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Are the tests even valid?

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  1. Kevinicus

    Kevinicus Well-Known Member

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    Yep. I'm over it. Just return to normal with the exception of extra precautions for some.
     
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  2. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    If the numbers are cooked, then why are they done in such a way? Why not have the death totals much higher? The rise in cases does not seem surprising to me. There was an increase in testing. There was some steps to re-opening areas, which increases exposure. There were large scale protests. There were lots of factors. It seems logical that there are more cases. It also seems logical there is a slight rise in the number of deaths in a few areas within the U.S., but overall there is a steady decline in deaths across the country. If there was an intentional skewing of data, then the deaths would be increasing across the states or at least holding steady.
     
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  3. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    The overall number of people who have died this year on the planet is the same percentage as last year, the year before, etc.

    The number of healthy people under 80 who have died of Covid is virtually zero.
     
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  4. cml750

    cml750 Well-Known Member

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    It is much easier to claim a test was positive as witnessed by so many people receiving positive results when they never even took the test than it is to tie a death to the disease. You have to actually have someone die before you can call it a Covid death. In many instances they were calling all deaths Covid deaths when this first started and others did not separate died from Covid from died with Covid in cases of automobile accidents, heart attacks, etc....
     
  5. dragon_mikal

    dragon_mikal Fire Garrett

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    This is simply false and can be refuted with about 5 minutes of research.
     
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  6. pancakeman

    pancakeman Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't it need us as carriers to survive?
     
  7. jsb357

    jsb357 Well-Known Member

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    :hammer:
     
  8. Sarge

    Sarge Red, White and Brew... Moderator

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    One thing is accurate, the death rate and it’s headed in the right direction. The media can’t control that.
     
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  9. links18

    links18 Well-Known Member

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    Are all tests accurate? No. Do they make mistakes in the middle of the chaos of a pandemic? Yes. Are they finding cases now they weren't early on making it look like things are getting worse than they are? Possibly. Is the media wedded to panic porn? Yes. Do they have a partisan motive for that? Possibly. But there is still a real pandemic of a confounding novel virus that is still killing a lot of people. Even if most people recover, can you predict how your body will react to this thing? Doubtful. Do you have vulnerable people in your life?
     
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  10. Rustinpeace21

    Rustinpeace21 Well-Known Member

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    Texas had its peak number of deaths since the pandemic started, yesterday. I’d hardly call that the right direction.
     
  11. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    But the country as a whole is headed in the right direction. Texas needs to get the numbers down, but most of the other states were already trending downward. And even though Texas has achieved their peak, it is a relatively low peak so far. They have not come close to triple digits and hopefully don't reach that level. Arizona is doing worse. They are trending upwards and the last I saw they had 114 deaths today. As a country the peak based on a 7 day moving average was 2255 deaths a day. We are now averaging(7 days) 517 deaths a day. That is a significant drop. That is the right direction and hopefully it continues.
     
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  12. Rustinpeace21

    Rustinpeace21 Well-Known Member

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    I agree, but if more states keep reversing course, it’s going tough to maintain this 517 7 day moving average level. We’ll see.
     
  13. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    It may hold steady at between 500 and 600 per day for a little while, but I doubt we get close to 1000 per day again this summer.
     
  14. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    I have no reason to believe that there is widespread cases of people receiving positive test results when they never even took a test.
     
  15. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    At this point, I'm not so sure. They can justify anything these days.
     
  16. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    My neighbor is a doctor. He and his staff were questioning their lab company, which I believe is Quest.

    They sent in 10 swabs that were just quickly dashed under the tap water. 3 came back inconclusive. 4 came back negative. 3 came back positive.

    Another neighbor is a marathon runner and an attorney. He was exposed, so he went to get tested. The line was really long, and he had to leave. Got a call to tell him he was positive. Never even got tested.

    Things are amiss.
     
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  17. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    That doesn't mean it is widespread or actually happened for that matter. If you are going to believe those stories, then you have to believe stories from people who say they are covering up positive test results or testing the same person multiple times who tests negative in order to get the number for positive test results down. I personally don't believe any of those incidents are widespread, either and also doubt their validity.
     
  18. DasSchnitzel

    DasSchnitzel Well-Known Member

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    And yet other nations all over the world are seeing well under 1k cases per day, and in America, "the greatest country", we cant do better than tens of thousands of cases per day, and any attempt is "simply silly". Got it.
     
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  19. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Moderator

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    There simply was no entity to unify the country against the virus by doing the right things from mandating masks, to "strongly" enforcing social distancing, to testing and putting in place an effective tracing and tracking program. Some parts of the country did really well... Others have turned into a total cluster... Total cluster.

    Our country quite often starts out slow and gradually picks up speed and comes up strong at the end.

    But this turned into a cataclysmic screw-up by leaders at many levels.

    I SMH at the overall ineptitude exhibited by so many.
     
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  20. Sarge

    Sarge Red, White and Brew... Moderator

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    Interesting......
     

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