Are we going to be able to build a super bowl contender w/ Jayon and LVE?

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  1. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    Serious question. Logically, I'd say we almost have to dump both and start over at the LB position before we can build a super bowl D. Can those guys be a part of a top 5 D? Serious doubts here.
     
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  2. blumayne38

    blumayne38 Well-Known Member

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    Chill man they both are fine, we need to beef up the interior line
     
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  3. Diehardblues

    Diehardblues Well-Known Member

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    Doubtful

    LB might be my 1st round pick.
     
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  4. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    No, those guys wont be around the day we have a shot to be SB ready. Cant have a tough defense with Jaylon in the middle. And being a top draft pick someone else will pay LVE more than he is worth. Both guys need to go and go quickly.
     
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  5. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    Ummm.............No, they both suck. We need to beef up the interior line AND find 3 new linebackers. Wont happen in one year. 2 maybe 3 years until we can realistically have a top 5 D.
     
  6. Typhus

    Typhus Catching Catfish

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    The problem isnt just with JS and LVE, this entire defense has major issues.
    At least we started the rebuild with Gallimore and Diggs.
    Donovan Wilson might emerge as a 6th round steal.
    So there is hope.
    Lets see how Quinn addresses the cards he has been dealt, holding four deuces can win a round in poker.
     
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  7. Typhus

    Typhus Catching Catfish

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    Gallimore was a rookie, but he flashed, and I see a playmaker in the making here and Ive said since he was drafted that he reminded me of a young Leon Lett and I stand behind that still.
    I like that LL is his coach, its a nice pairing, and I agree that we need to keep going that route, drafting young DL, another hit is needed.
    This will be a very interesting draft,, I dont want to go there on this thread because the Mods will move it, since we are not allowed to post anything draft related so I will end it here.
     
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  8. slick325

    slick325 Well-Known Member

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    Sure, if the FO puts some quality DTs in front of them at both 3T AND 1T.
     
  9. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Moderator

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    They were both part of a top 8 unit 2 years ago with a DL that mostly stunk.
     
  10. jwitten82

    jwitten82 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe that year was the exception, just one year wonders
     
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  11. Mr_437

    Mr_437 Well-Known Member

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    Question: Does anybody think Jaylon or LVE is a dawg?

    The middle of the Cowboys defense is fragile and punch drunk. They have to bring in an anchor at NT first and foremost...then they need a true MLB, and last an enforcer at SS. Also a 3T is in order for the middle too. Nothing I saw from Gallimore or Hill would stop me from signing/drafting anyone.

    Two cents: Jaylon and LVE aren't tough enough to be MLB...they WILL backers.
     
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  12. Cebrin

    Cebrin Well-Known Member

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    We need a true WILL. If we have a true WILL, and beef the middle watch ooout. They can cover, and run. They're not dogs. We need a dog.
     
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  13. Cowfan75

    Cowfan75 Well-Known Member

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    LVE might make a play once in a great while. Jaylon is utter trash. So, no.
     
  14. NEODOG

    NEODOG 44cowboys22

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    I'll trade them both & a 2nd for #45 Bucs
     
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  15. Diehardblues

    Diehardblues Well-Known Member

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    Two risk injury draft picks further examples why this defense has been inept this era.

    We’ve either had bust, off field issues or injury risk high picks in 1st and 2nd rounds which has prevented this defense from further success.
     
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  16. GMO415

    GMO415 Well-Known Member

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    Sure as LVE sits on the training table and Jaylon is late to every play.
     
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  17. doomsday9084

    doomsday9084 Well-Known Member

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    There are a lot of problems. First off, LVE only plays half the time. Then you have Jaylon's contract. Before you even play a game you have some significant issues.

    I think with fantastically better line play and a generally better scheme that the two of them would be . . . . OK but they certainly aren't a strength.

    I will say this, I sure hope Dallas doesn't waste a high draft pick trying to fix the position. They have much bigger problems at DT, S and CB. I just don't think LB is as important as other positions nowadays where most downs are passing downs.

    I sure hope that Jerry doesn't give LVE an extension. Paying him 10m per year to recover from the 3 plays he was on the field is such a Jerry thing to do.
     
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  18. JoeKing

    JoeKing Diehard Zone Supporter

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    No, because the Jones boys neglect too many other positions. Safety and DT are two positions that need addressing every year.
     
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  19. Oz-of-Cowboy-Country

    Oz-of-Cowboy-Country Well-Known Member

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    With the players we have on defense we're better suited running the 3-4. Because LVE and J.Smith need three DT's in front of them to stop the run.

    So I say we trade DLaw, then make Anae and Gregory our 3-4 outside linebackers (putting LVE and JSmith inside). Gallimore and Hill could be our starting DE's in the 3-4, with another big body like Marvin Wilson at NT.

    Because if are moving forward with these two guys at LB in the 4-3, we'll never have a top ten defense against the run. And if you can't stop the run, you can't stop anything else.
     
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  20. McKDaddy

    McKDaddy Well-Known Member

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    no, they aren't fine. regardless of improving the play in front of them, poor play is still poor play.
     

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