Article: Amazing Disgrace (Quincy Carter)

[silverbear]

I agree. As long as he's blaming others for things when he was clearly in the wrong, he's not really ready to succeed.

Quincy's likeable enough, he just seems to be a natural loser who just happens to have some pretty fair athletic skills and thinking and decision-making just aren't among his strong suits.

I wish him well but I'm not optimistic. If he does come back and perform well and stay clean, he'll have earned my respect and admiration; it isn't going to be easy.

That right there is the FAIREST criticism of Quincy I've ever read... well said...

 

[junk]

Quincy had to go after that, but this knee-jerk need to trash his play is revisionist history...

Quincy's best year:

2003 DAL 16 292 505 57.8 3302 6.5 17 64 21 71.4

A sub 60% completion percentage. More ints than TDs. A 71.4 QB rating.

What about that is "good"?

It isn't knee jerk revisionist history? It is a fair look at what he accomplished. Nothing.

He sucked. Plain and simple yet people cling to the perception that he was above average.

 

[silverbear]

Quincy's best year:

2003 DAL 16 292 505 57.8 3302 6.5 17 64 21 71.4

A sub 60% completion percentage. More ints than TDs. A 71.4 QB rating.

What about that is "good"?

It isn't knee jerk revisionist history? It is a fair look at what he accomplished. Nothing.

He sucked. Plain and simple yet people cling to the perception that he was above average.

A QB who looks downfield is gonna have a lower completion percentage than a dink and dunk passer will...

An inexperienced QB will throw too many ints... that is what dragged his quarterback rating down more than anything, and I argued LONG before I ever heard of Quincy Carter that the biggest flaw in the QBR formula was that it put too much emphasis on the percentage of ints...

Finally, as to what's good about those numbers, that's easy-- 3302 yards passing, the sixth highest total in team history (at the time)... we're talking about a team that had played over 40 years at that point... that's pretty good, actually, for a guy who at that point had started all of 15 games over 2 seasons...

Like I said, the Cowboys considered those numbers good enough that he was the undisputed starter the following season, until he got himself cut for drugs... maybe you're unimpressed, but they felt a little more positive about him... excuse me if I'm inclined to accept their opinion over yours...

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize him-- right now, I'm most annoyed at him for the reason Hos went off on him, his constant attempts to pass the blame off for his failures onto others-- but to suggest he played badly for the Boys is quite asinine...

 

[Chrissyboy]

Well said Hos.

I don't wish him pain and hardship - but he wasted a chance in a million and then abused the people who gave it to him - I have no real sympathy for the man.

I felt sorry for him at the start of the article, showing some humility and accepting blame......but then it all shone through....he just does not get it!

I'm sick of people in the world continuously blaming others for their own stupidity! He needs to get a grip of reality if he is ever going to succeed.

Silver.....if he really was that good, we'd have helped him through that period but the fact is that he was average at best. I have never looked back and thought ...."What if?"

 

[silverbear]

Well said Hos.

I don't wish him pain and hardship - but he wasted a chance in a million and then abused the people who gave it to him - I have no real sympathy for the man.

I felt sorry for him at the start of the article, showing some humility and accepting blame......but then it all shone through....he just does not get it!

I'm sick of people in the world continuously blaming others for their own stupidity! He needs to get a grip of reality if he is ever going to succeed.

Silver.....if he really was that good, we'd have helped him through that period but the fact is that he was average at best. I have never looked back and thought ...."What if?"

I think at that point in time, Jerry was so averse to swallowing any more negative publicity that Quincy had to go, even if he'd made the Pro Bowl the year before... for that matter, if Tony Romo flunked a piss test this week (God forbid), Jerry would probably cut him ASAP...

I'll accept "average" as a characterization of his play, not "average at best"... at the time, I recognized his flaws, but from where I sat, they were flaws of inexperience, which could be minimized with more playing time... IOW, I don't think that "average" was the ceiling on his potential... and if the guy could reach "average" that early in his career, I don't see that as a bad thing...

I said it at the time, I saw a lot of Steve McNair in him... if it hadn't turned out that he lacked the discipline to stay away from the weed, I still believe he might have developed into a legitimate NFL-caliber starter, one the Boys could have won with...

Which is why I was so ANGRY with him when I saw that glassy-eyed picture of him that awful day... I mean, I would have knocked him out if I could have gotten within arm's range of him... so I can regret what might have been, even as I accept unconditionally that he had to go...

I'd suggest that most of those (Hos specifically excepted, I respect what he had to say) who are now so savagely critical of him didn't like him even when he was the Cowboys' starter... yeah, I'd say the vast majority of them were Quincy haters long before he screwed up and got himself cut... we all know there were a lot of folks nurturing a downright irrational hatred of the guy right from the start of his Cowboys career...

I will agree with ALL the critics that it's infuriating that one second, he'll pay lip service to accepting responsibility for his shortcomings, then turn around and blame others for it... that is a defect in character, IMO...

 

[Zaxor]

I think at that point in time, Jerry was so averse to swallowing any more negative publicity that Quincy had to go, even if he'd made the Pro Bowl the year before... for that matter, if Tony Romo flunked a piss test this week (God forbid), Jerry would probably cut him ASAP...

I'll accept "average" as a characterization of his play, not "average at best"... at the time, I recognized his flaws, but from where I sat, they were flaws of inexperience, which could be minimized with more playing time... IOW, I don't think that "average" was the ceiling on his potential... and if the guy could reach "average" that early in his career, I don't see that as a bad thing...

I said it at the time, I saw a lot of Steve McNair in him... if it hadn't turned out that he lacked the discipline to stay away from the weed, I still believe he might have developed into a legitimate NFL-caliber starter, one the Boys could have won with...

Which is why I was so ANGRY with him when I saw that glassy-eyed picture of him that awful day... I mean, I would have knocked him out if I could have gotten within arm's range of him... so I can regret what might have been, even as I accept unconditionally that he had to go...

I'd suggest that most of those (Hos specifically excepted, I respect what he had to say) who are now so savagely critical of him didn't like him even when he was the Cowboys' starter... yeah, I'd say the vast majority of them were Quincy haters long before he screwed up and got himself cut... we all know there were a lot of folks nurturing a downright irrational hatred of the guy right from the start of his Cowboys career...

I will agree with ALL the critics that it's infuriating that one second, he'll pay lip service to accepting responsibility for his shortcomings, then turn around and blame others for it... that is a defect in character, IMO...

I honestly think that "Average at best" is well suited to him my friend he averaged 6.5 yards a completion in his best statistical year...that to me is not looking down field that is closer to dink and dunk... Steve young avg 8.0 and Montana 7.5 those two were in a dink and dunk offense.... but regardless of YPA he got opportunities to throw the ball that year to the tune of 505 times... Can you name me another QB in the history of the Dallas Cowboys who throw for 505 or more attempts and didn't beat out Q's yardage number. that 3302 yard number is just garbage when taken in context. imho

 

[TwoDeep3]

Bear, you and I go way back. I love ya man.

But for you to still be defending Quincy is truly an amazing thing.

He is a mutt. Clearly nothing special. His accuracy was suspect, and his work ethics were too. He had a ten cent head on a ten cent body. He ignored learning the new routes and blamed it on the friggin receivers.

He never stood up like a man, and now he points fingers at the team that gave him his celebrity, more money than you or I will earn in a lifetime, and the keys to the most storied franchise in pro football.

Last I heard, no one from the team put the joint in his hands.

He was a wasted pick. A wasted era.

And no amount of soft soaping his career will erase the stain he left on this franchise.

I have no feeling what-so-ever about this guy's rehab and becoming a successful citizen. If he grows up and learns from his mistakes, then perhaps he can turn his life around.

But there is no way this wastrel will ever be in the NFL again.

And at some point in the future. And not so long into the future. He will be getting a job like the rest of us, and be rewriting history to his grandkids about his glory days.

This story is over, Bear.

Thank G_D!

One last point. I was a staunch Quincy defender up until the Arizona game when he threw 4 interceptions and two in the same spot on the field, then yelled at Jerry Jones on the sidelines.

After that, I had no use for him.

He is where he deserves to be,

 

[eduncan22]

You can do this, man.

 

[Bleu Star]

despite all that happened, i wish him all the best, and hope he can turn his life back around one way or another.

Me too.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I hung out all day with Quincy Carter mother at training camp......she bought us lunch and a Cowboys shirt........I still feel bad for Quincy but also his mother........what a shame!

Quincy was a very nice person and so was his mom.........

 

[burmafrd]

Silver, if Quincy was that good then Bledsoe is a HOF guy right now.
And Romo is on his way to GODHOOD.

 

[ZeroClub]

People are talking past each other here, IMO.

Silver seems to be saying that Carter had the potential to be an above average QB (but that potential was not developed).

Others seem to be saying that Carter's actual on the field performance wasn't impressive.

I think both camps are right.

Carter was a modestly successful bus-driver QB for a short period of time.

He might well have developed into a better player had he not killed his own career with a series of poor off the field decisions.

 

[burmafrd]

I see nothing in anything he has ever done to think that he could have been more then a journeyman at best. With a QB its about 65% mental and Q never had much there at all. He just does not have a strong enough personality to ever excell.

 

[ZeroClub]

I see nothing in anything he has ever done to think that he could have been more then a journeyman at best. With a QB its about 65% mental and Q never had much there at all. He just does not have a strong enough personality to ever excell.

There were some aspects of his performance that were promising. His legs were good - very mobile. He threw fairly well on the run. He had arm strength, and had he developed a little more accuracy, he might have been good delivering the ball.

If somebody had successfully implanted Joe Montana's brain in Quincy's head, Carter could have been great.

 

[cobra]

"If I'd never picked up pot I'd still be playing for the Cowboys,"

"Isn't that funny?" Carter says with a seemingly unbefitting laugh. "Look at how it went down. And somehow I lost? I don't know, man, it's just funny. God tells us to forgive and I'm doing my best, but what the Cowboys did to me...it's tough to swallow."
.....
With charges pending, Carter says only of the incident, "Let's just say the police didn't handle things the right way."

"No doubt in my mind I will be back in the NFL."

That worthless P.O.S. doesn't deserve our well wishes and these quotes prove that.

He still is blaming others.

He still refuses to accept that his performance was a problem.

He still acts like if he had never smoked pot, he would be in a Pro Bowl qb with the Cowboys still.

Until that worthless waste of human space and talent accepts the facts that his on the field performance and off the field performance both contributed to his downfall, and that both of those things are his fault and his fault only, then he has not repented, and repentance is the prerequisite for our empathy and respect.

 

[dfense]

Hard to feel bad for a guy who had it all and just pissed it away. He signed a 5 million contract just a couple years ago. Yet he doesn't have a car or $500 to get out of jail? That says alot.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

That worthless P.O.S. doesn't deserve our well wishes and these quotes prove that.

He still is blaming others.

He still refuses to accept that his performance was a problem.

He still acts like if he had never smoked pot, he would be in a Pro Bowl qb with the Cowboys still.

Until that worthless waste of human space and talent accepts the facts that his on the field performance and off the field performance both contributed to his downfall, and that both of those things are his fault and his fault only, then he has repented, and repentance is the prerequisite for our empathy and respect.

 

[4lifecowboy]

I'll just say this I wonder how many of you posters would live up to the standards you seem to judge this man by. He is human and human is to error. Look at Irvin who has done far worst things off field, yet is he held in higher reguard because he was more productive?

 

[cobra]

I'll just say this I wonder how many of you posters would live up to the standards you seem to judge this man by. He is human and human is to error.

Don't give me that BS.

Why don't we just open up all of our prisons and let everyone run around? After all, all humans make mistakes, so who are we to judge?

I'll make sure all the death row inmates and child molesters move to your block since you are so understanding that human frality must be forgiven.

Screw that noise.

I can live up the standards I'm holding this worthless POS up to. That is, I haven't pissed away my life, and I don't blame others instead of taking personal responsibility when I screw things up.

If the guy honestly accepted the fact that this poor performance on the field and off is his fault and his fault only, and fully accepted that he has no one to blame in this world but himself, then I would acknowledge that repentance and not feel he is a worthless scumbag.

But until he does that, he is worthless in the platonic sense. He is a sorry person who tried to blame his failures on us, the fans, by accusing us of all being racist. He blamed the franchise for doing what any sane franchise would do. He is now blaming the police for doing their job.

There is such thing as a concept of moral worth. We, as moral human beings, have the ability to and the obligation to make moral judgments in life. We establish mores by what we esteem and condemn. And if we esteem this punk without his acceptance of personal responsibility instead of condemn him, then we engage in an act of intellectual and moral disarmanent.

So take your namby-pamby nonsense about how we all make mistakes and seriously think how absurd this world would be if we truly accepted that bit of fluff and refused to ever condemn anyone else.

 

[Silverstar]

Hopefully, Jerry will remember this on draft day when he gets another wild hair.

My thoughts exactly.