Arbitrator Harold Henderson is a rubber stamp

[lostar2009]

The question is will the NFL's rubber stamp see reason and see that a judge has already overruled him, and that he should proceed based on that ruling or will he act in his position as a rubber stamp and simply uphold the suspension?

They going to stick it Hardy again. I forgot they originally gave him 10 games.

 

[Nightman]

likely maximum

Precedence shows players have gotten as many as 3 for first time domestic violence, and I don't think there is hard fast rule regarding this, as Judge Jones said an indefinite suspension would have been upheld by her in the case of Rice if it were the initial suspension.

So you arguing just to argue.

Doty clearly overturned Peterson's suspension from 6 to 2 and ruled the League couldn't use the new policy against old cases, which would include Rice, Peterson and Hardy.

He specifically cited the the likely maximum of 2 games. Maximum means the most. Please cite the precedence for the 3 games for DV because no one else has provided that info.

 

[tyke1doe]

Many players come back from injury and play fine, coming back from not being injured is much easier. He has a full offseason and training camp and preseason.

I'm just sharing what others have said. I assume they know what they're talking about. But, hey, it's not a big deal to me. If Hardy can go after a 10-game suspension, great.

APs suspension wasn't overturned, the arbitrator's ruling was overturned.

But wasn't the ruling that he (Peterson) had to serve a six-game suspension and his argument was that he only had to serve two according to the NFL's policy at the time of his action?

The crux of the issue was the application of the enhanced personal conduct policy, increasing a suspension for players involved with domestic violence from two games to six games. Because that was implemented after the injuries occurred to Peterson's son, delivered by a wooden switch that Peterson was using for discipline, the union contended that the prior standard of punishment should apply.

If this is the case, then it seems to me he's overruling the length of the suspension. Correct me where I'm wrong.

 

[Galian Beast]

So you arguing just to argue.

Doty clearly overturned Peterson's suspension from 6 to 2 and ruled the League couldn't use the new policy against old cases, which would include Rice, Peterson and Hardy.

He specifically cited the the likely maximum of 2 games. Maximum means the most. Please cite the precedence for the 3 games for DV because no one else has provided that info.

Please learn how to read, I repeat Doty did NOT overturn the suspension, he kicked it back to the arbitrator. Peterson's suspension went from 6 games to 0 games, because the NFL while appealing the Doty ruling decided to reinstate Peterson rather than go back into arbitration.

Pittman was suspended 4 games for domestic violence in 2004.

 

[Galian Beast]

I'm just sharing what others have said. I assume they know what they're talking about. But, hey, it's not a big deal to me. If Hardy can go after a 10-game suspension, great.



But wasn't the ruling that he (Peterson) had to serve a six-game suspension and his argument was that he only had to serve two according to the NFL's policy at the time of his action?



If this is the case, then it seems to me he's overruling the length of the suspension. Correct me where I'm wrong.

Doty said that the arbitrator failed in his duties in Peterson's appeal. Rather than re arbitrate, they NFL re-instated Peterson's suspension, though for the future they are appealing Doty's decision.

Did you see the NFL decide instead of 6 games he should face 2? No... He was reinstated completely.

 

[khiladi]

I can already tell how this is going to go down.................Brady, the league's poster boy, gets his suspension reduced to a slap on the wrist and Hardy's suspension is rubber stamped by one of the biggest pro league arbitrators there is.

Everybody pretty much hates Brady and the Patriots outside Boston. It's a testimony to Kraft's ties to CBS that the Pats are constantly in our faces all day as the league darlings.

 

[tyke1doe]

Doty said that the arbitrator failed in his duties in Peterson's appeal. Rather than re arbitrate, they NFL re-instated Peterson's suspension, though for the future they are appealing Doty's decision.

Did you see the NFL decide instead of 6 games he should face 2? No... He was reinstated completely.

But was he reinstated based on the ruling? And is it your opinion had the ruling not come he would have been suspended for six games?

 

[speedkilz88]

Please learn how to read, I repeat Doty did NOT overturn the suspension, he kicked it back to the arbitrator. Peterson's suspension went from 6 games to 0 games, because the NFL while appealing the Doty ruling decided to reinstate Peterson rather than go back into arbitration.

Pittman was suspended 4 games for domestic violence in 2004.

Pittman was suspended 3 games and it was not his first suspension which is why it was more than 2.

 

[Stash]

Please learn how to read, I repeat Doty did NOT overturn the suspension, he kicked it back to the arbitrator. Peterson's suspension went from 6 games to 0 games, because the NFL while appealing the Doty ruling decided to reinstate Peterson rather than go back into arbitration.

Pittman was suspended 4 games for domestic violence in 2004.

Perhaps, you should 'learn how to read' too? Pittman got 3 games, not 4.

And that was after his prior 1 game suspension too.

Any other apples you'd like to compare to these oranges?

Maybe before giving everyone the know-it-all routine, you should, actually 'know'?

 

[Galian Beast]

So you arguing just to argue.

Doty clearly overturned Peterson's suspension from 6 to 2 and ruled the League couldn't use the new policy against old cases, which would include Rice, Peterson and Hardy.

He specifically cited the the likely maximum of 2 games. Maximum means the most. Please cite the precedence for the 3 games for DV because no one else has provided that info.

Again, I will lay out what doty said for you word by word.

"Because the court finds that the arbitration award must be
vacated on the grounds set forth above, it need not decide whether

Henderson was evidently partial or whether the award violates

fundamental fairness. The court will remand the matter for further

proceedings before the arbitrator as permitted by the CBA. See U.S.
Postal Serv. v. Am. Postal Workers Union, AFL-CIO, 907 F. Supp. 2d
986, 995 (D. Minn. 2012) (holding that the appropriate remedy on

vacatur is to remand the case for further arbitration proceedings

consistent with the CBA)."

 

[Galian Beast]

Perhaps, you should 'learn how to read' too? Pittman got 3 games, not 4.

And that was after his prior 1 game suspension too.

Any other apples you'd like to compare to these oranges?

Maybe before giving everyone the know-it-all routine, you should, actually 'know'?

Sorry I meant 3. That was a typo.

 

[ConstantReboot]

A part of the logic in giving Hardy 10 games was that the league said Hardy struck the girl 4 times (?) and, therefore, said 4 instances of DV occurred (if I understand the story correctly). Nowhere else, to my knowledge, has the league ever done that...they sure didn't say Brady cheated 11 times based on the number of balls that were deflated. The league's logic in determining guilt/doling out punishment is very inconsistent, to put it lightly. If I'm Hardy, I take the league to court if my suspension is any longer than 2 games. If I lose, I lose. However, I think there's a very great chance that he wins. I believe the reward far outweighs the risk, here. JMO

Totally agree here. Hardy was charged with the same offense as Brady. Yet why does Brady carry a much lenient penalty and his seems overly severe based on other similar cases.

Hardy should take it to court. Especially if Brady gets away scout free with nothing more than a slap in his hand. If thats the case he would have a very good chance of winning. Not a slam dunk but his odds would be in his favor.

As for the comment that Hardy should issue an apology, I don't think so. If he truly believes that he isn't guilty and the courts could not prove otherwise, then he should not have to issue an apology.

Heck, Brady is still saying he didn't cheat. Evidence that he did are there open to the public to see. Yet he hasn't even admitted to what he did was wrong.

Thus I believe that Hardy has a strong case to bring this to court and push the NFL for at least a two game suspension.

 

[Galian Beast]

But was he reinstated based on the ruling? And is it your opinion had the ruling not come he would have been suspended for six games?

He was reinstated because the NFL had to go back to arbitration, and they realized they had no grounds for further suspension. Which isn't the same thing as the Judge deciding that.

Which is why it is puzzling that they felt they could suspend Hardy for not just 6 games, but actually 10 games.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

A neutral arbitrator would completely overturn it? Doubtful. Aside from losing the potential for future income - something that is more about being a woman beating POS than having missed 15 games (all paid) last year, he's not been penalized.

Y'all need to stop painting Hardy as the victim here.

And you need to stop painting Hardy as a women beater

 

[LandryFan]

Totally agree here. Hardy was charged with the same offense as Brady. Yet why does Brady carry a much lenient penalty and his seems overly severe based on other similar cases.

Hardy should take it to court. Especially if Brady gets away scout free with nothing more than a slap in his hand. If thats the case he would have a very good chance of winning. Not a slam dunk but his odds would be in his favor.

As for the comment that Hardy should issue an apology, I don't think so. If he truly believes that he isn't guilty and the courts could not prove otherwise, then he should not have to issue an apology.

Heck, Brady is still saying he didn't cheat. Evidence that he did are there open to the public to see. Yet he hasn't even admitted to what he did was wrong.

Thus I believe that Hardy has a strong case to bring this to court and push the NFL for at least a two game suspension.

Agreed. I don't want to make this into what Hardy did or didn't do post, but if I understood the sketchy/contradictory info that that has been printed on his situation, the girl in question was high on something at the time, couldn't get her story straight from one interview to the next, and that Hardy is the one who called police when the girl wouldn't leave. I don't know for sure if all, any, or none of that is true, but I personally believe it to be true. Given that, I believe Hardy's suspension to be way out of whack. He should get two games for being stupid enough to associate with a coke head. If he truly beat a defenseless woman because he was being a bully and a coward, then I have no sympathy for him...that said, I don't believe that to be the case. Others will have a far different opinion, and that's fine with me...they're entitled to it. Just my good-for-nothing take.

 

[Stash]

Sorry I meant 3. That was a typo.

Nobody's perfect.

 

[Galian Beast]

If it goes to court, I don't see how Doty ultimately accepts any suspension longer than 2 games for Hardy, and I don't know if he will accept that the exempt list isn't already a punishment.

The issue however is if the NFL charges that Jones stated that there was no maximum punishment in her ruling. It will be whether Doty accepts that or accepts the precedence of past discipline.

That's why a favorable settlement is desired, but a neutral arbitrator would have been best.

 

[Galian Beast]

If Henderson is a proper arbitrator he will accept Doty's decision despite the fact that the NFL is currently appealing it.

If I'm Hardy's defense team, I would ask why Peterson was not suspended after Doty kicked it back to dutiful arbitration.

It's because the decision was pretty clear that the punishment could not be based on new rules, and that it should be in line with past discipline.

If that is the case the "likely" maximum would be two games.

If the NFLPA is smart they will also appeal time served under the exempt list in their appeal to the Courts.

It'll be very interesting to see what Henderson does in the next couple weeks.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I think the nfl put it high at 10 games expecting an appeal. So im sure they expect 6 games to stick.

 

[Galian Beast]

I think the nfl put it high at 10 games expecting an appeal. So im sure they expect 6 games to stick.

I think they put it at 10 games hoping Hardy would take a settlement. I fully expect Henderson to ignore Doty's ruling and in lieu of a settlement he will rubber stamp the NFL's suspension of Hardy at 10 games.

Hardy will then take it to court, and ultimately Doty will likely rule that the suspension isn't in standing with the CBA. Ultimately Hardy faces 2 games or less and the NFL says that Doty is the bad guy here.