Arbitrator Harold Henderson is a rubber stamp

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Thank you, that was a terrific breakdown & now that I'm fully up to speed, I'm more confused than ever, LOL!
What I mean is this makes no sence if you use the old rules then why the $&!? did they slap him with 10 Games????? Now I see why people are thinking conspiracy &/or that the 10 games were in hope of making sure his appeal still gets him like 6 games. I guess I'm just baffled! I realize the "Commish" is grasping at straws but I have a hard time believing that he can take a strong stance with the conduct policy, which he did but if Hardy's (Infraction) you know the one that has been dismissed in the court of public opinion, occurred during the "Old" conduct policy, how does that freakin merit a 10 game suspension?????

The NFLs argument is that under the old rules there was no maximum punishment and that given the multiple instances of violence alleged in this case, that they felt 10 games was appropriate. It was obvious and clear ******** to make it sound like regardless of the law, they were going to put a better face on their response, but they are absolutely grasping at straws.

It's funny with how far they went out of the realm of sensibility.

I absolutely think they thought they could win this in arbitration and settle, especially given the timing of the NFL season.
 

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Abuse is abuse.

No, it's not. An isolated incident with no past history is not remotely the same as a repeat offender and there is a difference between grabbing someone and yelling and screaming as opposed to beating someone. You can think whatever you like but this country's laws as with most of the West are very clear on this.

It was a misdemeanor and he never hit her by any account. She was also being very provocative by all accounts throwing things at his head and the like which is also assault. I'm into actual equality instead of this false chivalry. Women should be held to the same standard as men. This condescension that women cannot hurt men and the free pass encourages all manner of stupidity.

I will paint him that way because that is what he is.

There is a special place in hell for men who behave that way (and for those who defend them)

I'm not sure what religion you are but if it's the one I think it is there is definite condemnation on judging the righteousness of anyone in place of God. Have fun with that.
 

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I guess I'm at a loss..... I now have to wonder if it's more likely that he ends up with a six game suspension OR it gets kicked back to "Be Determined" under the old policy, which would lead to possibly fewer than six games?

It has already been determined that a player can not be punished under the new policy, which is why the NFL claims to have been punishing Hardy under the old policy, it just doesn't hold water and Doty already said this. If the old policy was this punishing, why the need for a new policy? The NFL's precedence of punishment in the old policy speaks for itself.

Hardy won't face more than 2 games.
 
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So I've been reading through this thread & I have one more question.....
What is the general consensus all around, not just all of us as Cowboy's Fans but also from what people may have heard BUT do most folks think Hardy's going to get Six Games On Appeal OR Do most folks think that the entire thing will be kicked back & have to be determined under the "Old Policy" thereby leading to a much lesser suspension like 2 games?
I'm really just curios, obviously as a fan I'd like to see him in there ASAP but if you folks wouldn't mind what's the most likely outcome being projected?
Thanks in advance!
 

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Once again you seem to be having some difficulty reading.

Which part of this are you having difficutly with?

Because the court finds that the arbitration award must be vacated on the grounds set forth above, it need not decide whether Henderson was evidently partial or whether the award violates fundamental fairness. The court will remand the matter for further proceedings before the arbitrator as permitted by the CBA. See U.S. Postal Serv. v. Am. Postal Workers Union, AFL-CIO, 907 F. Supp. 2d 986, 995 (D. Minn. 2012) (holding that the appropriate remedy on vacatur is to remand the case for further arbitration proceedings consistent with the CBA).

It was the NFL that vacated the suspension NOT Doty. Doty sent the case back to arbitration. The reason why the NFLPA is claiming Goodell is in contempt is because he did not follow the instruction of the court, which was to take the case back to arbitration, and decided instead by himself to vacate the suspension. Why would the NFLPA be upset about this? Because this also impacts Hardy and sets precedence.

He vacated nothing. He simply said that the arbitrator had to follow the rules in coming to a conclusion on what the punishment would be, and in doing so would have to use the previous policy and also be in line with the punishment Ray Rice received.

Are you serious? It clearly says he ordered the suspension to be vacated. He told the League they must follow the CBA rule that was in place at the time of the incident. The new likely suspension was maxed at 2 games going by the previous policy.

The NFL has yet to act on that court order but they had to re-instate Peterson because he served his time already. Whether the appeal of Doty's ruling is successful or not Peterson already served 6 or 2 games of unpaid suspension. If Doty's ruling is upheld and they go with the 2 game suspension they only have to return 4 game checks to Peterson.
 
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It has already been determined that a player can not be punished under the new policy, which is why the NFL claims to have been punishing Hardy under the old policy, it just doesn't hold water and Doty already said this. If the old policy was this punishing, why the need for a new policy? The NFL's precedence of punishment in the old policy speaks for itself.

Hardy won't face more than 2 games.

Thanks, I wonder when this will fully play out?
 

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Are you serious? It clearly says he ordered the suspension to be vacated. He told the League they must follow the CBA rule that was in place at the time of the incident. The new likely suspension was maxed at 2 games going by the previous policy.

The NFL has yet to act on that court order but they had to re-instate Peterson because he served his time already. Whether the appeal of Doty's ruling is successful or not Peterson already served 6 or 2 games of unpaid suspension. If Doty's ruling is upheld and they go with the 2 game suspension they only have to return 4 game checks to Peterson.

Again, why can't you read where he SPECIFICALLY says that he isn't ruling on the fairness of the suspension, he only ruled that the arbitrator did not do his job in coming up with a conclusion for rejected Peterson's appeal.

They didn't have to re-instate Peterson either, as Doty never said anything about reinstating him.
 

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Thanks, I wonder when this will fully play out?

Well to be honest there are a lot of moving parts. If the NFL is found in contempt though it will speed things up. Hardy's hearing is next thursday, so I'm hoping something can happen before then, but I doubt it will.

This could potentially be all over in the first week of june.
 

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Again, why can't you read where he SPECIFICALLY says that he isn't ruling on the fairness of the suspension, he only ruled that the arbitrator did not do his job in coming up with a conclusion for rejected Peterson's appeal.

They didn't have to re-instate Peterson either, as Doty never said anything about reinstating him.

I never said he was ruling on the fairness, but he clearly ordered that the indefinite suspension, which turned out to be 6 games, was to be vacated because it didn't comply with CBA. He ordered Henderson to comply, but he has yet to act because the League is waiting on the appeal to the Eighth Circuit.

And the League did re-instate Peterson from his suspension and removed him off the Commissioner's Exempt list because no matter the outcome of the appeal, Peterson has served his unpaid suspension.

Why they made CAR pay Hardy to sit and won't count time served on the Commissioner's Exempt list is beyond me. DAL is being punished for something he supposedly did as a Panther, but the Panthers were punished by paying for their best defensive player to miss their playoff run and playoff games.
 

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I never said he was ruling on the fairness, but he clearly ordered that the indefinite suspension, which turned out to be 6 games, was to be vacated because it didn't comply with CBA. He ordered Henderson to comply, but he has yet to act because the League is waiting on the appeal to the Eighth Circuit.

And the League did re-instate Peterson from his suspension and removed him off the Commissioner's Exempt list because no matter the outcome of the appeal, Peterson has served his unpaid suspension.

Why they made CAR pay Hardy to sit and won't count time served on the Commissioner's Exempt list is beyond me. DAL is being punished for something he supposedly did as a Panther, but the Panthers were punished by paying for their best defensive player to miss their playoff run and playoff games.

You really don't get this, so I'm going to break it down for you one more time. He didn't rule on anything relating to the NFL. He ruled on the decision of the Arbitrator and his conduct and decision making process.

He ordered this back to arbitration. He didn't order the end of any indefinite suspension nor did he make any ruling on the suspension the league gave him for 2014. That is why he sent it back to arbitration. I'm stunned that I have to keep explaining this to you. If the Judge had ruled as you think he did, he wouldn't have sent it back to arbitration. He would have simply dismissed the NFL's suspension against him and ruled that they owed him whatever amount of game checks he decided, and that he be reinstated. That did NOT happen and you can read his ruling and see that no such language is present.

Hardy was in the same situation as Peterson the DIFFERENCE is that Peterson filed for reinstatement after the first 11 weeks of the season. Hardy did not. Hardy was paid for every game, whereas because Peterson filed for re-instatement he was actually suspended without pay.
 

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They didn't have to re-instate Peterson either, as Doty never said anything about reinstating him.

They HAD to reinstate him because he served his time, not because of Doty's ruling.

The NFL issued the following statement on Thursday regarding Adrian Peterson :

Adrian Peterson of the Minnesota Vikings was advised today that effective tomorrow he is reinstated as an active NFL player and may participate in all scheduled activities with the Vikings.

In a letter from Commissioner Roger Goodell, Peterson was informed that he is expected to fulfill his remaining obligations to the authorities in Minnesota and Texas, as well as the additional commitments Peterson made during his April 7 meeting with the commissioner regarding maintaining an ongoing program of counseling and treatment as recommended by medical advisors.

Beyond the requirement to comply with his court obligations and plan of counseling, Peterson was reminded that his continuing participation in the NFL depends on his avoidance of any further conduct that violates the Personal Conduct Policy or other NFL policies. Any further violation of the Personal Conduct Policy by Peterson would result in additional discipline, which could include suspension without pay or banishment from the NFL.

Peterson was suspended without pay last November 18 for the remainder of the 2014 NFL season for violating the NFL Personal Conduct Policy in an incident of abusive discipline that he inflicted on his four-year-old son last May. Peterson pled no contest on November 4 in state court in Montgomery County, Texas to reckless assault of the child.
 

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They HAD to reinstate him because he served his time, not because of Doty's ruling.

The NFL issued the following statement on Thursday regarding Adrian Peterson :

Adrian Peterson of the Minnesota Vikings was advised today that effective tomorrow he is reinstated as an active NFL player and may participate in all scheduled activities with the Vikings.

In a letter from Commissioner Roger Goodell, Peterson was informed that he is expected to fulfill his remaining obligations to the authorities in Minnesota and Texas, as well as the additional commitments Peterson made during his April 7 meeting with the commissioner regarding maintaining an ongoing program of counseling and treatment as recommended by medical advisors.

Beyond the requirement to comply with his court obligations and plan of counseling, Peterson was reminded that his continuing participation in the NFL depends on his avoidance of any further conduct that violates the Personal Conduct Policy or other NFL policies. Any further violation of the Personal Conduct Policy by Peterson would result in additional discipline, which could include suspension without pay or banishment from the NFL.

Peterson was suspended without pay last November 18 for the remainder of the 2014 NFL season for violating the NFL Personal Conduct Policy in an incident of abusive discipline that he inflicted on his four-year-old son last May. Peterson pled no contest on November 4 in state court in Montgomery County, Texas to reckless assault of the child.

What I'm saying is that Doty didn't force the NFL to do this. That had nothing to do with him. In reality it wasn't a 6 game suspension either, it was an indefinite suspension for the rest of the 2014 season and pending that he complied with the NFL's conditions of reinstatement.
 

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Hardy was in the same situation as Peterson the DIFFERENCE is that Peterson filed for reinstatement after the first 11 weeks of the season. Hardy did not. Hardy was paid for every game, whereas because Peterson filed for re-instatement he was actually suspended without pay.

Peterson filed because his case was adjudicated.

The NFL pretended to use Hardy's jury trial as the reason for the delay, but when the charges were dropped they said they didn't need the courts decision and they were conducting their own investigation. Which is absurd because his case was from May 2014 and they sure wasted a lot of time before they decided to ignore the courts.

The NFL is only appealing Peterson's ruling so they can come down hard on Hardy. Everyone else is subject to the new rules. Peterson has already been reinstated and Ray Rice won his appeal.

The sensible thing to do is give Peterson back 4 game checks and suspend Hardy for 2 games without pay. The 10 games is a complete joke and spits in the face or Doty and Jones. They should take a lesson from Kraft and admit defeat and let it go. Their is no public outcry against Hardy and there won't be any.
 

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Peterson filed because his case was adjudicated.

The NFL pretended to use Hardy's jury trial as the reason for the delay, but when the charges were dropped they said they didn't need the courts decision and they were conducting their own investigation. Which is absurd because his case was from May 2014 and they sure wasted a lot of time before they decided to ignore the courts.

The NFL is only appealing Peterson's ruling so they can come down hard on Hardy. Everyone else is subject to the new rules. Peterson has already been reinstated and Ray Rice won his appeal.

The sensible thing to do is give Peterson back 4 game checks and suspend Hardy for 2 games without pay. The 10 games is a complete joke and spits in the face or Doty and Jones. They should take a lesson from Kraft and admit defeat and let it go. Their is no public outcry against Hardy and there won't be any.


Actually the sensible thing to do would be to fine him 2-3 games with no further games missed. It should also be based on his 2014 salary.

I guarantee you Kraft made a deal to go silently into the night. Won't be surprised when Brady is lowered to 1 or 2 games suspension.
 

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Actually the sensible thing to do would be to fine him 2-3 games with no further games missed. It should also be based on his 2014 salary.

I guarantee you Kraft made a deal to go silently into the night. Won't be surprised when Brady is lowered to 1 or 2 games suspension.

There is no grounds to reduce Brady's suspension. He was caught red handed and he didn't cooperate.

And Brady needs a full clearance of wrongdoing, not a reduction. A reduction means he is still guilty, they are just haggling over the price.
 

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There is no grounds to reduce Brady's suspension. He was caught red handed and he didn't cooperate.

And Brady needs a full clearance of wrongdoing, not a reduction. A reduction means he is still guilty, they are just haggling over the price.

It sounds like they haggled over the price and that is why they didnt fight the teams penalties.

Just saying don't be surprised when Brady's suspension is mysteriously reduced.
 

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Heck, the NFL and Brady are trying to work out a deal before it even goes to arbitration. I see no such headlines for Hardy :(

He will go to court, just hope it is settled by week 1.

Yes.

I have no concerns really.

The Cowboys knew what they were in for with this from the beginning

I think it goes to court with a chance it's completely overturned and he gets time served for losing the first couple of games while he goes thru it..
 

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you gomers that keep whining that the suspension for Brady will be reduced don't get it: the OTHER 31 OWNERS let Goodell know he could not blink on this or THEY would not like it. Even some of the dumb bunnies in this thread ought to be able to figure out that when its 31-1 you don't side with the single digit.
 

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you gomers that keep whining that the suspension for Brady will be reduced don't get it: the OTHER 31 OWNERS let Goodell know he could not blink on this or THEY would not like it. Even some of the dumb bunnies in this thread ought to be able to figure out that when its 31-1 you don't side with the single digit.

Kraft and his stupid rebuttal(deflator meant weight loss???), Tom Brady's agent, Tom Brady's dad and all the shills at ESPN like Teddy Bruschi were basically told to shut the hell up or face even more sanctions.

They were caught red handed, again and couldn't bully their way out of this.

DAL, WAS, NO, CLE, ATL have all had to take their medicine and now it's NEs turn.
 
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