Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

[Concord]

Well if he matches up to the " foreign DNA" they found on her underwear, they have him dead to rights.

Yeah this really shouldn't be hard to prove.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

After reading some of the articles about this I had to wonder the same thing.

This quote doesn't make sense...

“He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional,” Suwat said. He said Karr told Thai interrogators that he picked JonBenet up at her school and brought her to the family’s basement

She was in her bed and someone took her down to the basement from her bedroom. Not from school...It was Christmas Day...There was no school.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14379566/?GT1=8404

I think I heard the Father say he has never seen the guy.

Also like you, why would the guy take the girl from school to her own house and basement.

NOT saying the guy did not do it, actually it would be a good thing if he did do it so they, the benet family, can have some little bit of closure.

 

[Big Dakota]

I saw this earlier.

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/jon060400.htm


Ramseys post vision of killer

By Jeffrey Leib
Denver Post Staff Writer

June 4 - John and Patsy Ramsey have posted on their Web site a composite sketch based on a psychic's vision of their daughter's killer.

"Have you seen this man? This man may have been in the Boulder area in December 1996," reads a statement under the sketch at www.ramseyfamily.com.

The drawing shows a man with high cheekbones, tight lips and a receding hairline.

"We firmly believe that this most horrible of killers will be caught based on information provided by people who care about right and wrong," the Web site says.

"Please help, so another innocent child will not be a victim and another family will not suffer unbearable grief."

Their 6-year-old daughter, JonBeneÚt, was found beaten and strangled in the basement of her parents' Boulder home Dec. 26, 1996.

On Saturday, Boulder police chief Mark Beckner declined to comment on the composite sketch.

Psychic Dorothy Allison reportedly came up with her vision of a suspect in the Ramsey murder during a television appearance about two years ago.

For decades, she had offered her services to police departments around the country. Allison, who lived in New Jersey, died in December. She was 74.

In early 1992, Allison was contacted to assist in the search for Heather Dawn Church, a 13year-old who had been abducted from her home in Black Forest, near Colorado Springs, and murdered.

Even before Church's body was found, Allison called in with information that later proved to be accurate about the suspect who eventually was charged with the girl's murder, according to police investigators. But they said Allison's information was not used during the investigation.

"In 30 years, I've never had accurate information from a psychic," a veteran law enforcement officer told The Denver Post in 1995. "But the information by Dorothy Allison was right on the money." Neither the Ramseys nor their publicists could be reached for comment. Ironically, lawyers for the couple criticized former Boulder police detective Linda Arndt last year for substituting her "psychic impressions" for solid evidence during an appearance on a network television show, after Arndt had left the police force.

Arndt was the first Boulder detective at the Ramsey house on Dec. 26, 1996.

That day, Arndt told John Ramsey and a family friend to search the house. In her television interview last September, Arndt said when she saw Ramsey carrying the body of his daughter up from the basement, "my mind exploded . . . I saw black with thousands of lights and everything I noted that morning that stuck out instantly made sense."

Attorneys for the Ramseys reacted quickly to Arndt's comments. "Her psychic impressions and "thousands of lights' are no substitute for evidence and do nothing to advance the search for JonBeneÚt Ramsey's killer," they said.

Holy smoke, that's him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Put a hat, sunglasses and a sig in his mouth and you have Dale Gribble.


UPDATED: 10:20 a.m. EDT, August 17, 2006
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[Big Dakota]

I don't know about you guys, but i think this psychic lady nailed it!!!

 

[Yeagermeister]

Holy smoke, that's him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Put a hat, sunglasses and a sig in his mouth and you have Dale Gribble.


UPDATED: 10:20 a.m. EDT, August 17, 2006
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CLICK PHOTO TO WATCH KARR'S ADMISSIONS

*In my Hank Hill voice* Boy I'll tell you what you are on to something there by God

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Ex-wife gives alibi for JonBenet suspect

LINK

 

[Big Dakota]

Ex-wife gives alibi for JonBenet suspect

LINK

This guy is obviously a nut job.

The Police lady on CNN said he will be brought back for booking, trial, etc... His wife said he studied these 2 cases and was with her at the time. The police lady on CNN talked about him maybe being linked to a case in Cali. He sounds to me like a guy that is maybe faking it for the attention.

 

[Concord]

Ex-wife gives alibi for JonBenet suspect

LINK

Oh boy...As we were saying before...He could be faking it.

As I said before if that wasn't a misquote about picking her up from school and taking her to the basement...It's BS...Because she was taken from her Bedroom...No question about it.

The DNA will tell the truth.

 

[Aikmaniac]

It's like the Black Dahlia all over again.

I say fry him anyway.

 

[ROMOSAPIEN9]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_86_4929054,00.html



Bill Johnson
email | bioAugust 19, 2006
I've had enough. So I will just come right out and say what others in this business apparently will not:
Mary Lacy, that's not your boy.

John Mark Karr as much killed JonBenet Ramsey as Mickey Mouse did. This is a fool's errand you're on, and it won't end pretty.

If you haven't noticed, the guy is a lunatic.

OK, my upbringing tells me that it is a lousy thing to say about anyone. So let me put it this way: He is the saddest of all sad cases, a delusional, completely whacked out, early-teen-girl-marrying sociopath who writes bad poetry to long-dead little girls.

Perhaps that's better.

What I'm saying is no different than anyone capable of reading a newspaper or watching a television is saying.

On CNN this morning, I swore the two anchors were going to fall over laughing after they ran for the 35th-something time the audio of John Mark Karr making his wild, "It was an accident" claim.

Most journalists in this town and across the globe have been falling over themselves trying not to - in the words of Mrs. Lacy - "rush to judgment" on this fool, all the while rupturing an intestine to keep from laughing.

Not me. I can barely get up off the floor.

I watched on TV Thursday as Mary Lacy stood on a big stage, flanked on each side by a line of stiff, grim-faced G-men and cops, solemnly speaking of the "exigent circumstances" that necessitated the man's arrest in Bangkok.

On the other channel is yet more footage of John Mark Karr, staggering, half-leaning and vacant-eyed, in to his press conference, looking like a poor Pee-wee Herman impersonator.

"I'm so sorry for what happened to JonBenet," he said.

Please.

Even the Bangkok police, notorious for arresting people whether they need arresting or not, reportedly figured it out early, that this Pee-wee was whack-o.

Even they knew John Mark Karr couldn't have picked up JonBenet from school on the day he says he killed her, it being Christmas and all.

Maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time I've fingered the wrong killer in this case. I still maintain I've got it at least half right.

Remember Tom Koby, the Boulder police chief at the time of the murder? He once went on TV and into the newspapers declaring he was about to hunt the killer down, that he or she wouldn't get away with it.

Call me cynical, but I don't think he had John Mark Karr in his cross hairs at the time.

Just for fun, let's say Mary Lacy has it right. Think of it.

It would make John Mark Karr the dumbest smart murderer who ever lived.

He somehow sneaked into what was then 755 15th St. in Boulder, figured out in which bedroom his "love," JonBenet was sleeping, got her downstairs unnoticed, fed her pineapple, drugged and sexually assaulted her before smashing her in the head and garroting her to death.

According to his account, such deliberation was done all "by accident."

Yet he is not done. He sits down and writes a ransom note. Maybe he did it before the pineapple thing. No matter. He scratches out a first draft. It isn't good enough.

He sits down and crafts a second one. He drops it and skedaddles.

It is a clean getaway, not a trace of John Mark Karr left behind. What's more, the coroner finds not a trace of either semen on or drugs in the girl.

Perfect crime.

And then what, 10 years later he comes clean? In Bangkok?

I'm not even waiting for the DNA tests to come back. I know the guy didn't do it.

How do I know?

Her name is Lara Knutson, the divorced wife of John Mark Karr and the mother of his children.

On Friday, she publicly said the guy was with her and the kids in Alabama on Christmas Day 1996, that they hardly had anything, much less money for a trip to Colorado.

Now, ex-wives will say and do a lot of things, but trust me, the last thing they'd ever do is risk jail time to provide your sorry backside with a phony alibi.

If I'm wrong, that is just dandy with me. DAs and cops on murder cases always tell you to just wait, that there are things they know that they just can't talk about right now.

They said the same thing in Boulder 10 years ago.

So go for it, Mary Lacy.

Being wrong again this time, though, does come with a heavy price.

On television the day of the arrest, you might remember, JonBenet Ramsey's relatives exulted over the news.

I felt sorry for them, fearful - if not certain - that once again because of blind overeagerness or sheer incompetence, Boulder authorities will disappoint them, scraping that unbearably painful 10-year-old wound.

The little girl's memory and the loved ones who survive her deserve knowing and peace, not this.

That the first time John Mark Karr ever steps foot in Boulder County will be the day Mary Lacy flies him in, well, that is simply sad and embarrassing. Not funny at all.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

*In my Hank Hill voice* Boy I'll tell you what you are on to something there by God

I'll never look at Dale the same.

How dare you ruin the greatest TV show ever invented!

But seriously, this whole thing just freaks me out. I try to avoid it as much as possible. That guy in Thailand looks about as wierd as wierd can be. The parents thought their kid was a 19 year old model at age 4. There is some media guy involved who was so infatuated with the trail he discovered the murderer.

I just stay away from this stuff.

 

[SouthernStar]

 

[jackrussell]

I was afraid this might be the case. The news just reported the DNA doesn't match from this guy with the evidence found at the crime scene.

NO LINK yet.

 

[CowboyPrincess]

Back to square 1

Charges Against JonBenet Ramsey Murder Suspect Dropped

Monday , August 28, 2006

BOULDER, Colo. — John Mark Karr will not be charged in the Christmas 1996 murder of 6-year-old beauty princess JonBenet Ramsey, prosecutors in the case confirmed Monday. Karr had been flown from Thailand to the U.S. after confessing to the murder two weeks ago.

A local NBC news affiliate in Denver reported earlier Monday that the DNA sample taken from Karr was not a match to the DNA found on JonBenet's body when she was murdered in 1996.

KUSA's report cited two sources in its report, but it did not name those sources, not did it identify if they were from law enforcement.

• Timeline: The JonBenet Ramsey Murder Investigation

Karr claims he was with JonBenet when she died and that her death was "an accident." He was extradited from Thailand to the United States to face charges and arrived last week in Boulder, where the crime took place 10 years ago.

Earlier in the day, Karr's attorney demanded that the state turn over all evidence related to DNA in the case Monday, just a few hours ahead of Karr first Colorado court appearance.

• More coverage available in FOXNews.com's Crime Center.

Among other things, Seth Temin's court filing asked for a clear description of any biological evidence, including how much is left and how it is being stored.

"Eventually in this case, a court will have to analyze the admissibility of DNA evidence and its alleged statistical results," the public defender wrote. "It appears that more than one laboratory handled or had custody of samples subjected to testing in this case and more than one expert has evaluated the samples and testing results."

Karr was scheduled to be in court Monday afternoon for a hearing expected to last only a few minutes — long enough for the judge to advise him of his rights and charges against him.

Temin has already challenged the results of any DNA testing involving his client, saying it was illegally obtained. Prosecutors have not confirmed if they performed DNA testing on Karr.

Temin and Steve Jacobson, a retired public defender, spent about three hours at the jail Sunday and declined to answer questions as they left. Temin has been aggressive in his short time on the case, winning approval of a gag order and making sure prosecutors and anyone else comes through him before talking with Karr.

He also joined prosecutors in opposing media requests to unseal the arrest affidavit, using capital letters to spell out his contention that releasing the details would violate Karr's right to a fair trial.

Jacobson is considered a DNA specialist, and DNA could be one of the major issues should Karr go to trial. Jacobson's name wasn't listed on Monday's court filing, but it focused on the rules and procedures of DNA testing, right down to definitions of false positives and "multi-probe genotypes."

The best-case scenario for prosecutors would be slam-dunk DNA evidence linking Karr to the Ramsey's former home, where JonBenet's beaten and strangled body was found by her father on Dec. 26, 1996.

Without it, experts say, it's much more difficult to build a strong murder case against the 41-year-old Karr, who has said he was there when the girl died but stopped short of an outright confession.

"In this day and age of shows like 'CSI' jurors not only want forensic evidence before they will convict a person, they demand it," said Robert Hirschhorn, a jury consultant based in Dallas.

Forensics expert Henry Lee and former prosecutor Bob Grant, both involved in the Ramsey investigation, have said some of the DNA collected at the scene was mixed or contaminated.

Investigators have said DNA was found in blood spots on JonBenet's underwear, but a Ramsey family attorney said two years ago it didn't match any of the 1.5 million samples in an FBI database at the time. Other DNA recovered under the girl's fingernails is degraded, Grant said.

Other physical evidence includes a ransom note, the garrote used to strangle the girl, a boot print found outside the Ramsey house and some indications an intruder could have entered through a basement window.

JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, were initial targets of a grand jury investigation that ended with no indictments. Patsy Ramsey died in June after learning authorities had turned their attention to Karr, who was living in Thailand when he was detained earlier this month.

Scott Robinson, a Denver attorney familiar with the case, said prosecutors may end up attacking the police investigation for the alleged contamination of the DNA evidence.

Prosecutors can overcome police mistakes with solid work, said Grant, a former Adams County district attorney who served as an adviser on the case in the 1990s.

"I've never seen a case in trial where the defense didn't find something to attack the investigation about in terms of technical investigative techniques, and I've never seen an investigation that was perfect," Grant said. "If there's DNA able to be matched to him, then the mistakes are of little or no consequence."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

 

[jackrussell]

There were things from the beginning that just didnt seem to match up.

Said he drugged her, yet no drugs were found in her body.

Said he raped her, but there were no signs of any sex act.

Sick media hog this ******* is.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

There were things from the beginning that just didnt seem to match up.

Said he drugged her, yet no drugs were found in her body.

Said he raped her, but there were no signs of any sex act.

Sick media hog this ******* is.

I guess he gets a million dollar book deal now. Played them like a fiddle, didn't he?

I usually try to stay away from this sensationlist crime stuff, but I heard a reporter say something the other day that was interesting. Apparently, there was a ransom note at the scene of the crime that asked for the exact amount of the father's bonus that year. Sounds like a pretty big coincidence if it doesn't relate to the family or someone who knew them well.

 

[AbeBeta]

Sick media hog this ******* is.

And how about those folks who arrested him? There were reports in the less mainstream media (e.g., NPR) about how many aspects of this arrest didn't add up-- from day 1.

There are lots of sick media hogs out there -- the true crime is that the police gave him the platform.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I guess he gets a million dollar book deal now. Played them like a fiddle, didn't he?

I usually try to stay away from this sensationlist crime stuff, but I heard a reporter say something the other day that was interesting. Apparently, there was a ransom note at the scene of the crime that asked for the exact amount of the father's bonus that year. Sounds like a pretty big coincidence if it doesn't relate to the family or someone who knew them well.

I wonder about a book deal.

There is some sort of law in place, Son of Sam law, that prevents murderers from making money off of book or movie deals, however not sure if it applies to someone like this who confessed to a murder they did not do.

 

[AbeBeta]

I wonder about a book deal.

There is some sort of law in place, Son of Sam law, that prevents murderers from making money off of book or movie deals, however not sure if it applies to someone like this who confessed to a murder they did not do.

What sort of book is he going to write? Something about being mentally ill?

The dude just isn't right in the head -- folks are giving him way too much credit -- I doubt he's trying to get rich here -- he's just insane.

 

[jackrussell]

And how about those folks who arrested him? There were reports in the less mainstream media (e.g., NPR) about how many aspects of this arrest didn't add up-- from day 1.

There are lots of sick media hogs out there -- the true crime is that the police gave him the platform.

Yeah. That's the true crime alright.