Article: NFL? Save pity for true heroes

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NFL? Save pity for true heroes
Pros, injured or not, know risks of their profession

by Mike Downey

June 14, 2007

It is no longer enough that you praise professional football players. Now you are being asked to pity them.

You paid for the tickets that paid for their salaries. You were willing to revel in their successes as well as to tolerate their failures, their excesses and their sins.

Now you are being asked to extend your public sympathy and support to out-of-work entertainers who played with a ball for your amusement.

You are expected to wring your hands over the ordeal of poor professional athletes who got banged up on the job.

Show me a truck driver, a teacher, a firefighter, a flight attendant, a clerk, a cook, a health-care worker and I will show you a person who performed a public service, a person who did more for the public's well-being than run and play catch, a person who did more for a lot less.

No one is obligated to play football for money. You don't go into pro football because you were unable to find a better job. You go into it because it is lucrative and a pleasurable activity and you are exceptionally good at it, the same way that you would go into singing or dancing.

If you play football for money, chances are you had most or all of your education paid for by somebody other than your own kin. You were subsidized for multiple years and afforded a chance to qualify for a secondary occupation that could carry you and your family through the remaining 30 to 50 years of your adult life beyond a locker room.

If you play football for money, you understand all the risks. You are fully aware from your first day at work that physical deterioration will be yours for today, for tomorrow and for the rest of your natural-born life. You are free to spend some of your income on an insurance policy to protect yourself against all future expense and hardship.

If you play football for money, you know for a fact that you cannot expect to do so beyond your 40th birthday. There is a pretty fair chance that you will not be equipped or entitled to do so past your 30th.

If you found yourself injured on the job, you merely would be in the 99 to 100 percent bracket of a profession that requires one of two things of every participant: Hit or be hit.

It is impossible to make a career of football without knowing that your limbs are going to be broken or bent. It is a given that at some point in your professional life, a superior is going to ask you to endanger your health and welfare for the sake of your team. It is your prerogative to say no.

Anybody who sacrificed his body for the purpose of playing in a game is to be commended for his bravery but certainly not for his common sense. He did so of his own free will. If he faced danger, well, so did a man or woman who ran into a burning home with a hose or taught school in a mean part of town.

The plight of professional football veterans is being presented to the public as if they were discussing bedridden military survivors at Walter Reed. A dispute between a workmen's union and a number of its former laborers is being elevated by means of a public forum into a crisis that concerns us all.

If onetime professional athletes care to become private benefactors and raise funds for peers in dire straits, fine, let them. People do tend to take care of their own kind.

How this suddenly became a debate for the masses, however, is beyond comprehension. Each new day in this recent discussion of the NFL Players Association and its infighting brings a new public outcry, one either calling for the chastisement of these poor souls' guild representation or insinuating that the needy are overstating their needs.

So many worldwide causes exist that are more deserving of our attention than his one. The disabilities and retirement benefits of men who played football … these are the matters that warrant citizens' concern? We need to educate the populace further on the unhealthful hazards of sports?

Workers get hurt every day in every way. Some have companies that look out for them. Some pay dues to unions and count on being looked after when the time comes. Football players traditionally have fallen into both these classifications, with, as with most of the American work force, mixed results.

The stories of NFL alumni such as that of 35-year-old Brian DeMarco are being told and retold as if there were something the rest of us could do about it.

These predicaments should be of no more importance to you than those of a boxer whose memory is foggy or a runner whose shins are shot. It is their worry, not yours. No one forced them to box or run.

Football players live the rest of their lives with surgical scars and protracted pain. It has been this way since God invented grass and cows to make leather. If a former football laborer has a bone to pick with his erstwhile employer or union, that is a personal matter and not your worry.

Possibly the NFL's players union will augment health benefits to its brethren. Possibly it won't. Beyond these two sides of the football, why should anyone else care?

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...wney,1,2858541.column?coll=cs-bears-headlines
 

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Seems crude, but alot of what he says has merit.

I do think, though - that jobs which are inherently dangerous and damaging to the body, generally have good retirement programs for those who got busted up. (I'm thinking fire fighters, things like that...maybe I'm off base).

I think it's sad in general that health care is such an issue - looking on a grander scale than just football players, and that grandma having to choose between eating and medication is a bit more of an atrocity than some guys who willingly destroyed their bodies not getting enough support from their former employers. Maybe move to Canada?

I doubt the players union does much more to help the older players than they already are doing. Not unless they can bargain alot more money down from the owners.
 

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superpunk;1528219 said:
Seems crude, but alot of what he says has merit.

I do think, though - that jobs which are inherently dangerous and damaging to the body, generally have good retirement programs for those who got busted up. (I'm thinking fire fighters, things like that...maybe I'm off base).

I think it's sad in general that health care is such an issue - looking on a grander scale than just football players, and that grandma having to choose between eating and medication is a bit more of an atrocity than some guys who willingly destroyed their bodies not getting enough support from their former employers. Maybe move to Canada?

I doubt the players union does much more to help the older players than they already are doing. Not unless they can bargain alot more money down from the owners.

Universal health care is not what it is cracked up to be. Have you ever been in the emergency room? It takes FOREVER to get seen there. Universal health care will make it 10 times worse. Ask a Canadian how good it is, one of my freinds who lives there says it takes forever to get something taken care of.
 

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sacase;1528236 said:
Universal health care is not what it is cracked up to be. Have you ever been in the emergency room? It takes FOREVER to get seen there. Universal health care will make it 10 times worse. Ask a Canadian how good it is, one of my freinds who lives there says it takes forever to get something taken care of.

I guess that would all depend. Is it better to wait forever for something, or not be able to get it at all? Your perspective likely depends on whether or not you can afford health care, lol.

I'm hardly qualified to speak on that, I was just spitballing about some real tragedies, things that make you cringe - things a little more "real" than some ex-football players who willingly destroyed their bodies. Just trying to get where the writer was coming from.

I believe the union is providing for the ex-players to some extent. But from what I've read about the ex-lpayers current movement (some of them) appear to be attempting to extort money from the NFL - It's gotten huge, and they want some of that pie as founders, perhaps?
 

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superpunk;1528242 said:
I guess that would all depend. Is it better to wait forever for something, or not be able to get it at all? Your perspective likely depends on whether or not you can afford health care, lol.

I'm hardly qualified to speak on that, I was just spitballing about some real tragedies, things that make you cringe - things a little more "real" than some ex-football players who willingly destroyed their bodies. Just trying to get where the writer was coming from.

I believe the union is providing for the ex-players to some extent. But from what I've read about the ex-lpayers current movement (some of them) appear to be attempting to extort money from the NFL - It's gotten huge, and they want some of that pie as founders, perhaps?

Honestly I think it is jealousy. They see all the money that even the not so good players are making and they want a piece of the pie.

My question is this. Who is really responsible for football being so popular? When did football really become a big deal?
 

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superpunk;1528219 said:
Seems crude, but alot of what he says has merit.

I do think, though - that jobs which are inherently dangerous and damaging to the body, generally have good retirement programs for those who got busted up. (I'm thinking fire fighters, things like that...maybe I'm off base).
I agree the article has alot of merit. But I also think that people should get out of comparing everything sometimes. Everybody's problems are important to them. Their problems and issues are just as important to them as yours (not meaning you, specifically) are to you.
I think it's sad in general that health care is such an issue - looking on a grander scale than just football players, and that grandma having to choose between eating and medication is a bit more of an atrocity than some guys who willingly destroyed their bodies not getting enough support from their former employers. Maybe move to Canada?

I doubt the players union does much more to help the older players than they already are doing. Not unless they can bargain alot more money down from the owners.
Jamie Dukes talked about his a bit on NFLN and one of the things he said is that generally you get health care insurance for about 5 years after your retirement. The problem comes when that insurance expires. He says the biggest problem he has is that for big guys like him 300+, he doesn't qualify for insurance on his own.

He said when it comes to filing for disability, the committee uses some arbitrary number to determine how disable you should be before you're eligible for benefits. For instance, they may say you should be 70% disabled, and then after you and your records have been examined by their assigned medical professionals, they can come back and deny you by saying you're only 62% disable. Then what are you supposed to do.
 

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WoodysGirl;1528250 said:
I agree the article has alot of merit. But I also think that people should get out of comparing everything sometimes. Everybody's problems are important to them. Their problems and issues are just as important to them as yours (not meaning you, specifically) are to you.
Jamie Dukes talked about his a bit on NFLN and one of the things he said is that generally you get health care insurance for about 5 years after your retirement. The problem comes when that insurance expires. He says the biggest problem he has is that for big guys like him 300+, he doesn't qualify for insurance on his own.

He said when it comes to filing for disability, the committee uses some arbitrary number to determine how disable you should be before you're eligible for benefits. For instance, they may say you should be 70% disabled, and then after you and your records have been examined by their assigned medical professionals, they can come back and deny you by saying you're only 62% disable. Then what are you supposed to do.

I am curious as the what diability catagory the government assigns them. My ex's mother had a stroke, she walks with a cane, has slurred speach, can barely use one arm, and it took 4 years for her to be declared perminently disabled. I am willing to bet that many of these guys are not disabled as we know it.
 

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sacase;1528247 said:
My question is this. Who is really responsible for football being so popular? When did football really become a big deal?

If you really need to pin it down, my guess would be Bobby Hebert.

WoodysGirl;1528250 said:
I agree the article has alot of merit. But I also think that people should get out of comparing everything sometimes. Everybody's problems are important to them. Their problems and issues are just as important to them as yours (not meaning you, specifically) are to you.
Jamie Dukes talked about his a bit on NFLN and one of the things he said is that generally you get health care insurance for about 5 years after your retirement. The problem comes when that insurance expires. He says the biggest problem he has is that for big guys like him 300+, he doesn't qualify for insurance on his own.

He said when it comes to filing for disability, the committee uses some arbitrary number to determine how disable you should be before you're eligible for benefits. For instance, they may say you should be 70% disabled, and then after you and your records have been examined by their assigned medical professionals, they can come back and deny you by saying you're only 62% disable. Then what are you supposed to do.

That is a bizarre system. Being a percent disabled doesn't really make sense. But it is the current players union's discretion to help these guys (or not) and they are at least doing something. That's more than alot of people can say.

Alot of people only made it to the college level, and now don't even have knees anymore. They're not getting any help. It's a shame, but when you play, you know what we're getting into.

It is kind of pointless to compare what people have decided to care about. It's bizarre that people cared so much about Barbaro, but there it is... If people want to be worried about these old players, that's fine too.
 

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sacase;1528257 said:
I am curious as the what diability catagory the government assigns them. My ex's mother had a stroke, she walks with a cane, has slurred speach, can barely use one arm, and it took 4 years for her to be declared perminently disabled. I am willing to bet that many of these guys are not disabled as we know it.
I would agree with that.

One of the things he mentioned was that the problems don't arise right away. So while you can walk away fine and the first few years ok. It's those later years that players have to be concerned about. And that's the crux of the issue between retired players and the NFLPA. How many years after play can you contribute a health issue to football? What health issue would fall under a football disability? It's only just recently that dementia and other mental and psychological problems have been identified.

I would imagine prior to the past 5-10 years, the only disabilities that were taken care of were the obvious physical problems. Now, it's another level and the NFLPA is only now able to really address it.
 

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I think that if you are part of something, you have a responsibility not only for the present, but the past and future as well. Now that there is plenty of money, its time to take care of the past and prepare for the future.
 

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Being crippled as regards knees, back, etc has been known for a long time. Its the concussion/neurological problems that are now just getting acknowledged- thought that ALSO has been around for more then a few years. Its common sense- if boxers have problems like that- and THAT has been known for 30-40 years- why should it come as a suprise that football players that had a number of concussions, etc are haveing the SAME problem?
 

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burmafrd;1528307 said:
I think that if you are part of something, you have a responsibility not only for the present, but the past and future as well. Now that there is plenty of money, its time to take care of the past and prepare for the future.

Why? Beyond raising their pensions by the annual cost of living increase why should they?

My grandfather spend 24+ years in the military. His retirement check is a lot less than someone who retired this year. He fought in 2 wars and has had his knee replaced twice, not scoped, replaced.

So I am sorry but I don't feel that they "need to be taken care of" just because the league is making more money. Especially when people who actual served this country do not get anything more than a cost of living raise in their retirement pension.

If these guys are so concerned about medical coverage get a freaking job. I have had 5 football related surgeries and I have had no problems getting insured by the company I work for.

The more I hear about this the less sympathy I have for them. They have options, they just want someone else to pay so they can live in comfort. Sorry not buying it.
 

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If this guy thinks this is for football, namely the NFL to worry about and worry about it alone, then why is he taking his time to worry about me worring about it.

HE sould stop telling people what to worry about or not worry about. Wasn't that the crux of his article? Do worry about what shouldn't be your worry?

Sounds like a bitter geek that doen't like sports.
 

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It is true that former PROFESSIONAL athletes have a hard time getting health insurance. Its not just pro football players.
True that the article seemed to have some PERSONAL animosity to it.
This whole thing is about the NFL, owners and Players, taking care of this. There has been no suggestion about anyone else. So why this putz seemed to feel the need to whine about it, I don't know.
 
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