Any chance of Patrick Willis falling?

[Spectre]

Just enough so we can make a reasonable trade up for him?

This guy is awesome and we could use an up and coming star at ILB.

I can dream can't I?

 

[vicjagger]

This computer generated mock agrees with you:

http://www.drafttek.com/firstround.html

 

[Spectre]

Sweet.

But it also says that DAL getting Willis at 22 is the highest value pick in the round.

That doesn't bode well for the liklihood of him falling.

 

[sago1]

Loved that mock draft predicating we take Willis but it also offered the possibility that both CB Chris Houston and WR Robert Meacham would be available. So which is our biggest need cause I suspect they all share about equal value. James didn't play as well as he should have last year so do we want Willis to replace him?; Meacham could be our #1 WR in 08 cause I don't think Jerry brings back TO in 08 and do either Austin or Hurd show enough to be our #1? As for Houston, Aaron Glenn turns 35 & Chris Henry 31 this year and we only offered backups Reeves/Jones minimum tender showing we don't see eithe as our future starters? So which one is best bet to become quality player vs our biggest need? her of them. Your call!!

 

[Hostile]

Just enough so we can make a reasonable trade up for him?

This guy is awesome and we could use an up and coming star at ILB.

I can dream can't I?

He is one of 3 players at 22 I would love to get.

 

[dwmyers]

Just enough so we can make a reasonable trade up for him?

This guy is awesome and we could use an up and coming star at ILB.

I can dream can't I?

The fan group talking most about getting Willis are the Panther's fans. They need a weakside linebacker, and Dan Morgan is often injured. Willis could fill two needs at once; the immediate need for a WLB, and the long term need for Dan Morgan's eventual replacement.

If he gets past 14, then it's a crapshoot. Often in my mocks he falls to Dallas.

David.

 

[Hostile]

The fan group talking most about getting Willis are the Panther's fans. They need a weakside linebacker, and Dan Morgan is often injured. Willis could fill two needs at once; the immediate need for a WLB, and the long term need for Dan Morgan's eventual replacement.

If he gets past 14, then it's a crapshoot. Often in my mocks he falls to Dallas.

David.

Willis is an ILB, they should look at Posluzny, Timmons, or Spencer for WOLB.

 

[jobberone]

I think you're right Hos. Willis is a pure ILB. He does not project to an OLB and has problems in coverage. He's a great kid. He would be a great value pick at 22. I agree his position is not a great value pick for us in this draft.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

What position do you guys think Dallas will go in the first?

DB: With Houston, Ross, Nelson, or Meriweather being avl.

WR: With Meachem, Jarrett, or Ginn being avl.

Or another position possible like RB, OL, LB or DL.

I just feel that it will most likely be DB or WR to start to prepare for the future with some younger talent.

Although I wouldn't be shocked if Dallas did indeed trade down for more picks, I just don't think they will this year.

 

[lspain1]

I think you're right Hos. Willis is a pure ILB. He does not project to an OLB and has problems in coverage. He's a great kid. He would be a great value pick at 22. I agree his position is not a great value pick for us in this draft.

With the problems James had last season and the loss of Fowler, can you really say the position has low value? I'm not sure you can. With the 2006 version of our annual December collapse, it looks like a position that deserves scrutiny.

 

[jobberone]

I think Dallas will go FS, CB, WR, NT or pass rusher.

We are in good position to grab someone who can start for us.

There is no reason we can't have a good draft unless we reach too much.

 

[jobberone]

With the problems James had last season and the loss of Fowler, can you really say the position has low value? I'm not sure you can. With the 2006 version of our annual December collapse, it looks like a position that deserves scrutiny.

If I told you this guy is as good and probably better than Bradie James in rush defense would you draft him at 22? If I told you he was as good and no better than Bradie James in pass coverage would you spend your number 22?

That's what I'm getting at.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

With the problems James had last season and the loss of Fowler, can you really say the position has low value? I'm not sure you can. With the 2006 version of our annual December collapse, it looks like a position that deserves scrutiny.

Do you think that with Wade teaching him, he can improve?

 

[dwmyers]

Willis is an ILB, they should look at Posluzny, Timmons, or Spencer for WOLB.

They had him playing Sam at the Senior Bowl. He's done more than ILB. Further, the Panthers have a fragile oft injured MLB. This is a potential "kill two birds" scenario.

David.

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

I guess that I would like to see Ross @ 22. If Henry can still play FS, we would kill two birds with one stone. Have youth at the CB position and have an experienced FS for a few years to groom Watkins even more. And then if AGlenn moves on next year, Henry can play CB with Watkins @ FS on those packages.

Then grab a WR elsewhere in this years draft.

Thoughts?

 

[dwmyers]

If I told you this guy is as good and probably better than Bradie James in rush defense would you draft him at 22? If I told you he was as good and no better than Bradie James in pass coverage would you spend your number 22?

That's what I'm getting at.

I think it all revolves around Wade and how he intends to use his ILBs. Word is that Willis is an excellent blitzer, even if he hasn't done it much. Word also is that he could be much better than he is, because he isn't playing to his best because of poor technique.

Technique is correctable.

I'll mention again, Dallas's single biggest need is an inside pass rush. That's not a need that's focused on a single position. It could come from DE, NT, or ILB.

David.

 

[jobberone]

I think it all revolves around Wade and how he intends to use his ILBs. Word is that Willis is an excellent blitzer, even if he hasn't done it much. Word also is that he could be much better than he is, because he isn't playing to his best because of poor technique.

Technique is correctable.

I'll mention again, Dallas's single biggest need is an inside pass rush. That's not a need that's focused on a single position. It could come from DE, NT, or ILB.

David.

I agree a pass rush is equally as needful as a FS is. If they go pass rush in one and FS/CB in two that's ok with me. But please address the problem and throw players at it as well as coaching and schemes. There is no reason not to address it. There are five good safeties out there and we should be able to get one in the first 45 picks.

We need another NT and an ILB who can cover. I am convinced that pass rush and FS are a much greater problem this year.

Do you think that James and Dallas blowing coverages on a no name FB is as great a problem than getting burned so often and at the same time not being able to play Roy Williams closer to the LOS much more often than last year?



PS: Got to go to church.

 

[big dog cowboy]

trade up

Sorry dude. I stopped reading right there.

 

[dwmyers]

I agree a pass rush is equally as needful as a FS is. If they go pass rush in one and FS/CB in two that's ok with me. But please address the problem and throw players at it as well as coaching and schemes. There is no reason not to address it. There are five good safeties out there and we should be able to get one in the first 45 picks.

We need another NT and an ILB who can cover. I am convinced that pass rush and FS are a much greater problem this year.

Do you think that James and Dallas blowing coverages on a no name FB is as great a problem than getting burned so often and at the same time not being able to play Roy Williams closer to the LOS much more often than last year?



PS: Got to go to church.

Well, I personally have no issues throwing first round money at one of the three best safeties. I don't think FS is as big an issue as pass rush, but the top three strike me as elite athletes. The question then becomes, is this still a Parcells rule draft (i.e. no first round safeties) and will one of the top three even be around?

At DT, we have Amobi Okoye (gone by #10), Alan Branch (falling maybe, but probably gone by 15), and Tank Tyler (1st - 4th round, depending on source, with character issues). Tank has a pass rushing burst but I'm with silverbear here; I don't want Tank in the first.

Outside of Jarvis Moss, the elite pass rushing defensive ends are gone by pick 15. So will Jarvis be gone too?

Now at OLB, there are possibilities through the the heart of the draft. Someone was talking about Zac DeOssie, but Zac et al aren't first round choices, and that's the outside rush, not inside. (Zac, btw, has me pumped we could get some outside pass rush in rounds 2-4).

So you're left by elimination with ILB and with Willis, who is by all accounts an excellent blitzer. I can't say he's an obvious fit, but he's no worse a fit than drafting, say, a CB with the idea of moving Henry to FS, and a better fit than drafting a WR into our strongest position.

Anyway, do enough of this and you can appreciate Jerry Jones saying they'll be looking at BPA at position 22.

David.

 

[Avery]

I'm not quite as high as others here on Willis, but I'm betting he'll go somewhere in the second tier simply because he's the best ILB in an otherwise weak crop. I don't think we'll be served up the choice come #22.

That being said, it's also a good possibility that he'll be a better pro than collegiate player.