Article: Rogers has no appreciation of limits (recklessness of NFL players)

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Rogers has no appreciation of limits

June 13, 2007

BY DREW SHARP

FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

I don't know what Shaun Rogers did -- or didn't do -- in the dressing room of a Detroit strip club last Friday.

And, quite frankly, I don't really care.

Detroit police are investigating a complaint from a 20-year-old woman who worked as a stripper at the club that the Lions' Pro Bowl defensive tackle forcibly groped her. No formal charges have been filed.

Who knows? Nothing may come of it.

But no matter what happens, the whole thing is tiresome. Another story about another athlete finding himself in a situation that could have been avoided if he had only exercised a fraction of common sense. This isn't about guilt or innocence. This is about appreciating the limits of privilege.

The Lions are too gutless to discipline their own, especially when he is one of their few credible players. So the NFL should step in, suspending Rogers if police charge him with criminal sexual conduct.

He already has a four-game suspension for taking a banned dietary supplement. Make him an example. Maybe then these guys will get the hint that they aren't entitled to the courtesies of the high life.

I'm not holding my breath waiting for that day.

Proper decorum has long since died in sports, which has become a cradle for enablers. There are always people willing to look the other way, rarely demanding accountability for the habitual bad decision-maker.

But just because you're innocent until proven guilty in a court of law doesn't mean there should be no consequences for blatant stupidity in willingly -- and regularly -- placing yourself in potentially compromising situations.

Somehow, that concept was lost in the national media pity fest for those accused Duke lacrosse players. The rape charges may have been dismissed, but there's no forgetting the fact they used Daddy's American Express platinum card to rent a house, furnish alcohol for underage drinking and to hire strippers -- placing themselves on a path fraught with potential vulnerabilities.

Whenever an athlete is suspected of wrongdoing, it's rarely because he was just walking down the street minding his own business.

Going to a strip club isn't a crime. Going there with a gaggle of sycophants whose sole mission in life is keeping the meal ticket happy isn't a crime. But it's that pack mentality that fosters the misguided perception that the star athlete is somehow insulated from the rest of the world.

He can be fearless. He can be reckless because there will always be somebody there to cushion the fall.

Atlanta quarterback Michael Vick is counting on that.

Who knows if he was directly involved in the illegal dogfighting operation allegedly run out of a Virginia house registered in his name? If he's charged, he's entitled to his constitutional due process.

But the opportunity to quarterback an NFL team or anchor its defensive front isn't a birthright. It's a license that can be revoked if certain unsavory accusations bring blight upon the brand the league so passionately protects.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell seems to have the backbone necessary for such a decisive course. That would once again let the Lions off the hook for demanding accountability from their own.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070613/COL08/706130328/1048/SPORTS
 

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When will these guys learn? Allegedly, Rogers had a gun tucked in his pants (or somewhere else visible) when he groped the girl. He was supposedly in her dressing room when he did it. Imagine being a 20-year old female and some 300+ pound dude with a gun comes into your dressing room and fondles you. If true, that had to be pretty scary for her.
 

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Angus;1527169 said:
I don't know what Shaun Rogers did -- or didn't do -- in the dressing room of a Detroit strip club last Friday.

And, quite frankly, I don't really care.
Idiot.
 

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superpunk;1527188 said:


Are you defending Shaun Rogers? You think what he did was 'ok'?

OMGLOLZORZ.....Noob.

Shaun Rogers needs to be banned from the NFL and sentenced to life in prison...NFL prison.
 

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Boyzmamacita;1527180 said:
When will these guys learn? Allegedly, Rogers had a gun tucked in his pants (or somewhere else visible) when he groped the girl. He was supposedly in her dressing room when he did it. Imagine being a 20-year old female and some 300+ pound dude with a gun comes into your dressing room and fondles you. If true, that had to be pretty scary for her.

When I read that I thought "hmm, pretty standard strip club stuff"

Not that it is right. At all. But this isn't just some naive young 20-year old.
 

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Vintage;1527191 said:
Are you defending Shaun Rogers? You think what he did was 'ok'?

OMGLOLZORZ.....Noob.

Shaun Rogers needs to be banned from the NFL and sentenced to life in prison...NFL prison.
I'd like to think he means the journalist's position and not the alleged act by Rogers.
 

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abersonc;1527193 said:
When I read that I thought "hmm, pretty standard strip club stuff"

Not that it is right. At all. But this isn't just some naive young 20-year old.


IF this is true (key word being "if")

300 pound men with guns coming into your dressing room and forcibly groping you is normal strip club stuff?

Really?
 

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WoodysGirl;1527194 said:
I'd like to think he means the journalist's position and not the alleged act by Rogers.


The sound you heard?

Yeah?

Its the sound of something flying over your head.


;)
 

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WoodysGirl;1527194 said:
I'd like to think he means the journalist's position and not the alleged act by Rogers.

Sarcasm on top of sarcasm?

Genius!

Vintage;1527198 said:
IF this is true (key word being "if")

300 pound men with guns coming into your dressing room and forcibly groping you is normal strip club stuff?

Really?

You've apparently never offered your body up to dance for overweight horny men.

abersonc and I know what goes on in these places.
 

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abersonc;1527193 said:
When I read that I thought "hmm, pretty standard strip club stuff"

Not that it is right. At all. But this isn't just some naive young 20-year old.
Naive or not, there's nothing sexy about a guy catching a feel when he's drunk and packing heat.
 

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The adjustment period for NFL players is going to be tough. For many, many years, they have been treated as if they live in a different world. Basically, there has been little recourse for behavior such as this. Now, you got Goodell in charge and it's clear, he's going to do things differently. It's going to be a learning curve for some of these guys. This will not be the last idiot move we see from a player. There will be more in the next few years. The league has a long way to go before it can get anywhere near respectable again, in terms of public opinion.
 

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Vintage;1527198 said:
IF this is true (key word being "if")

300 pound men with guns coming into your dressing room and forcibly groping you is normal strip club stuff?

Really?
Add a smiley and it wouldn't fly so silently... This is the innernets (to use superpunk's word), remember?

And considering the nature of the topic, I don't have much of a sense of humor. Sue me.
 

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superpunk;1527205 said:
Sarcasm on top of sarcasm?

Genius!



You've apparently never offered your body up to dance for overweight horny men.

abersonc and I know what goes on in these places.


Fair enough. I have never nor will I ever, offer up my body to overweight horny men....

Glad I got you and abersonc to tell me how these things worth without having to find out for myself. Especially in this scenario.
 

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WoodysGirl;1527207 said:
Naive or not, there's nothing sexy about a guy catching a feel when he's drunk and packing heat.

Absolutely not.

But expressing shock that something like that happens in a strip club is what caught me as odd.

Strip clubs are not somewhere that a young lady should work if she is overly concerned with "boundries" - again, that is not right, but that is the reality.
 

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WoodysGirl;1527211 said:
Add a smiley and it wouldn't fly so silently... This is the innernets (to use superpunk's word), remember?

And considering the nature of the topic, I don't have much of a sense of humor. Sue me.


I wasn't criticising you. I was joking/playfully poking fun of you. Hence why I added the smiley to the end of the post about it 'flying over your head.'

As for my original comment.......it was directed at superpunk because I knew he would understand it (stemming from past threads), so I didn't feel the need for the smiley was required.
 

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Angus;1527169 said:
But no matter what happens, the whole thing is tiresome. Another story about another athlete finding himself in a situation that could have been avoided if he had only exercised a fraction of common sense. This isn't about guilt or innocence. This is about appreciating the limits of privilege.


Proper decorum has long since died in sports, which has become a cradle for enablers. There are always people willing to look the other way, rarely demanding accountability for the habitual bad decision-maker.


Whenever an athlete is suspected of wrongdoing, it's rarely because he was just walking down the street minding his own business.


Going to a strip club isn't a crime. Going there with a gaggle of sycophants whose sole mission in life is keeping the meal ticket happy isn't a crime. But it's that pack mentality that fosters the misguided perception that the star athlete is somehow insulated from the rest of the world.


But the opportunity to quarterback an NFL team or anchor its defensive front isn't a birthright. It's a license that can be revoked if certain unsavory accusations bring blight upon the brand the league so passionately protects.
I just wanted to point out and bold some really outstanding points from that article.
 

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abersonc;1527215 said:
Absolutely not.

But expressing shock that something like that happens in a strip club is what caught me as odd.

Strip clubs are not somewhere that a young lady should work if she is overly concerned with "boundries" - again, that is not right, but that is the reality.
I agree with that, but like you said, it doesn't make what possibly occurred, right.

Vintage;1527216 said:
I wasn't criticising you. I was joking/playfully poking fun of you. Hence why I added the smiley to the end of the post about it 'flying over your head.'
Didn't take it as such. I was referring to a smiley in the original post.
As for my original comment.......it was directed at superpunk because I knew he would understand it (stemming from past threads), so I didn't feel the need for the smiley was required.
Problem is, we all jump in occasionally and miss some of the past convos. So forgive me for jumping between you and superpunks forum tangling. Carry on...
 

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First let me say if he did do this then he needs to spend some time in jail.

Now to the fun part.

I don't know to many strip clubs that let men into the dressing room and I am something of a stip club connoisseur.

As far as the touching part goes...well again seems a bit wired, I have been in clubs where touching was expected. I have had them offer themselves to me or offer to go home with me for a small fee. So knowing what my experiences have been, something just seems a bit odd here.

But like I said if he did it he deserves jail, because no one deserves to be fondled against their will.
 

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WoodysGirl;1527207 said:
Naive or not, there's nothing sexy about a guy catching a feel when he's drunk and packing heat.

And theres nothing sexy about taking the accusation of a strippers at face value either.
 
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