Archer: Underwhelming hires show Cowboys right to stay with Jason Garrett

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there is not a lot left to be said about garrett he is mediocre but coach jones likes him so he is here and will be here unless he has another bad year next year then chances are he is gone. But who will jones hire a really good coach wont come here to work and put up with jones so we are stuck I just don't see much improvement over the next years as long as jerry is running things the last 20 don't encourage you very much.

Yes, you are one of those beaten down Cowboys fans I have been speaking about. Cant much blame you. Im to the point that I wish I could like another team. I really do. I dislike much about this team from top to bottom. But I'm not sure I firmly believe Jones wont hire a great coach. If Garrett continues to flop, then I am not sure what other choice he has. I am also a firm believer that Garrett is sooo stinking bad, that any of the guys hired this year would be head and shoulders above Garrett. Honestly, Garrett has no business coaching in the NFL. The mistakes he makes any average fan can see from the stands. Its mind numbing.
 

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Be realistic. Those were basically the most obvious coaching names out there, and every team's fans have the exact same wish list. Do you really think Harbaugh and Payton are dark horses that some teams just hadn't thought of? Which is more likely -- that all these NFL GMs are stupider than you, or that some big name coaches who are already under contract with good jobs might actually want to stay where they are?

Bottom line is this...........There is no issue with bringing in young coaches or giving someone a shot you have a feeling about. But with Garrett there are two blaring issues:

1. He did NOTHING in the NFL or any other leval to warrant the OC job here. NOTHING
2. After a few years of a guy bombing at being a coach you have to fire him.

The problem has no just been Garretts incompetence, its Jones inability to fire him after an obvious mistake was bad. Its like super compounding a problem.
 

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CowboyRoy,
Bottom line is this...........There is no issue with bringing in young coaches or giving someone a shot you have a feeling about. But with Garrett there are two blaring issues:

1. He did NOTHING in the NFL or any other leval to warrant the OC job here. NOTHING
2. After a few years of a guy bombing at being a coach you have to fire him.

The problem has no just been Garretts incompetence, its Jones inability to fire him after an obvious mistake was bad. Its like super compounding a problem.

This might be the POST OF THE YEAR. True Cowboy Fans are suffering due to the Garrett-Jones debacle.
 

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Bottom line is this...........There is no issue with bringing in young coaches or giving someone a shot you have a feeling about. But with Garrett there are two blaring issues:

1. He did NOTHING in the NFL or any other leval to warrant the OC job here. NOTHING
2. After a few years of a guy bombing at being a coach you have to fire him.

The problem has no just been Garretts incompetence, its Jones inability to fire him after an obvious mistake was bad. Its like super compounding a problem.

Exactly.
 

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Bottom line is this...........There is no issue with bringing in young coaches or giving someone a shot you have a feeling about. But with Garrett there are two blaring issues:

1. He did NOTHING in the NFL or any other leval to warrant the OC job here. NOTHING
2. After a few years of a guy bombing at being a coach you have to fire him.

The problem has no just been Garretts incompetence, its Jones inability to fire him after an obvious mistake was bad. Its like super compounding a problem.

Right, its just Jerry doubling down to prove everybody wrong and show that he really knows what he's doing and that doing things the "right way" will pay off in the end.

The only problem is, there will be no pay off becuz its pretty obvious the "right way" is just some fantasy at this point.
 

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CowboyRoy,


This might be the POST OF THE YEAR. True Cowboy Fans are suffering due to the Garrett-Jones debacle.

This time next season, we will know if a NFL Head Coach can be made via a franchise with Jerry as the GM...
 

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Right, its just Jerry doubling down to prove everybody wrong and show that he really knows what he's doing and that doing things the "right way" will pay off in the end.

The only problem is, there will be no pay off becuz its pretty obvious the "right way" is just some fantasy at this point.

It was so disheartening a year or so ago when Jones gave his famous interview about how we all know how many mistakes Garrett has made "learning on the job". That we have suffered because of it. Then proclaiming that if he was to let him go now, we would never reap the benefits of all that tough learning. As if miraculously Garrett was going to finally get it from making so many mistakes.

That was Jerry doubling down on a bad mistake. Now if he couldnt see how bad Garrett was, then you would just have to say how foolish he was. But to admit quite clearly he has seen what the rest of us have seen and to then say he is sticking with Garrett......................Well then that is just pure, unbridled stupidity on Jerrys part. No other way to put it. When emotion and ego gets involved in business decisions, that is when you make the big mistakes.

And I understand his continuity thing. Makes perfect sense. But its obvious he doesnt even understand the true nature of that theory. You can't have inept continuity. Continuity is only good if it involves positive outcomes. Otherwise, change is the perfect antidote.
 

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I'd even take Chip Kelly.. Look what he did with Sanchez and Foles..

I'd take any of these coaches with Romo over Garrett..
 

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Yeah. Because those 8 guys were the only coaches you could choose from.

Exactly..........Archer is making the logical fallacy that those 8 candidates are the entire pool of coaches with which we had to pick from. It could be that a more established and experienced coach would have been interested in coaching the Cowboys over the sorry arse Titans or Browns.
 

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Man, this thread is just painful to read. Like, it makes my eyes hurt.

Exactly..........Archer is making the logical fallacy that those 8 candidates are the entire pool of coaches with which we had to pick from. It could be that a more established and experienced coach would have been interested in coaching the Cowboys over the sorry arse Titans or Browns.

He's assuming that the teams that were in the market for a coach did their diligence before selecting their guys. And that money from the Titans or Browns would spend as well as money from the Cowboys. Not sure that's fallacious. We're a bigger job than some of those other markets, but there were other good jobs out there capable of drawing good coaches. MIA, NY, and SF are some of the best cities in America.
 

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Man, this thread is just painful to read. Like, it makes my eyes hurt.



He's assuming that the teams that were in the market for a coach did their diligence before selecting their guys. And that money from the Titans or Browns would spend as well as money from the Cowboys. Not sure that's fallacious. We're a bigger job than some of those other markets, but there were other good jobs out there capable of drawing good coaches. MIA, NY, and SF are some of the best cities in America.

It is still stating a hypothetical as fact.

Moot point since Garrett is not going anywhere however
 

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It is still stating a hypothetical as fact.

Moot point since Garrett is not going anywhere however

Archer probably didn't choose the title. The article itself is clearly opinion and he qualifies that, too. Nothing to see here.

You're right that complaining about the staff doesn't change the fact that he organization likes this staff. The echo chamber to the contrary here notwithstanding.
 
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