Are we running the West Coast Offense now???

[Redball Express]

I'm sure you guys heard the comment by Madden in which he compared the play of Romo Sunday night to...err..JOE MONTANA..?!?

I've watched a replay of the game and I noticed very obviously a definite change in the rhythum of the offense and the similarity to the WEST Coast Offense when Romo is playing.

Short dink passes, intermediate slants with RAC.. quick delivery to the open receiver and spread the ball to everybody while running to keep the defense honest and controling the TP.

This style offense features passing that TO has excelled at his whole career..

..getting the ball to him often and early and let him get his touches to shakeup the dfense is how he was used in SF and Philly.

Opening up the rest of the offense to make a defense defend the whole field.

I'm not going to go crazy over pointing out the advantages of this..but did it seem to you guys that Romo and that offense Sunday was totally different than the Bledsoe run offense..?

This maybe the change that makes the OL look much better than it has been and hopefully will also signal the end to the conservative offenses that BP has insisted up since arriving here.

Romo has the intangibles to make it work if the offensive coaches can re-tool things with Tony R. in there.

Your thoughts..?

parcellswaterboy

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm sure you guys heard the comment by Madden in which he compared the play of Romo Sunday night to...err..JOE MONTANA..?!?

I've watched a replay of the game and I noticed very obviously a definite change in the rhythum of the offense and the similarity to the WEST Coast Offense when Romo is playing.

Short dink passes, intermediate slants with RAC.. quick delivery to the open receiver and spread the ball to everybody while running to keep the defense honest and controling the TP.

This style offense features passing that TO has excelled at his whole career..

..getting the ball to him often and early and let him get his touches to shakeup the dfense is how he was used in SF and Philly.

Opening up the rest of the offense to make a defense defend the whole field.

I'm not going to go crazy over pointing out the advantages of this..but did it seem to you guys that Romo and that offense Sunday was totally different than the Bledsoe run offense..?

This maybe the change that makes the OL look much better than it has been and hopefully will also signal the end to the conservative offenses that BP has insisted up since arriving here.

Romo has the intangibles to make it work if the offensive coaches can re-tool things with Tony R. in there.

Your thoughts..?

parcellswaterboy

We run some routs that are used in the WCO but then all teams do. Dallas is still using a 2 TE set which is not part of the WCO and we are still using a balance of run and pass which you don't see much of in a WCO

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Yeah it seems we are running a hybrid offense. A little of this and little of that..... keep them guessing....

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Well I like this offense because it utilizes every weapon possible, the only thing I would like to see is the Cowboys throwing Julius Jones the ball more....

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah it seems we are running a hybrid offense. A little of this and little of that..... keep them guessing....

That is pretty much the entire NFL. All teams are going to run routs that are commonly used in the WCO

 

[lspain1]

We really didn't go deep on the Panthers all night, but from what understood that was partly due to their approach. They doubled the WR's and left the middle more open. We'll see as we go. The defenses will adjust against a short passing game with more press coverage. Bledsoe was very vulnerable to this because he wouldn't pick up the hot reads and the receivers didn't have time to open deep. You do have to make the defense respect possibility of the big play even if you don't hit it very often.

 

[Yeagermeister]

We really didn't go deep on the Panthers all night, but from what understood that was partly due to their approach. They doubled the WR's and left the middle more open. We'll see as we go. The defenses will adjust against a short passing game with more press coverage. Bledsoe was very vulnerable to this because he wouldn't pick up the hot reads and the receivers didn't have time to open deep. You do have to make the defense respect possibility of the big play even if you don't hit it very often.

It also had to do with trying to get the ball out quicker so the oline doesn't have to block as long.

 

[hmcorp]

Teams gun for those throws to julius.

they watch him like a hawk.

they dont allow that stuff to happen.

they have seen that when he gets the ball without someone watching him...

he breaksi t big time.

everytime we throw to him someone is right on him.
we havent gotten him loose yet.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

A very good thread actually...

Like other posters have said that every team uses routes that are uniform all across the NFL no matter what type of offense they are running.

From my understaning, WCO offenses allow the receiver to make adjustments depending upon the type of situation, the corner playing up, the corner playing back... blah, blah, blah. It takes a smart QB and smart receivers to run.

But I love a "controlled passing game". Much more so than a "vertical passing game".

The Cowboys in the early 80's ran a very efficient controlled passing game but it wasn't a WCO.

I've said it before and I think it merits repeating... I think Romo is the smartest QB we've had back there since Aikman. You combine that with some athletic ability and this offense should be something that is feared.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I've watched a replay of the game and I noticed very obviously a definite change in the rhythum of the offense and the similarity to the WEST Coast Offense when Romo is playing.

The difference is Bledsoe release is greater than 5 seconds and Romo's release is less than 2.5 seconds (which is what it's supposed to be) The West Coast offense runs with quick passing too, though it doesn't make the Cowboys a West Coast offense, but a hell of a lot closer than it was! Genereally the West Coast offense uses the short pass in place of the run for ball control and Parcells (non-West Coast) uses the run for ball control. The Cowboys were 36 passes and 38 rushing which is 51% rushing.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Dallas doesn't run the WCO. The main thing to look for in the WCO is if they are running a lot of horizontal patterns. Dallas has horizontal patterns in their playbook, but they are mostly a vertical pass pattern offense.



YAKUZA

 

[sonnyboy]

I'm sure you guys heard the comment by Madden in which he compared the play of Romo Sunday night to...err..JOE MONTANA..?!?

I've watched a replay of the game and I noticed very obviously a definite change in the rhythum of the offense and the similarity to the WEST Coast Offense when Romo is playing.

Short dink passes, intermediate slants with RAC.. quick delivery to the open receiver and spread the ball to everybody while running to keep the defense honest and controling the TP.

This style offense features passing that TO has excelled at his whole career..

..getting the ball to him often and early and let him get his touches to shakeup the dfense is how he was used in SF and Philly.

Opening up the rest of the offense to make a defense defend the whole field.

I'm not going to go crazy over pointing out the advantages of this..but did it seem to you guys that Romo and that offense Sunday was totally different than the Bledsoe run offense..?

This maybe the change that makes the OL look much better than it has been and hopefully will also signal the end to the conservative offenses that BP has insisted up since arriving here.

Romo has the intangibles to make it work if the offensive coaches can re-tool things with Tony R. in there.

Your thoughts..?

parcellswaterboy

I'd say no. Just playing a QB with many of Montana's qualities.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's more of a timing offensive scheme IMO. Everything is on time. Heavy does of ball control using the running game. We are not throwing a lot of slants but we are using a variation of the timing offense in the patterns being run IMO. It's only one game but we will see how it works out. Romo doesn't have the arm that an Aikman did so he won't run the same kind of patterns we saw in the early 90s but the principles are the same in the passing game. The OL uses a lot of short sets, the QB uses a lot of 3 and 6 step drops and the ball is out quickly, on time. The thing I see more of in this offense then in the timing offense used in the 90s is Romo's freedom to use the scramble to his advantage. To me, this offense really reminds me of Hank Straham's offense he used to run with the Chiefs back in the 60s. Lots of simularities IMO. That offense used more short stuff to the backs. We use the TEs more in this respect but very simular in approach IMO.

 

[conner01]

im think a "controled passing game" is right on. not the wco because that system is hard to learn because the routes are not set before the play. it's kinda a read and react offense. ours are set plays but we used more short passes to help the oline. when we play teams without that pass rush i suspect we will go down field more. we did go down field some sunday but not with alot of seccess because they worked hard at taking that away

 

[tunahelper]

It was Romos' ability to find the middle of the field and his quick release that made the offense look that way. IMO

 

[Rush 2112]

With Bledsoe we ran the "stare at Terry Glenn for 5-8 seconds and then get drilled in the back and possibly fumble offense".

It's easy to confuse what we're doing with Romo to the WCO because he is involving all the weapons on offense.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The "No Name Offense"

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I don't believe we are....it just seems like it.

 

[Hostile]

A very good thread actually...

Like other posters have said that every team uses routes that are uniform all across the NFL no matter what type of offense they are running.

From my understaning, WCO offenses allow the receiver to make adjustments depending upon the type of situation, the corner playing up, the corner playing back... blah, blah, blah. It takes a smart QB and smart receivers to run.

But I love a "controlled passing game". Much more so than a "vertical passing game".

The Cowboys in the early 80's ran a very efficient controlled passing game but it wasn't a WCO.

I've said it before and I think it merits repeating... I think Romo is the smartest QB we've had back there since Aikman. You combine that with some athletic ability and this offense should be something that is feared.

Gonna agree with MW on his points parcellswaterboy. Especially that in bold.

I just want to point out one aspect of a WCO that we definitely are using and all teams do to an extent though it is featured in the WCO. When we threw it to TO on Sunday many times it was medium range throws after which he immediately made good yards after the catch (YAC). In coming back to the ball TO can get wide open. He then is so big and strong that he beats the defenders away and makes YAC. That's the theory of the WCO in principle.

Our other WRs and TEs usually are not coming back to the ball but are hit in stride in a controlled or timing pattern. In other words we are throwing to a spot we know is going to be open by the design of the play.

It's possible we used TO in the way we did to make him more comfortable. I truly don't know. Far be it form me to grouse about what works.

It's not a WCO however. One key missing ingredient is throws to the RBs just beyond the LOS. That may be the biggest difference.

All offenses run the same basic patterns for the receivers. It's really about timing and focus.

 

[rynochop]

It was Romos' ability to find the middle of the field and his quick release that made the offense look that way. IMO

I think so too, although i admit it did look a little WCO'ish. I like the idea of TO getting a lot of those short slants so he can RAC while hopefully letting Glenn having some opps deep.

I'm not ready to put Romo in the Ring of Honor yet...a lot of bad QB's have had really good games, but, he definitely has the talent around him to be great.

I was kinda surprised to see Parcells call him out on that INT in his PC. Since it, pretty much was NOT an INT. Oh well, probably doesn't want him to think he was perfect.