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By Michael Smith
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Based on ability, durability, longevity, statistics and, most important, team success, Brett Favre, to me, is the best quarterback ever. That's just one (young) man's opinion.

The impossible happened Sunday. My opinion of Favre grew.

At 35 years old and in his 14th season, Favre has nothing left to prove. But he keeps doing things the right way. His Packers didn't show up for Sunday's supposed showdown with Philadelphia, while the Eagles proved in the 47-17 rout that they are, lest there were any remaining doubts, not only the class of the NFC but also in a different class than the rest of the conference.

Favre, though, showed something in the loss. As a matter of fact he exhibited a few things -- class, professionalism and perspective.

Favre failed to throw a touchdown pass for the first time in 37 games, a streak dating to Oct. 20, 2002. He fell 11 games short of tying Johnny Unitas' league record of 47 consecutive games with a touchdown pass. The Eagles' defense did a fabulous job against Favre, limiting him to 14-of-29 passing and 131 yards and picking him off twice. For that, Philly should be commended. But it shouldn't be credited for snapping the streak. Favre should. He deserves credit for that.

With the Packers trailing by 44 and about 11 minutes left, Favre, football's iron man, grabbed some pine. He gave way to backup Craig Nall, who threw two touchdown passes in the fourth quarter. If he wanted, Favre could have stayed in until he tossed a touchdown. Up more than six touchdowns, the Eagles kept Donovan McNabb in into the fourth quarter. But the only record that mattered to Favre was 7-5, the Packers' mark after the loss.

For Favre, there was nothing to gain by playing the final meaningless minutes. So he sat, and in the process gained even more respect.

"I've never really bought into records," Favre said last week. "Maybe when I was young, the opportunity to either break an idol's records or a big-time player's records had some meaning to it. But as I've gotten older, I've come to realize that the only reason they keep track of records is so someone else can break them."

Unitas' 47-game run from 1956-60 is football's "56," as in Joe DiMaggio's major-league record of consecutive games with a hit. Both are considered unbreakable, but Johnny U's record may last longer than Joe D's. Nowadays it's an accomplishment for some quarterbacks to start 47 games in a row, let alone through a touchdown in every one of them. Sunday we saw just how easy it is for such a streak to end.

What was the second-longest active streak, 18 games with a scoring pass by St. Louis' Marc Bulger, also ended Sunday. Minnesota's Daunte Culpepper is now in the lead with a TD toss in 17 straight contests. I could see someone like Culpepper or Peyton Manning, who's on a 13-game run and looks like he'll never again throw only one touchdown pass, making a run at the record. It's definitely a marathon.

It certainly makes one appreciate the greatness of Unitas, who played in the days of 12-game seasons and went almost the equivalent of four full seasons without being shut out. He led the league in touchdown passes four years straight from 1957-60, also a record.

The greater of Favre's historic streaks is over. His record of 201 (and counting) consecutive regular-season starts will probably fall before a quarterback throws a touchdown in close to 40 straight games. Even the most prolific passer in league history, Dan Marino, could only get to 30. Manning reached 27 over his first two seasons.

Favre throwing a touchdown pass in every game for two and a quarter seasons is more impressive to me than him simply starting every game for the past 13 seasons. The consecutive starts streak is as much about good fortune as it is Favre's toughness. Throwing a touchdown week in and week out is a product of just being plain good. Manning and McNabb make it look easy a lot of times, but throwing a touchdown pass is far from it.

The streak was fun to watch while it lasted. In a sense, it ended on Favre's terms, like Cal Ripken sitting after 2,632. Favre is too good to pad stats in garbage time. He walked away from a fight is what he did. It probably didn't feel very good to do so, but it was the right thing to do.

Why is Favre still doing it after all these years? Certainly not to break records, more of which he'll own if he plays a few more years.

"I'm fortunate to have played the game at a high level for a long time," Favre said last week. "Because of that, numbers have been put up. But when all is said and done, you'll be remembered by wins and losses."

McNabb threw for 464 yards and five touchdowns. He'll be remembered as the best quarterback at Lincoln Financial Field on Dec. 5, 2004. That he was. But not by much.
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Favre is great, I'm not disputing that at all.

But I'm having a hard time figuring out why Favre's sack is getting licked after this game. It's hilarious how the media ALWAYS finds something to praise about the guy.

Favre took himself out of the game in the 4th with the game well in hand. If this was a player the media didn't like, the spin on it would be that this player quit on his team early and didn't play for pride the entire way.

But since it's Brett Favre, they spin it to make him look like a God...for taking himself out of a game that he's losing by 44? Whoa Brett, you never cease to amaze me! :rolleyes:

If Favre played the entire way and scored 3 TDs in the 4th quarter to make the score closer, this article would be clamoring at how much of a competitor he is for not quitting no matter what the score was.

I can picture this....
"He loves the game too much to stop competing, no matter what the score was. He showed how great of a leader he is, and how much heart he has by going 100% for 60 minutes, the way all players should. Brett, we salute you!"

And can't you just picture an article bashing Peyton Manning if he were to play deep into the 4th quarter and throw an extra 2 TDs, if the Colts were getting blown out?

Hey...in high school, I went to school everyday for a full 3 years, then I finally ditched a class halfway thru flunking a final! Where's my praise??? After all, my streak ended on "my own terms" too!
 

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I think in every game I've seen GB play Brett Favre has throw at least 1 INT. Maybe I've seen him on a bad day but I've seen quite a few of these bad days over the years. Yep he's the media darling and it's quite sickening.
 

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right now, he may very well be the best QB ever....it's hard to dispute.

soon, they may be talking the same way about Manning.
 

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Not only is he not the best ever - he's not the best in the game today.
 

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For my offensive philosophy he is better than any Qb I've ever seen, meaning I never got to really see Tarkenton, Staubach, or Unitas.
 

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Clay_Allison said:
For my offensive philosophy he is better than any Qb I've ever seen, meaning I never got to really see Tarkenton, Staubach, or Unitas.

He wasn't better than Marino - he wasn't better than Elway. He wasn't better than Unitas. I'm more impressed with Peyton Manning at this point.

Favre is an alltime great - no doubt - but he is NOT the best ever.
 

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Sarge said:
He wasn't better than Marino - he wasn't better than Elway. He wasn't better than Unitas. I'm more impressed with Peyton Manning at this point.

Favre is an alltime great - no doubt - but he is NOT the best ever.


Even though I dislike Montana for what he did to us :mad: he's still better than Farve.
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
Even though I dislike Montana for what he did to us :mad: he's still better than Farve.

That's a close call with me. Montana was part an awesome machine. Arguments can certainly be made either way. I'm not sure Montana could have accomplished what he did with the 9ers with the talent Favre has had in GB. Close call.
 

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Sarge said:
He wasn't better than Marino - he wasn't better than Elway. He wasn't better than Unitas. I'm more impressed with Peyton Manning at this point.

Favre is an alltime great - no doubt - but he is NOT the best ever.

See, like I said, for my philosophy.

I would like to throw the ball as little as possible, with the passing game where I'd go for big plays. Favre has been the #1 playmaker at the QB position over the time I've been watching football, the ultimate gunslinger.
 

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I do indeed think Favre is one of the best....I think manning is the best playing right now.

However Favre reminds me of marino.

He is a gunslinger and will always be a gun slinger. He does or has done some things better then Marino and he does other things worse then Marino.

I love the passion that Favre has played with over the years.

I do indeed get tired of Madden having some sort of old man/ middle age love for Favre that is so intense that even when the packers are not playing on MNF madden still has to mention Favre at least once during the game.

Listen for it tonight...he will either talk about Favre's bad game yesterday or he will make a comparison to a play or player to Favre during the game.

Back to main point...Favre is much better then many wish to give him credit for being...he really is.

But at the same time I do not think he is worth all of the man love that some give him.

He is not the best QB to ever play the game...but he will be remembered as ONE of the best to have ever played the game whether people like the idea or not. :cool:
 
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