Are the Packers idiots/Cowboy Question

[playmakers]

Ok, lets say we went 13-3 last season and made it to the Championship Game...... Tony ROmo decides he wants to be a celebrity and live with Jessica Simpson, and retires from football. When the start of training camp comes around he gets that itch back and wants to play again. Jerry Jones, Steven Jones, Wade Phillps all say Brad Johnson or Bartel is our guy. Romo will have to win his spot or even better do we want him back. So Jones fuels calls from teams such as the Rams, 49ers, and Bears. We end up trading him to the 49ers for a 5th rounder. Our fan base would absolutly be going ballistic if that happened. Im suprised the Packers nation isnt rioting right now. They were one game away from the Superbowl last year. It wasnt like they were 8-8. If you watch some of the highlites in the past week and seen some of the throws Favre made last year and if you think Rodgers or 90 percent of the QB's in this league can make those is ridiculus. The Packers just went from a 12-4 team to an 7-9 club. This season Ryan Grant will see 8 and 9 man fronts. Im not even a Packer fan and Ted Thompson and Mike Mccarthey irke me. I know some would say you need Rodgers for the future, but the future is now when your one game away from the Superbowl. I think you only say that when your medicore.


My question is this. If we didnt let Rodgers have an easy game last season against us do you think we would be talking about this today. Im saying if Rodgers doesnt play against us last season, the red carpert would of been laid out for Favre. All that Rodgers showed me was he did a good Jeff Garcia impression against us. He ran around alot and made a few plays out of it but like Garcia, hes not Superbowl material. Garcia can be good but not elite. In closing, its our fault all this is happening[S}. If we would of stuffed him last season when Favre got hurt we wouldnt of had to listen about this on Sportcenter/NFLNetwork etc everyday. Its all our fault(jk, well, maybe not(S))

 

[Yakuza Rich]

One of the things I'd like to see Wade have the team focus on is the defense at Texas Stadium. In the past 2 seasons, Dallas has done a fine job on defense on the road, allowing opposing offense a QB rating of only 71. However, at Texas Stadium the defense has allowed a QB rating of 86. Now, I'm sure some will point to Texas Stadium not "being loud enough", which is actually incorrect as Texas Stadium has been one of the leaders in opposing teams committing false starts over the past few years. Even still, I don't see more crowd noise making THAT big of a difference. For whatever reason, the defense doesn't have the same type of intensity and focus at home as they do on the road. So the fact that Rodgers did well at Texas Stadium may be no big surprise.

I think the Packers are in a tough situation because Brett doesn't have much left in the tank and Rodgers' contract is running out soon. So they need to find out what exactly Rodgers brings to the table. Also, this situation just seems like one of those where a team like the Packers could make out huge with a big trade. I can see somebody like the Bucs giving up too much for him and while the trade would get bashed by Packers fans at first, down the road they would be glad they did it.






YAKUZA

 

[sago1]

Think the Bucs would be fools to give up much for Favre. At most he probably plays 1 more year, max 2. I don't believe they are only 1 player away from the SB cause they lack firepower except for the speedy WR Joey Galloway. Although I live outside Tampa, must admit I don't follow the Bucs that much so don't know who they added in the draft/offseason to substantially improve their offense.

 

[AtlCB]

Ok, lets say we went 13-3 last season and made it to the Championship Game...... Tony ROmo decides he wants to be a celebrity and live with Jessica Simpson, and retires from football. When the start of training camp comes around he gets that itch back and wants to play again. Jerry Jones, Steven Jones, Wade Phillps all say Brad Johnson or Bartel is our guy. Romo will have to win his spot or even better do we want him back. So Jones fuels calls from teams such as the Rams, 49ers, and Bears. We end up trading him to the 49ers for a 5th rounder. Our fan base would absolutly be going ballistic if that happened. Im suprised the Packers nation isnt rioting right now. They were one game away from the Superbowl last year. It wasnt like they were 8-8. If you watch some of the highlites in the past week and seen some of the throws Favre made last year and if you think Rodgers or 90 percent of the QB's in this league can make those is ridiculus. The Packers just went from a 12-4 team to an 7-9 club. This season Ryan Grant will see 8 and 9 man fronts. Im not even a Packer fan and Ted Thompson and Mike Mccarthey irke me. I know some would say you need Rodgers for the future, but the future is now when your one game away from the Superbowl. I think you only say that when your medicore.


My question is this. If we didnt let Rodgers have an easy game last season against us do you think we would be talking about this today. Im saying if Rodgers doesnt play against us last season, the red carpert would of been laid out for Favre. All that Rodgers showed me was he did a good Jeff Garcia impression against us. He ran around alot and made a few plays out of it but like Garcia, hes not Superbowl material. Garcia can be good but not elite. In closing, its our fault all this is happening[S}. If we would of stuffed him last season when Favre got hurt we wouldnt of had to listen about this on Sportcenter/NFLNetwork etc everyday. Its all our fault(jk, well, maybe not(S))

You are actually comparing two completely different scenarios. In Favre's case, he has played this retirement game for 3 or 4 straight years. The Packers are sick of it. Brett Favre also only has about one or two good years left. The Pack also invested a lot in Aaron Rodgers and believe he will be a good QB.

The Cowboys scenario would be completely different. If Romo retired, they would be without a decent QB. Bartel probably won't make the team and Brad Johnson has seen better days.

Remember that the Pack also were willing to take Brett Favre back in the end, but Favre said he still had hard feelings toward the Packers' brass. I believe Favre pulled the whole retirement scam this off-season to try to secure his release, so he could go to Minnesota and win another championship.

 

[Hostile]

Prediction...

Green Bay will start 0-3 and be 0-2 at home. Rodgers will get injured and they will go from a 13-3 team to a footnote.

 

[Big Country]

Prediction...

Green Bay will start 0-3 and be 0-2 at home. Rodgers will get injured and they will go from a 13-3 team to a footnote.

I think GB record last year was an anomaly anyway...

Not many thought they would be as good as they were... the pieces just happened to all fall together at the right time.

Oh today's NFL

 

[Yeagermeister]

If Romo had retired and said he was coming back twice only to back down then we draft two qb's then yes I might be pissed.

 

[CowboyWay]

There is an easy solution here and its staring ted thompson in the face, but I think he's too damn stubborn to do it.

1. Get Favre back. Do whatever you have to, to make sure he will play 2 more seasons. I don't care what happens, 2 seasons no matter what.

2. Trade Aaron Rodgers. THere are plenty of teams that would be interested. Bears, Vikes, Ravens, Miami, Etc.

3. Keep Brian Brohm the backup. He can take over for favre in 2 years after learning on the bench. He has a buttload of potential too.

 

[theebs]

One of the things I'd like to see Wade have the team focus on is the defense at Texas Stadium. In the past 2 seasons, Dallas has done a fine job on defense on the road, allowing opposing offense a QB rating of only 71. However, at Texas Stadium the defense has allowed a QB rating of 86. Now, I'm sure some will point to Texas Stadium not "being loud enough", which is actually incorrect as Texas Stadium has been one of the leaders in opposing teams committing false starts over the past few years. Even still, I don't see more crowd noise making THAT big of a difference. For whatever reason, the defense doesn't have the same type of intensity and focus at home as they do on the road. So the fact that Rodgers did well at Texas Stadium may be no big surprise.

I think the Packers are in a tough situation because Brett doesn't have much left in the tank and Rodgers' contract is running out soon. So they need to find out what exactly Rodgers brings to the table. Also, this situation just seems like one of those where a team like the Packers could make out huge with a big trade. I can see somebody like the Bucs giving up too much for him and while the trade would get bashed by Packers fans at first, down the road they would be glad they did it.






YAKUZA

I would just like to add that we play on field turf, there is no wind and it is a great place to throw the football because the crown is not on the field like it once was.

that is why the giants were so quick to tell everyone they loved playing at texas stadium because the conditions were so favorable to throwing the football. And of course toomer and jacobs made jabs about the crowd too.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

There is an easy solution here and its staring ted thompson in the face, but I think he's too damn stubborn to do it.

1. Get Favre back. Do whatever you have to, to make sure he will play 2 more seasons. I don't care what happens, 2 seasons no matter what.

2. Trade Aaron Rodgers. THere are plenty of teams that would be interested. Bears, Vikes, Ravens, Miami, Etc.

3. Keep Brian Brohm the backup. He can take over for favre in 2 years after learning on the bench. He has a buttload of potential too.

Your logic is flawed.

1. Get him back for 2 more seasons of adding to his INT total and checking out of running plays costing his team the game when it really counts. No thanks if I am the Packers.

2. Trade Aaron when you STILL dont know what he can do for you? Why draft him in the first place?

3. Brohm could be an option. I say see what Aaron has over 2 seasons time as a starter(if he can stay healthy enough) while Brohm learns from sideline.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Most people would like to color Thompson as Jethro straight from the Beverly Hillbillys but I don't think so. Green Bay has been held hostage by the Favre situation for several years now. I'm not saying that Green Bay front office is completely right here because I think there is blame enough for both sides. This was handled poorly and that's the real issue. Having said that, everybody knows that this is a two QB league. You can't just have one so why wouldn't Green Bay take Favre back? I think that this is more about future then anything. Yeah, it's very possible that Green Bay would be in contention for a Super Bowl with Favre at QB but I kinda think that they probably wouldn't. To me, to win a Super Bowl, everybody on the team has to be on board. Everybody doesn't have to like each other but all the trains have to be moving in the same direction. This thing with Thompson and Favre runs too deep. Favre has had his way, on most things for a very long time. If Favre can't get past this, then McCarthy is right. He can't be a part of the team. Nobody is above the game and that's the situation that would have to be created for Favre and Thompson to come to terms I believe. I think this is more about how Green Bay sees it's franchise running more then what's best for Favre or the immediate future. They have known that the day Favre would no longer be the face of the franchise was coming for a very long time now. This situation kinda reminds me of the Patriots so many years ago with Bledsoe and Brady. Of course, there are some differences but essentially, it's the same IMO, in that New England made a decision as to how they would manager there franchise and they have stuck with it down through the years. It has been a succesful strategy for them and I kinda think that this is what Green Bay is trying to accomplish as well. Green Bay has made a decision on how they are going to run there franchise and if Favre is not on board with that, no matter how great a player he has been for the Packers, he's out the door. To me, Mike McCarthy has really shown something here. He's moving on, for better or worse and I do believe that it will probably be worse initially but in the long run, it will be better.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I think if we had a 1st round QB sitting on the bench for 3 years. Why not move on once Romo retires.

 

[ZeroClub]

Farve is a prima donna, so he is to blame.

The Packers front office couldn't handle a prima donna, so they are to blame.

I do believe that Jerry Jones would have handled this much better than did the Packers.

 

[Zaxor]

They talk about GB's future... well yeah I can predict sometime or other in the future they may be good... but when is that 2 years from now 4, 10, 20 meanwhile in the back of everybody's mind will be the nagging thought that they might have been able to win it this year...now there is NO chance...okay there is a chance but it is so minute that lotto odds seem like a sure thing.

 

[DallasDomination]

They talk about GB's future... well yeah I can predict sometime or other in the future they may be good... but when is that 2 years from now 4, 10, 20 meanwhile in the back of everybody's mind will be the nagging thought that they might have been able to win it this year...now there is NO chance...okay there is a chance but it is so minute that lotto odds seem like a sure thing.

There is always a chance...Look at the Giants last season, A average team with a a mediocre QB won it all. or look at the steelers when they won...Even something as simple as holding a field goal snap can go wrong..Just food for thought

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Imo, this is the point a lot of people are missing... Favre doesn't want to be in GB anymore. The question is why? The media spin coming out of GB from all of Favre's media buddies like Mort and Peter King, etc. is that his feelings are hurt and there have been too many negative stories, etc. etc.

But I believe the reason is much simpler than that. Favre was burned out last year. McCarthy demands too much out of Favre. McCarthy took the fun out of the game for Favre and that's not the way he wants to play. That's why he wants to go to the Vikes. I believe they let him know he can do it his way.

The most revealing comment in McCarthy's entire PC yesterday was when he said he asked Favre, "Will you be the guy, when I leave the building at night, will still be in the film room, getting ready for our next opponent?" McCarthy said Favre responded by saying, "I can't say I will".

That is what this whole thing is about, imo. Favre wants to play, but he wants to play on his terms and not have to work as hard each week as McCarthy demands.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Imo, this is the point a lot of people are missing... Favre doesn't want to be in GB anymore. The question is why? The media spin coming out of GB from all of Favre's media buddies like Mort and Peter King, etc. is that his feelings are hurt and there have been too many negative stories, etc. etc.

But I believe the reason is much simpler than that. Favre was burned out last year. McCarthy demands too much out of Favre. McCarthy took the fun out of the game for Favre and that's not the way he wants to play. That's why he wants to go to the Vikes. I believe they let him know he can do it his way.

The most revealing comment in McCarthy's entire PC yesterday was when he said he asked Favre, "Will you be the guy, when I leave the building at night, will still be in the film room, getting ready for our next opponent?" McCarthy said Favre responded by saying, "I can't say I will".

That is what this whole thing is about, imo. Favre wants to play, but he wants to play on his terms and not have to work as hard each week as McCarthy demands.

I think that part of that stems from the fact that Favre wanted more input into the game plans. Last year, there were several disagreements between McCarthy and Favre on the game plans and I think that this is McCarthy's way of saying, hey, if you want to have more input into game planning, then put in the time to research the teams and then we can talk. You can't just say, "Hey, this week I want to throw the ball more!", so to speak. There is a lot going on in Green Bay that people are not generally aware of. For example, the training regiment that Green Bay forced Favre into last offseason. They sent a personal trainer to work with Favre last offseason and he was, according to his own words, in the best shape of his life going into the season last year. According to reports, he was not really doing a lot of off season work the previous couple of off seasons and was not reporting to camp in good condition. Last season, they really worked him and he posted one of the best season, if not the best season of his entire career. This past off season, he did nothing to speak of. This, of course, could be spin but it is widely known that Green Bay did send a personal training to work with Favre last year so I don't know.

 

[MagicMan]

Ok, lets say we went 13-3 last season and made it to the Championship Game...... Tony ROmo decides he wants to be a celebrity and live with Jessica Simpson, and retires from football. When the start of training camp comes around he gets that itch back and wants to play again. Jerry Jones, Steven Jones, Wade Phillps all say Brad Johnson or Bartel is our guy. Romo will have to win his spot or even better do we want him back. So Jones fuels calls from teams such as the Rams, 49ers, and Bears. We end up trading him to the 49ers for a 5th rounder. Our fan base would absolutly be going ballistic if that happened. Im suprised the Packers nation isnt rioting right now. They were one game away from the Superbowl last year. It wasnt like they were 8-8. If you watch some of the highlites in the past week and seen some of the throws Favre made last year and if you think Rodgers or 90 percent of the QB's in this league can make those is ridiculus. The Packers just went from a 12-4 team to an 7-9 club. This season Ryan Grant will see 8 and 9 man fronts. Im not even a Packer fan and Ted Thompson and Mike Mccarthey irke me. I know some would say you need Rodgers for the future, but the future is now when your one game away from the Superbowl. I think you only say that when your medicore.


My question is this. If we didnt let Rodgers have an easy game last season against us do you think we would be talking about this today. Im saying if Rodgers doesnt play against us last season, the red carpert would of been laid out for Favre. All that Rodgers showed me was he did a good Jeff Garcia impression against us. He ran around alot and made a few plays out of it but like Garcia, hes not Superbowl material. Garcia can be good but not elite. In closing, its our fault all this is happening[S}. If we would of stuffed him last season when Favre got hurt we wouldnt of had to listen about this on Sportcenter/NFLNetwork etc everyday. Its all our fault(jk, well, maybe not(S))

I think you've brought up a good point....Thompson sees the Cowboys as the team to beat in the NFC, Favre has been a mere mortal against us for his career and he sure looked old in his last game in Texas Stadium. He saw Rodgers have better luck against our defense (not to say it will continue once we can gameplan against him).. Thompson also believes the Favre prior to last year is what he will get, not the one who had this very good season last year. And if that's the case, then why not start HIS guy.

Thompson drafted Rodgers so he is not going anywhere, and therefore he feels it is time to start him. It is all on Thompson. McCarthy had to be talked into taking the company line since coaches never think of the future at the expense of the present because they are measured in W-L. They can't afford to do that unless they are guaranteed they won't be fired---which I am sure Thompson promised.

So like it or not GB fans, per the FO, Favre is not the HOF Favre that all the media is eating up right now. He is the Favre that should of retired 4 or 5 years ago, and all of a sudden had a very good year with a team put together by this GM. And this GM doesn't think lightning will strike twice.

Oh, and as for Favre, better start looking at the Jersey real estate listings; that is if he's really interested in playing. If not, he can go back to Mississippi and this was all a dream.

 

[CowboyWay]

Your logic is flawed.

1. Get him back for 2 more seasons of adding to his INT total and checking out of running plays costing his team the game when it really counts. No thanks if I am the Packers.

2. Trade Aaron when you STILL dont know what he can do for you? Why draft him in the first place?

3. Brohm could be an option. I say see what Aaron has over 2 seasons time as a starter(if he can stay healthy enough) while Brohm learns from sideline.

How is it flawed? The packers are better with Brett Favre as their qb. Just wait and see. The packers fans get brett back, which is what they want, so they are happy.

If they would have sat brett down and said, give us two years committment and we will welcome you back with open arms, and help teach Brohm the ropes.

They could have traded Rodgers off to a number of teams, especially after his one good showing against dallas last year. Probably could have gotten a 2nd round pick for him from minny, baltimore, miami, etc.

And now you have Brohm, who is a very good prospect with 2 years to learn under favre.

Everyone wins. Favre gets to play, fans are happy, front office is happy, Rogers is happy cause he doesn't have to wait anymore, or play behind a legend when he retires.

Everyone wins.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

How is it flawed? The packers are better with Brett Favre as their qb. Just wait and see. The packers fans get brett back, which is what they want, so they are happy.

If they would have sat brett down and said, give us two years committment and we will welcome you back with open arms, and help teach Brohm the ropes.

They could have traded Rodgers off to a number of teams, especially after his one good showing against dallas last year. Probably could have gotten a 2nd round pick for him from minny, baltimore, miami, etc.

And now you have Brohm, who is a very good prospect with 2 years to learn under favre.

Everyone wins. Favre gets to play, fans are happy, front office is happy, Rogers is happy cause he doesn't have to wait anymore, or play behind a legend when he retires.

Everyone wins.

Even though its not popular to call Favre on his bad decisions and disguised "good old boy" diva-dom.

He is bad for Green Bay.