Arbitrator found NFL encouraged teams to collude regarding guaranteed contracts

[Vtwin]

No guaranteed contracts .
Terrible.

Over the last two contracts Dak has had 326 million of his potential 400 million guaranteed.

Ceedee has 100 million of his 136 million guaranteed.

I don't know how they get by.
Terrible.

 

[kskboys]

Over the last two contracts Dak has had 326 million of his potential 400 million guaranteed.

Ceedee has 100 million of his 136 million guaranteed.

I don't know how they get by.
Terrible.

Think about it objectively. A player gets 200 million guaranteed. And fans are moaning and crying about the 22 million that's not guaranteed? This is how sick our society has become.

 

[Vtwin]

Think about it objectively. A player gets 200 million guaranteed. And fans are moaning and crying about the 22 million that's not guaranteed? This is how sick our society has become.

I don't know about you but I've never been guaranteed a salary, nor have I ever been free to use my employer's platform to publicly protest anything, much less a controversial issue that tugs the heartstrings of the majority of my employer's customers. I've also never felt abused or slighted because of either of those. Fundamental common sense kept me from the tantrums some are throwing.

 

[dragon_mikal]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...ams-to-collude-regarding-guaranteed-contracts


I don't know if this has been posted, but sounds like there's potential collusion in the NFL regarding contracts. I think this is probably well known anyway, or, at least, largely suspected. But here's a development that has come out this week.

Shocking.

 

[conner01]

And I'm totally against them as well,and I'm not even a billionaire..​

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I think you're right, I think it gives players less incentives to play when they're dinged up or they can come back earlier from injury or fake injuries, and take games off....​

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I mean they're already getting money, so who cares how they perform..​

I'm all for players getting their money and haven't they got more money?? I believe two things have happened guaranteed money has gone up their percentage of their contract that's guaranteed and two have we not noticed that these players are no longer asking for just being paid top 5 at their position, they've become super greedy they want to be the highest paid skill player in the league, or the highest paid quarterback in the league.. they're pushing their salaries way up and way above their actual production, a lot of these players don't deserve these contracts.​

Once you start that path down the road now you've opened up a big can of worms, because a lot of players are now way overpaid for what they actually do on the field or for how much they can or can't carry their teams.

Going through that right now with parsons,

sure I think he should get about $36 million a year, he is definitely a top five at his position, but in my opinion he is not worth paying the top skilled contract, you know being the highest paid non quarterback contract in the league, that's getting old for me to even hear because a lot of these players are just not living up to those contracts.

Hell, I'm all 4 structures if they want to give them just say for instance Micah Parsons agrees to $35 million base salary with Say 30 million of it guaranteed, they can structure it that way but if he really wants $42 million then that other seven million needs to be earned by playing time, by being the top at your field each year, meaning you're going to have to earn some of those millions by being the sack leader, and then how many sacks in playoff games you play in ,all those bonuses should end up giving you maximum but you shouldn't just automatically have it handed to you...​

So, I'm sure there's some middle ground here on how you can get players more money more guaranteed money but instead of him being fully guaranteed you can earn more of it, but you just can't be handed it.... There're all kinds of escalators that can be built into contracts that can motivate players to earn that extra 6-$8 million, they may want, and then I'm sure it the owners will be happy to give it to him if they've actually earned it.....

Staying with Parsons has he ever led the league in sacks, Has he had a moment in the playoffs to where he actually took over a game and willed that defense and carry the offense, like say don't worry we got you, if you can give us 12 points today, we'll win the game..

you show us when he does that and I'll give him another 5 million.. I've seen players like that in this league before they're truly elite like Ray Lewis and LT I bet we even seen michael strahan do it but I have yet to see parsons do it...

The Thing that drives me nuts is about him saying in the offseason that he wasn't looking for more than 40 million he wasn't looking to be the highest paid skill player in the league and now all of a sudden he is looking for that that's just makes me think that's why Jerry doesn't like his representation he doesn't like his agent I think his agent pushed Parsons into threatening to hold out if he doesn't get paid top money instead of Reasonable amounts of money...

I don’t blame players for getting all they can. I just don’t think total guaranteed contracts are way too risky. Generally because of structure and player knows how long he’s gonna be there, Atleast within a year or so, if there is a huge year the year after your guaranteed portion ends, you are likely to be cut

 

[KingCorcoran]

That’s terrible in itself….a rookie who never played a down has a guaranteed contract but a 10 year pro doesn’t except Watson lol?

The agreement is their business? Huh lol? Fans are why the league is functioning. You don’t have to care I get it. But yes I don’t have to relate to them in order for them to want more. They deserve a better CBA. Some of them are willing to fight it we’ve seen it from guys like Richard Sherman. Just not enough are as strong and smart as he is.

Well, Watson got $230 million guaranteed, Dak $231 million guaranteed, Allen $250 million guaranteed. All of them agreed to their deals. They didn’t have to sign. No other player does, either. I’m going to guess those three will never vote to strike.

There’s still first round draft picks, who would get guaranteed contracts, that have thus far refused to sign. 30 2nd rounders, including Eze, have not signed hoping to garner guaranteed deals. The players deserve what they agree to. So do the owners. This is still the United States of America. Right?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well, Watson got $230 million guaranteed, Dak $231 million guaranteed, Allen $250 million guaranteed. All of them agreed to their deals. They didn’t have to sign. No other player does, either. I’m going to guess those three will never vote to strike.

There’s still first round draft picks, who would get guaranteed contracts, that have thus far refused to sign. 30 2nd rounders, including Eze, have not signed hoping to garner guaranteed deals. The players deserve what they agree to. So do the owners. This is still the United States of America. Right?

think this is getting off track. I said the CBA sucks and they should do better. You’re arguing about what they are owed….obviously if they sign the CBA they get whatever they get. I’m saying they should fight for better. Being the biggest sport in the country and having a worse CBA then then WNBA is downright embarrassing….

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don’t blame players for getting all they can. I just don’t think total guaranteed contracts are way too risky. Generally because of structure and player knows how long he’s gonna be there, Atleast within a year or so, if there is a huge year the year after your guaranteed portion ends, you are likely to be cut

Guaranteed contracts are risky for who though?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I don't know about you but I've never been guaranteed a salary, nor have I ever been free to use my employer's platform to publicly protest anything, much less a controversial issue that tugs the heartstrings of the majority of my employer's customers. I've also never felt abused or slighted because of either of those. Fundamental common sense kept me from the tantrums some are throwing.

Nobody gives two shakes about you though.

 

[CATCH17]

Dashawn Watson’s guaranteed contract opened Pandora’s box. The NFL has always controlled the contracts of players. I am shocked that Mahomes has not passed Dak in salary this offseason.

He’s interested in winning titles.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He’s interested in winning titles.

If he is why doesn't he just play for free?

 

[kskboys]

If he is why doesn't he just play for free?

Non sequitar. Does not follow. Not sure what point you're trying to make here, but it doesn't appear to be a logical one. Why would any NFL player play for free? And what does more guaranteed money on a contract have to do w/ signing a contract that the team can work w/ to build a super bowl contende?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Non sequitar. Does not follow. Not sure what point you're trying to make here, but it doesn't appear to be a logical one. Why would any NFL player play for free? And what does more guaranteed money on a contract have to do w/ signing a contract that the team can work w/ to build a super bowl contende?

I don’t mean literally play for free I mean sign for the vet minimum if it’s all about winning titles? Because it’s not lol.

 

[CATCH17]

If he is why doesn't he just play for free?

If he is why doesn't he just play for free?

He doesn’t need to.

Hes the best QB in football and plays for 45 million a year where as Dak is between the 6-12th best QB depending on our matchup and he makes more than anyone in football annually.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He doesn’t need to.

Hes the best QB in football and plays for 45 million a year where as Dak is between the 6-12th best QB depending on our matchup and he makes more than anyone in football annually.

Funny thing is though in 2025 Chiefs will pay 50 million and Cowboys will pay Dak 47 million….but one has a cap hit of 28 million and one has a cap hit of 52 million….Dak can be blamed for a lot of things but contract structure and cap mismanagement is not on him.