Archer: How similar are Jason Garrett, Pete Carroll?

[TheCount]

Keep popping them excuses out Idigt......................Pete Carroll cant coach, it is the talent.................wow, that is a new one even for you buddy.............LOL

You fell right into his trap. He's not claiming Carroll is as bad as Garrett, he's saying Garrett is as good as Carroll.

 

[bark]

In before the self-loathing. Oh, nevermind.

The biggest difference is the quality of the roster assembled, as Carroll's experience at other stops would indicate. It's not like he suddenly learned to coach when he got the good players.

I'm with you idgit. I think Garrett could win with that defense. Garrett is a symptom, the disease is upstream from him.

 

[Idgit]

Like not knowing how to manage a game or run the football with a huge lead? Or did you mean being handicapped with a lunatic for a GM?

The managing a game stuff is a relative weakness of his, I agree. I don't think it's all that important in the scheme of things if you have the right players, and I don't think it's the sole cause that's costing us games. It does contribute, though, obviously.

We blew the opportunity to run on two series in GB if that's what you're referencing. Similarly, I'm sure Carroll has his share of such gaffes. Every coach does. Belichick does. We got to see a couple of Chip Kelley's first hand this year. Shanahan's last year. That's part of coaching in the NFL.

I didn't specifically mean the lunatic GM, but that's obviously a factor. As were injuries the last two years and, more specifically, the truly bad pass defense each of the last three seasons that has not been addressed sufficiently.

 

[Wolfpack]

I'm with you idgit. I think Garrett could win with that defense. Garrett is a symptom, the disease is upstream from him.

Jason doesn't know jack about defense. He's gone through 3 DC in three years. He has no clue what he wants to do as a HC in terms of building a team. Its either stop gap panic or Jerry-fed hope. No plan in place for anything.

 

[Wezsh0T]

Great players make great coaches. Last year, I coached a team that went 1-26. This year, we are 8-3 so far. My players are better, but the main difference is that a new player moved into the area and is an awesome point guard. Am I a great coach or did I get a new player that elevated us to a new level? Probably a bit of both.

 

[Idgit]

You fell right into his trap. He's not claiming Carroll is as bad as Garrett, he's saying Garrett is as good as Carroll.

I didn't say as good as. I said the biggest difference between the two teams is the quality of the SEA personnel on defense. And it is. But I don't think the differences between the two coaches are as pronounced as the rest of you guys in this thread would like to believe, for whatever reason.

 

[TheCount]

I didn't say as good as. I said the biggest difference between the two teams is the quality of the SEA personnel on defense. And it is. But I don't think the differences between the two coaches are as pronounced as the rest of you guys in this thread would like to believe, for whatever reason.

You're free to believe what you wish. I don't see anyone trying to change your mind.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

I'm with you idgit. I think Garrett could win with that defense. Garrett is a symptom, the disease is upstream from him.

Thats well and good if you ignore the fact that Carroll has rebuilt a 5-11 team in his image.

We here the roster improvement argument from the Garret Parrot's but the truth of the matter is the results dont match up with that argument.

 

[Little Jr]

In before the self-loathing. Oh, nevermind.

The biggest difference is the quality of the roster assembled, as Carroll's experience at other stops would indicate. It's not like he suddenly learned to coach when he got the good players.

He went 6-10 with a horrible jets team and was showed the door after 1 season. He went 10-6 and made the playoffs with the pats in his 1st year and 9-7 in his 2nd and missed the playoffs. He was showed the door just after 2 seasons. Then went to usc and rebuilt a power house. his previous stops were still better than what we have standing on the sidelines. He took a 5-11 team and 4 years later they are champions.

 

[Idgit]

Thats well and good if you ignore the fact that Carroll has rebuilt a 5-11 team in his image.

We here the roster improvement argument from the Garret Parrot's but the truth of the matter is the results dont match up with that argument.

Wading through what I think you're trying to say there, but Carroll was 7-9 his first two years in SEA, and he was 47-49 with 3 different organizations his first full 6 seasons in the NFL. Tell me again how that compares so favorably with 29-27 with no cap room and a rash of defensive injuries the last few years here in Dallas.

 

[Idgit]

He went 6-10 with a horrible jets team and was showed the door after 1 season. He went 10-6 and made the playoffs with the pats in his 1st year and 9-7 in his 2nd and missed the playoffs. He was showed the door just after 2 seasons. Then went to usc and rebuilt a power house. his previous stops were still better than what we have standing on the sidelines. He took a 5-11 team and 4 years later they are champions.

He had an 8-8 year at the end in NE, and two 7-9 squads in SEA, as well.

 

[Idgit]

You're free to believe what you wish. I don't see anyone trying to change your mind.

Not with arguments, anyway.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Wading through what I think you're trying to say there, but Carroll was 7-9 his first two years in SEA, and he was 47-49 with 3 different organizations his first full 6 seasons in the NFL. Tell me again how that compares so favorably with 29-27 with no cap room and a rash of defensive injuries the last few years here in Dallas.

Ignoring the playoff game he won in year one after taking over a team that finished 5-11? Convenient.

 

[Little Jr]

He had an 8-8 year at the end in NE, and two 7-9 squads in SEA, as well.

Yes 8-8 his lat year in ne. And the 2 7-9 squads was while he was rebuilding that team into what it is now. It was a 5-11 team before he took over. The whole 4 years he's been there you can see that team getting better. Can't say the same here. When he took over that team in his 1st year you saw the change. In 3 years only change we've seen is the asst coaches getting fired, promoted and shuffled. The play on the field has remained the same. The talent level hasn't got any better.

 

[Idgit]

Ignoring the playoff game he won in year one after taking over a team that finished 5-11? Convenient.

I didn't ignore it. We'd have qualified every year but the year Jason took over for Wade at 1-6 if a 7-9 team would have made it to the playoffs.
Be honest, had we gone under Jason at 7-9 because of nothing the Cowboys did and instead because the rest of the NFC was weak that particular season, would *you* be giving the HC any credit for the accomplishment? I'm gonna go ahead and guess 'no' based off of nothing but your posting history.

 

[Idgit]

Yes 8-8 his lat year in ne. And the 2 7-9 squads was while he was rebuilding that team into what it is now. It was a 5-11 team before he took over. The whole 4 years he's been there you can see that team getting better. Can't say the same here. When he took over that team in his 1st year you saw the change. In 3 years only change we've seen is the asst coaches getting fired, promoted and shuffled. The play on the field has remained the same. The talent level hasn't got any better.

I'd disagree completely with the Dallas assessment. For SEA, they are what their record said they were: rebuilding into a contender. For Dallas, we've rebuilt the entire OL and the secondary, and there's a good case to be made that injuries on defense derailed the last two playoff runs. I think there's little doubt the team we fielded this season, when it was healthy, early, was much better than the team that ended the 2010 season (even if Romo had been healthy). We've had some serious hiccups along the way, but I'd put some good money on some of that chaos with the staff being brought on from up top. Wouldn't you?

 

[Redball Express]

How similar are Jason Garrett, Pete Carroll?
February, 4, 2014

By Todd Archer | ESPNDallas.com

IRVING, Texas -- Maybe Jason Garrett is more like Seattle Seahawks coach Pete Carroll than we know.

The Dallas Cowboys' coach doesn’t chew gum like Carroll. He’s not as rambunctious on the sidelines as Carroll. He doesn’t count Macklemore as one of his buddies.

But in searching through the Seahawks’ media notes, I came across a section dedicated to Carroll’s beliefs:

Philosophy: It’s all about the ball -- “You win by taking care of the football,” Carroll said.

Central theme: Competition -- “Practice is everything, it’s where we make us,” Carroll said.

Team rules: Always protect the team; no whining, no complaining, no excuses; be early

Style: Great effort, great enthusiasm, great toughness, and play smart

It’s not exactly new stuff. Every coach at every level says these things, right?

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4724134/how-similar-are-jason-garrett-pete-carroll

Garrett has all the mannerisms and work ethic needed.

What he lacks is good players.

Its more rebuilding right now.

Can't avoid it.

What's troubling is that..

Jerrah still is too involved in Garrett's coaching.

Garrett needs to have the training wheels removed and let him COACH.

If this is his last year of his deal and he's going to either sink or swim..

..take the lead weights away and let's see now what Garrett can do.

 

[Little Jr]

I'd disagree completely with the Dallas assessment. For SEA, they are what their record said they were: rebuilding into a contender. For Dallas, we've rebuilt the entire OL and the secondary, and there's a good case to be made that injuries on defense derailed the last two playoff runs. I think there's little doubt the team we fielded this season, when it was healthy, early, was much better than the team that ended the 2010 season (even if Romo had been healthy). We've had some serious hiccups along the way, but I'd put some good money on some of that chaos with the staff being brought on from up top. Wouldn't you?

Pete- 7-9 playoff win. 7-9. 11-5 playoff win. 13-3 superbowl champs.

Jg- 8-8 week 17 choke job. 8-8 week 17 choke job. 8-8 week 17 choke job.

Yep I see the similarities. They are just screaming at me. You need to get a job in the cowboys pr department. You should get paid for the spin job you do for this team.

 

[Doomsay]

Garrett needs to have the training wheels removed and let him COACH.

Garrett would don a bubble boy suit if he could eek out another $3 - $4 million paycheck.

 

[Redball Express]

Garrett would don a bubble boy suit if he could eek out another $3 - $4 million paycheck.

So wouldn't I.

And imagine.

Parcells it was said was pulling $8 mil a season when he pulled out..

So Garrett is a regular garage sale bargain..

sort of.