Anthony Spencer

[RastaRocket]

We need to lock him up. Either this year or next I don't care. I like the idea of next year though. It sickens me to read oh it's just Spencer no big deal, we don't need him. Especially when all this forum does is whine about D Line and even bring up signing Freeney. You don't just "replace" Anthony Spencer.

 

[burmafrd]

We need to lock him up. Either this year or next I don't care. I like the idea of next year though. It sickens me to read oh it's just Spencer no big deal, we don't need him. Especially when all this forum does is whine about D Line and even bring up signing Freeney. You don't just "replace" Anthony Spencer.

other teams replace Spencer types all the time. The Giants have done very well finding DL. We just fail

 

[speedkilz88]

other teams replace Spencer types all the time. The Giants have done very well finding DL. We just fail

They didn't replace them they collected them. Big difference.

 

[gimmesix]

Spencer is ONLY 29. He is not old. He is coming off his best season and teamed with Ware form one of the best DE duos in the league. If you re-do his contract now, you instantly get 5-6m in salary cap relief. They can then roll that over to next year to practically eliminate his cap charge in 2014. Plus you get to eat 20% of his signing bonus this year. A 5/40m backloaded deal gets us 3 years a star DE and allows the team to draft another OL in the first next year.

I'd like him to prove he's a star DE before re-signing him.

Last year, he was a star OLB, but that doesn't mean it will translate to success for him in the 4-3.

If the price on DEs is similar in free agency to what it was this year, then I have no problem with Dallas re-signing Spencer then if he proves worthy of it.

 

[Hoofbite]

We need to lock him up. Either this year or next I don't care. I like the idea of next year though. It sickens me to read oh it's just Spencer no big deal, we don't need him. Especially when all this forum does is whine about D Line and even bring up signing Freeney. You don't just "replace" Anthony Spencer.

If they're going to lock him up, the sooner the better.

He's on the books for $10.6M. Even if he could get a contract that averages that much over the course of the deal, something like 5 years/$53M, no doubt his first year cap hit would be significantly lower than $10.6M.

If they're going to go longterm with him, they need to do it now.

I think they're still unsure of what they want to do. They probably want to see him produce from DE before committing longterm. I think they should crap or get off the pot.

Letting it drag out is doing nothing but letting cap space be held hostage.

 

[Corso]

If they're going to lock him up, the sooner the better.

He's on the books for $10.6M. Even if he could get a contract that averages that much over the course of the deal, something like 5 years/$53M, no doubt his first year cap hit would be significantly lower than $10.6M.

If they're going to go longterm with him, they need to do it now.

I think they're still unsure of what they want to do. They probably want to see him produce from DE before committing longterm. I think they should crap or get off the pot.

Letting it drag out is doing nothing but letting cap space be held hostage.

Although risky, I agree.

 

[RastaRocket]

If they're going to lock him up, the sooner the better.

He's on the books for $10.6M. Even if he could get a contract that averages that much over the course of the deal, something like 5 years/$53M, no doubt his first year cap hit would be significantly lower than $10.6M.

If they're going to go longterm with him, they need to do it now.

I think they're still unsure of what they want to do. They probably want to see him produce from DE before committing longterm. I think they should crap or get off the pot.

Letting it drag out is doing nothing but letting cap space be held hostage.

Makes sense to me. I was just saying next year for the other theory in this thread that he will be cheaper.

 

[RastaRocket]

other teams replace Spencer types all the time. The Giants have done very well finding DL. We just fail

Except it's hard to find a player as talented as Spencer.

 

[Nightman]

Sean Lee is more than a solid player. You do not have to undermine one player to sunshine pump another.

You call me a happy fan? I love Lee but he has a long way to go before he even rents a house in the 30m guaranteed neighborhood. QBs barely get that kind of money.

 

[Nightman]

I'd like him to prove he's a star DE before re-signing him.

Last year, he was a star OLB, but that doesn't mean it will translate to success for him in the 4-3.

If the price on DEs is similar in free agency to what it was this year, then I have no problem with Dallas re-signing Spencer then if he proves worthy of it.

It doesn't make any sense to wait on Spencer. If he proves capable, which he will, then you wasted 2 years of franchising him with no cap relief. If you sign him now you get 2 years for the price of one cap wise. Plus his price won't go down any farther than 8m per year it will cost to get it done this year. Starting DEs in their prime are not the type of players you just let go.

 

[RastaRocket]

It's funny how many people are pumping up Sean Lee and Carter. I love both of these guys but in terms of health and performance Spencer is the superior player. Yet people think Spencer is some replaceable JAG.

 

[Eskimo]

It doesn't make any sense to wait on Spencer. If he proves capable, which he will, then you wasted 2 years of franchising him with no cap relief. If you sign him now you get 2 years for the price of one cap wise. Plus his price won't go down any farther than 8m per year it will cost to get it done this year. Starting DEs in their prime are not the type of players you just let go.

The problem is Spencer is now playing DE. He has all of one double digit sack year in his 6-year career. He has rarely truly beaten an OT quickly and cleanly for a sack. This may seem shocking given the amount of snaps he has taken as a DE over the past 6 years but he just doesn't beat OTs with any kind of consistency for sacks. If we paid him now I think we'll be sorry if he puts up another 4-6 sack year in 2013.

I really think we should be thinking of finding a young DL or two to add to the defense. Spencer is too old with too little history of production at the DE position for us to give a long-term deal. If 2012 was his 3rd year in the league and he was 26 years old it would make sense to extend him for 5 years. But at age 29 and coming off of a career season now is the worst possible time to extend him. We need youth and I'd rather pay extra for a 25-27 year old defense than pay Spencer in the 2014 offseason.

Ideally we get rid of Rat and Spencer after this year. I want to add one good young DL and draft one in the first round. I also hope we manage to get Hatcher extended for a reasonable amount assuming his skills translate to the new defense. It was a weak market for DLs and Seymour is still on the street. Hatcher has never had a mega-payday as his second contract coming off a rookie 3rd rounder deal was only 3 years for $6M. He may be extremely interested in collecting some upfront money right now versus the uncertainty to being out of the league next year or playing for $1-2M/yr on a short-term deal. He has never yet had a major sack year and has a history of being injured before 2011 which is why he didn't get many offers. I wonder if we could extend him for 3 years $12M?

Our DL for 2014:

Rookie Young vet FA Hatcher Ware

 

[Typhus]

10M SB for lee. Hahahahaha. You out yo damn mind

Lee will get roughly 30M in guaranteed money.

Winner winner Chicken dinner.!.

 

[Typhus]

The problem is Spencer is now playing DE. He has all of one double digit sack year in his 6-year career. He has rarely truly beaten an OT quickly and cleanly for a sack. This may seem shocking given the amount of snaps he has taken as a DE over the past 6 years but he just doesn't beat OTs with any kind of consistency for sacks. If we paid him now I think we'll be sorry if he puts up another 4-6 sack year in 2013.

I really think we should be thinking of finding a young DL or two to add to the defense. Spencer is too old with too little history of production at the DE position for us to give a long-term deal. If 2012 was his 3rd year in the league and he was 26 years old it would make sense to extend him for 5 years. But at age 29 and coming off of a career season now is the worst possible time to extend him. We need youth and I'd rather pay extra for a 25-27 year old defense than pay Spencer in the 2014 offseason.

Ideally we get rid of Rat and Spencer after this year. I want to add one good young DL and draft one in the first round. I also hope we manage to get Hatcher extended for a reasonable amount assuming his skills translate to the new defense. It was a weak market for DLs and Seymour is still on the street. Hatcher has never had a mega-payday as his second contract coming off a rookie 3rd rounder deal was only 3 years for $6M. He may be extremely interested in collecting some upfront money right now versus the uncertainty to being out of the league next year or playing for $1-2M/yr on a short-term deal. He has never yet had a major sack year and has a history of being injured before 2011 which is why he didn't get many offers. I wonder if we could extend him for 3 years $12M?

Our DL for 2014:

Rookie Young vet FA Hatcher Ware

I hear what your saying Eskimo, but at OLB up until now, in that scheme OLBs had 70 percent contain responsibility,, in coverage assignments for a large percentage of the snaps.

Finding Pass rushers in this league is and will always be as difficult as getting blue chip corners in this league, so I value that position even if its over payed.

Im looking forward to seeing how opposing OLs handle Kiffins pass rush more than I am Spencer lining up a little closer to some worried OL.

This DL has some flexability, probably more than some might see right now.

 

[burmafrd]

Except it's hard to find a player as talented as Spencer.

BULL. Its very hard if not all but impossible to replace WARE.

Spencer is nowhere near as hard to replace.

Especially when he was only really a top player ONE out of SIX YEARS.

 

[tantrix1969]

Let him turn 30 next year, play out the tag in 2013 and cut ties next year.

I don't want any part of Spencer long-term. This organization needs to learn how to cut ties with players a year or two early instead of a year or two late.

It's basically what's gotten them in cap you know what.

This.

 

[perrykemp]

BULL. Its very hard if not all but impossible to replace WARE.

Spencer is nowhere near as hard to replace.

Especially when he was only really a top player ONE out of SIX YEARS.

Spencer's career average is 5.4 sack per season.

Pretty good for a strong side 3-4 OLB, but not elite, especially for a 4-3 DE.

Spencer was pretty darn good against the run and controlling the TE -- now he is going to be asked to primarily a pass-rusher -- I'm not confident he can be an elite 4-3 DE... and elite is what he would need to be to be worth $10m/year.

 

[Idgit]

Spencer's career average is 5.4 sack per season.

Pretty good for a strong side 3-4 OLB, but not elite, especially for a 4-3 DE.

Spencer was pretty darn good against the run and controlling the TE -- now he is going to be asked to primarily a pass-rusher -- I'm not confident he can be an elite 4-3 DE... and elite is what he would need to be to be worth $10m/year.

He's not getting $10M/year anymore. I don't think so, at least.

Spencer's what he's always been: a good-to-very-good SOLB. We'll see how good he is at DE.

I imagine he'll get a deal that averages between $7-8M over the next four years, with some cosmetics built into it. Basically, what we probably should have given him 2 years ago.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I let Spencer play out the year on the tag and prove to me last year was not a fluke. He also is playing a different position, so why in the world would you give him a new contract before you see him play one down at his new position?


Lets say you have a cornerback that you want to move to safety, a position he has never played. The cornerback wants a brand new contract and cites his stats at CB to prove how valuable he is.

Do you just pay the guy? Or do you maybe see how he is going to play at safety before you back up the Brinks truck to his house? I personally would like to watch him play a couple of games at safety before I sign any contract........

But maybe that's just me.

 

[TheSport78]

I let Spencer play out the year on the tag and prove to me last year was not a fluke. He also is playing a different position, so why in the world would you give him a new contract before you see him play one down at his new position?


Lets say you have a cornerback that you want to move to safety, a position he has never played. The cornerback wants a brand new contract and cites his stats at CB to prove how valuable he is.

Do you just pay the guy? Or do you maybe see how he is going to play at safety before you back up the Brinks truck to his house? I personally would like to watch him play a couple of games at safety before I sign any contract........

But maybe that's just me.

This is just me, but even if Spencer has 15+ sacks, I'm not signing him to a long term deal.