Are fans ready to accept the Micah trade devasted our defense?

[thunderpimp91]

BS.

lol how is it bs? Is football not a team sport? Are WRs not dependent upon QBs to get them the football? Are RBs not dependent upon the OL? Is an OL going to look worse if the QB holds onto the ball longer? Of course all this matters so why do we view defensive players any differently? Is it really up for debate as to if a better secondary will help land a player more sacks? How did TJ Watt get 19 sacks two years ago, but had just 11 last season in the same number of games? Is he not as good of a player now? Just go put on tape of Dware his last season in Dallas and tell me how many more sacks he would have had if we have competent DTs that could have kept QBs from stepping up in clean pockets. Interesting how that guy went from a 20 sack guy with Greg Ellis on the opposite side, but dipped down to 11 when Spencer was his opposite edge guy. He also nearly doubled his sack total leaving Dallas and going to Denver to play with Von Miller.


Denver leads the league in sacks by a pretty large margin at 30 on the year yet they are 26th in the league in giving QBs time to throw, and blitz at the 3rd highest rate in football. Now they have some good players on the front 7, but is it at all possible that the Denver pass rushers are benefiting from having maybe the best cover corner in football in Pat Surtain?

It's absolutely bizarre to think that player success is not directly associated with the 10 other guys on the field.

 

[eromeopolk]

Who said that?

Somebody that does not understand you run to win, pass to score, stop the run to rush the passer, inside pressure makes outside sacks for secondary coverage that leads to turnovers. Finally, defense wins championships.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Somebody that does not understand you run to win, pass to score, stop the run to rush the passer, inside pressure makes outside sacks for secondary coverage that leads to turnovers. Finally, defense wins championships.

I literally just said that to Starfan!

 

[jterrell]

They didn't trade Micah because they wanted to. They trade him because he pissed Jerry off. There was no plan to make the team better by doing it.

I do not care about their plan. I do not care that Micah and his agent forced their hand.
I care that the trade gave them a direction.
Results are all I care about.

And the children in the media will laud this as a bad trade but those people will almost certainly appear to be very wrong in about 2 years.

Had we kept Micah we likely win last week... yay us.
We beat a trash Carolina team and pretend we are good for what???
We are not good. Not good when healthy and certainly not going to be a good team in the playoffs.
Dallas dragged out being a top 10 team for a long time. They did it built around like 8 guys.
The rest of the roster was not playoff caliber. And depth matters immensely.

Jerry is a buffoon yolo'ing it. This being a good trade has zero to do with him being some master GM.

Had Dallas gotten a real GM he would have made this trade last year just before Micah returned from injury.....
Then we go about 5-12 and been slated to pick 7-9. If they didn't want to draft either OT or Mykel Willaims, they could have added draft capital by trading down and still selecting Booker.

Treading water at the maybe we make the playoffs but lose in wild card round is definitely a bad way to ever get good.

Micah may very well end up in the Hall of Fame. But at this point in his career, he has 1 career playoff sack.
We have seen what happens as the season wears on and he wears down. We have seen what happens against good teams who can plan for him.
We have seen what happens when teams will pound the run.

 

[jterrell]

Maybe the defense not being healthy had more to do with the ranking than anything else?

Dallas was awful on defense because they had awful players.
Injuries just made the obvious lack of depth apparent.

Dallas currently has maybe 3 good defensive players.
On defense you are only as good as your weakest link because offenses get to call the plays.

Dallas does not have a legit starting NFL LB save the guy out injured for almost a full season.
Tthey have a decent box safety if you keep him there and a decent high safety that is now out injured.
They have a nickel CB who is not good outside and a guy outside who got paid and mentally retired.
Our depth is so bad at CB we just rotate undrafted free agents in, and it all looks pretty much the same.

Our DL is shallow as can be inside and real young on the outside.

This defense could use Micah to reach elite as long as he brought about 5 Packers defenders back with him.

 

[kskboys]

I have no issues moving on from Parsons, but disagree on the bolded part here. Contract average is probably the least important number of any multi year deal. For example Diggs got a pretty high average, but the low guaranteed money makes his deal mostly a non factor as we can get out of it at any time. Mahomes got top of the market money when he signed, but that $45m is a bargain due to the length of his contract. For Micah the AAV is largely for show as his guaranteed money per year is right in line with the other top guys at the position. Its almost a given that he wont see the final year of that deal in 2029 as they'll either cut him for next to nothing or reach another extension. By that time comes his average cash per year should be around $40M, his cap number in the 20s or low 30s average depending on if they cut or extend him. Him seeing the $47m number by either cash or cap hit is about a 1% scenario.

Yeah, but that depends on how you figure the average. First thing is to remove the non-guaranteed years. Then add in what all pro-rated bonuses and such are. There's your figure, and that average matters a ton.

 

[gtb1943]

lol how is it bs? Is football not a team sport? Are WRs not dependent upon QBs to get them the football? Are RBs not dependent upon the OL? Is an OL going to look worse if the QB holds onto the ball longer? Of course all this matters so why do we view defensive players any differently? Is it really up for debate as to if a better secondary will help land a player more sacks? How did TJ Watt get 19 sacks two years ago, but had just 11 last season in the same number of games? Is he not as good of a player now? Just go put on tape of Dware his last season in Dallas and tell me how many more sacks he would have had if we have competent DTs that could have kept QBs from stepping up in clean pockets. Interesting how that guy went from a 20 sack guy with Greg Ellis on the opposite side, but dipped down to 11 when Spencer was his opposite edge guy. He also nearly doubled his sack total leaving Dallas and going to Denver to play with Von Miller.


Denver leads the league in sacks by a pretty large margin at 30 on the year yet they are 26th in the league in giving QBs time to throw, and blitz at the 3rd highest rate in football. Now they have some good players on the front 7, but is it at all possible that the Denver pass rushers are benefiting from having maybe the best cover corner in football in Pat Surtain?

It's absolutely bizarre to think that player success is not directly associated with the 10 other guys on the field.

lol how is it bs? Is football not a team sport? Are WRs not dependent upon QBs to get them the football? Are RBs not dependent upon the OL? Is an OL going to look worse if the QB holds onto the ball longer? Of course all this matters so why do we view defensive players any differently? Is it really up for debate as to if a better secondary will help land a player more sacks? How did TJ Watt get 19 sacks two years ago, but had just 11 last season in the same number of games? Is he not as good of a player now? Just go put on tape of Dware his last season in Dallas and tell me how many more sacks he would have had if we have competent DTs that could have kept QBs from stepping up in clean pockets. Interesting how that guy went from a 20 sack guy with Greg Ellis on the opposite side, but dipped down to 11 when Spencer was his opposite edge guy. He also nearly doubled his sack total leaving Dallas and going to Denver to play with Von Miller.


Denver leads the league in sacks by a pretty large margin at 30 on the year yet they are 26th in the league in giving QBs time to throw, and blitz at the 3rd highest rate in football. Now they have some good players on the front 7, but is it at all possible that the Denver pass rushers are benefiting from having maybe the best cover corner in football in Pat Surtain?

It's absolutely bizarre to think that player success is not directly associated with the 10 other guys on the field.

Pressures are a much more misleading stat as we have seen.

 

[kskboys]

Dallas was awful on defense because they had awful players.
Injuries just made the obvious lack of depth apparent.

Dallas currently has maybe 3 good defensive players.
On defense you are only as good as your weakest link because offenses get to call the plays.

Dallas does not have a legit starting NFL LB save the guy out injured for almost a full season.
Tthey have a decent box safety if you keep him there and a decent high safety that is now out injured.
They have a nickel CB who is not good outside and a guy outside who got paid and mentally retired.
Our depth is so bad at CB we just rotate undrafted free agents in, and it all looks pretty much the same.

Our DL is shallow as can be inside and real young on the outside.

This defense could use Micah to reach elite as long as he brought about 5 Packers defenders back with him.

Extremely well said.

 

[Shane612]

Who cares about an over priced pass rusher?
Glad he’s off the books.

 

[kskboys]

And to reiterate, our D was 28th last year w/ him. Exactly how did his loss devastate us?

 

[KingCorcoran]

Parsons is 40th in sacks even though he's not playing full time. Maliek Collins has more sacks. Micah is on pace for 8 sacks this season. Does that sound like a 35 million a year investment?

High paid defensive players are paid for how they affect the entire defense. They’re not paid simply for sacks. I do not know why Cowboys fans think Parsons value was simply based on number of sacks. Jerry didn’t want him anymore. The reasons are his business as is the Dallas Cowboys franchise.

 

[RonnieT24]

High paid defensive players are paid for how they affect the entire defense. They’re not paid simply for sacks. I do not know why Cowboys fans think Parsons value was simply based on number of sacks. Jerry didn’t want him anymore. The reasons are his business as is the Dallas Cowboys franchise.

That's not what people said about Tank. People would argue day and night that "he is paid to get sacks..and if he's not getting sacks he's worthless.." Yes I know it's stupid and you know it's stupid.. but the majority of Cowboys fans well.. you know..

 

[diamonddelts]

And to reiterate, our D was 28th last year w/ him. Exactly how did his loss devastate us?

Inquiring minds really want OP to answer this question.

 

[kskboys]

Inquiring minds really want OP to answer this question.

I've asked a couple times, crickets. Losing Lewis and DLaw hurt a ton also.

 

[ColoradoCowboy]

Devastated? No.

EXPOSED? Yes.

 

[BHendri5]

I understand if we were actually in an official rebuild mode and Micah wasn’t in our plans as we planned on trading him to highest bidder during Free Agency that could have actually been a strategic plan. But that’s not what happened. We had every intention on resigning. We just couldn’t get a deal done . But I’m not here to argue out as that’s been exhausted over last couple months.

This thread is about what the impacts of losing Micah has meant to this defense . The fact we lost him a week before the season had to be devasting to a DC and schemes with other losses on defense in FA and injuries.

Where was our pass rush going to come from. We also lost Lawrence as a Cap Casualty. Our top two edge rushers gone .

And with our 2 CB’s not a 100% recovering from injuries we were leaving our secondary very vulnerable without a pass rush.

WTH were we thinking. We had to know it could be a disaster .

Are you kidding? Really are you that uneducated in football, Parsons doesn’t help the defense.

 

[diamonddelts]

I understand if we were actually in an official rebuild mode and Micah wasn’t in our plans as we planned on trading him to highest bidder during Free Agency that could have actually been a strategic plan. But that’s not what happened. We had every intention on resigning. We just couldn’t get a deal done . But I’m not here to argue out as that’s been exhausted over last couple months.

This thread is about what the impacts of losing Micah has meant to this defense . The fact we lost him a week before the season had to be devasting to a DC and schemes with other losses on defense in FA and injuries.

Where was our pass rush going to come from. We also lost Lawrence as a Cap Casualty. Our top two edge rushers gone .

And with our 2 CB’s not a 100% recovering from injuries we were leaving our secondary very vulnerable without a pass rush.

WTH were we thinking. We had to know it could be a disaster .

Please stop running from the question. Explain how the defense was devastated compared to previous year.

The Dallas Cowboys defense ranked poorly overall in 2024, with a 32nd ranking in total defense (yards allowed) and a 29th ranking in opponent rushing yards per game. They were ranked 17th in pass defense and 31st in points allowed per game.
Total Defense: Ranked 32nd in total yards allowed.
Run Defense: Ranked 29th in opponent rushing yards per game.
Points Allowed: Ranked 31st in points allowed per game.
Pass Defense: Ranked 17th in passing touchdowns allowed.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Are you kidding? Really are you that uneducated in football, Parsons doesn’t help the defense.

Yes he does. Even if it’s just the opponent having to account for him and/or changing what they might otherwise do. He helps the defense. It’s why Jerry offered him a colossal contract and why the Packers gave up a players, draft capital, and paid him a colossal contract.

Jerry Jones and the Packers organization are both more educated than you about football.

 

[Diehardblues]

Please stop running from the question. Explain how the defense was devastated compared to previous year.

The Dallas Cowboys defense ranked poorly overall in 2024, with a 32nd ranking in total defense (yards allowed) and a 29th ranking in opponent rushing yards per game. They were ranked 17th in pass defense and 31st in points allowed per game.
Total Defense: Ranked 32nd in total yards allowed.
Run Defense: Ranked 29th in opponent rushing yards per game.
Points Allowed: Ranked 31st in points allowed per game.
Pass Defense: Ranked 17th in passing touchdowns allowed.

I’m looking over his entire body of work last 4 years. Last year to me isn’t a good comparison with Dak out.

Here’s a stat for you. We have 7 sacks in 6 games. Only 2 teams have less.

We can spin stats to spur whatever narrative we want but if you don’t see a difference in this defense from previous years with Micah then I can’t help ya. Believe what you will. This is how I see it.

 

[reddyuta]

this is all time terrible defense and we all could see it a mile away,even Micah couldn't save them but he could have won us some more games with his play.