ARTICLE: Schrager Rates Quinn Lower Than Last Years QB's

[Gryphon]

NFL Draft
Peter Schrager / FOXSports.com
Posted: 1 day ago

Having attended the draft at Radio City Music Hall on both Saturday and Sunday, I didn't get the chance to watch the event on TV.

Of course, I wasn't exactly upset by this. After all, the draft — with the nutty fans, the infectious energy, and the incredible house organ player pumping out Sam Spence's NFL Films soundtrack the entire weekend — is an event better watched in person than on the tube. It's like hockey that way. Minus the icing calls and the mullets.
Unfortunately, I couldn't make it through the first hour. No one warned me. The telecast wasn't of the NFL Draft, but rather, a Brady Quinn MTV-style "True Life: Draft Slipper" video diary. Constant shots of him in pain and agony, non-stop cut-aways to his platinum-haired girlfriend, and a growing exaggeration of his skills by the talking heads as the broadcast went on. Personally, I thought Quinn would go No. 3 to Cleveland . The Browns needed a quarterback, but more importantly a "face of the franchise" guy. He didn't. Oh well. They took a lineman — another definite need. Sensible pick. The draft goes on.
When ranking last year and this year's crop of quarterbacks, I didn't have
Quinn at the top of the list.

1. Matt Leinart, QB, USC
2. Vince Young, QB, Texas
3. JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
4. Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
5. Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame

And if Brian Brohm had come out, I would have likely had the Louisville gunslinger rated above Quinn, too. More importantly, after Miami at No. 9 — no team from draft position No. 10 to No. 29 had exactly pressing needs at quarterback. So why did Quinn dominate the telecast? Why was his not being drafted treated like that girl falling down the well? Well, the reasons are obvious. The fact that he was there in person (weren't Aaron Rodgers and Matt Leinart too, though?), the Notre Dame thing, the All-American kid stuff, the trendy haircut, the fancy suit, whatever — the list goes on. But did we need a four-hour long after-school teen drama titled "Brady's Bad Day"? Call me crazy — but I say no.

 

[masomenos]

I think Brady Quinn was a relatively safe pick and even though he doesn't have terrific upside I still had him rated higher than Russell and higher than Jay Cutler last year. I had them rated as follows:

1. Matt Leinart - 9.1
2. Vince Young - 8.8 (including running ability; rates lower as a passer)
3. Brady Quinn - 8.3
4. Jamarcus Russell - 8.2
5. Jay Cutler - 7.1

And if you just take the final two years of a players career and find the per game averages then Quinn rates even higher. I don't know why there is so much hate towards Brady Quinn, in his past two seasons he had a 69/14 INT ratio with over 7000 yards and over a 61% completion rate. Last season he had multiple TD games in all but one game. It's said that he can't win the big game but it's largely because of how much he was asked to throw in those games. Last season when Quinn was asked to throw the ball over 40 times in a game the Irish were 1-2 with the one win coming by 3 points. Seems to me like that is more of an issue of offensive balance than anything else. I'll be quite surprised if Quinn isn't a very solid NFL QB.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Time will tell......but, it is fun to speculate huh?

 

[dmq]

I think QB is one of the hardest things to translate into the NFL. WHat I have noticed is that added mobility buys a young guy time in the pocket. THis helps becxause it seems like teams really like to go after the new QB. Except us of course, we were in contain mode.

 

[Zaxor]

I don't believe Quinn will be the franchise QB that Cleveland had hoped.. I personally don't think he is very good QB

 

[Wrangler87]

Taking everything into account, as a career, I would rank them:

1. Brady Quinn- 9.1 I think his skills are very adequate, but will put him over the top is his film work and his leadership.

2. Matt Leinhart- 8.8 I think the addition of Whisenhunt will work wonders for a guy who remains underrated by most people.

3. Jay Cutler - 8.3 Like Russell better here, but Cutler will be more successful because he is a Bronco and will be in Shanahans system.

4. Jamarcus Russell - 8.2 Like him better than Cutler, but he is a Raider, so....

5. Vince Young -4.3 I just don't think this guy will ever be anything special as an NFL QB. The running thing is limited in the NFL, and he was the lowest rated passer in the entire NFL last year. He benefited from 8 defensive/special teams TD's by the Titans during his time as starter. Take those away and how many games does he actually win last year? That's 56 points.

 

[BLT]

vince young last?!

1.Jay Cutler (guys got it all)
2.Vince Young (it might be ugly but hell win games)
3.Matt Leinart(having boldin and fitzegerald as your WR's doesnt hurt)
4.Brady Quinn(Very Ready after Weis)
5.JaMarcus Russell (Jeff George was a big arm too......)

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't believe Quinn will be the franchise QB that Cleveland had hoped.. I personally don't think he is very good QB

I am not sure ANY QB can be a franchise QB that helps Cleveland enough to get them over the hump.

That team is just cursed IMO.

 

[Wrangler87]

vince young last?!

1.Jay Cutler (guys got it all)
2.Vince Young (it might be ugly but hell win games)
3.Matt Leinart(having boldin and fitzegerald as your WR's doesnt hurt)
4.Brady Quinn(Very Ready after Weis)
5.JaMarcus Russell (Jeff George was a big arm too......)

Did you read my reasoning. He wins games with the help of 8 def/special teams TD's. That's 56 points. Give those to any QB in the NFL and he will win games. That will not happen again.

 

[Zaxor]

I am not sure ANY QB can be a franchise QB that helps Cleveland enough to get them over the hump.

That team is just cursed IMO.

You could have the right of it my friend...they do seem to be snake bit at times especially injuries

 

[Q_the_man]

I think Brady Quinn was a relatively safe pick and even though he doesn't have terrific upside I still had him rated higher than Russell and higher than Jay Cutler last year. I had them rated as follows:

1. Matt Leinart - 9.1
2. Vince Young - 8.8 (including running ability; rates lower as a passer)
3. Brady Quinn - 8.3
4. Jamarcus Russell - 8.2
5. Jay Cutler - 7.1

And if you just take the final two years of a players career and find the per game averages then Quinn rates even higher. I don't know why there is so much hate towards Brady Quinn, in his past two seasons he had a 69/14 INT ratio with over 7000 yards and over a 61% completion rate. Last season he had multiple TD games in all but one game. It's said that he can't win the big game but it's largely because of how much he was asked to throw in those games. Last season when Quinn was asked to throw the ball over 40 times in a game the Irish were 1-2 with the one win coming by 3 points. Seems to me like that is more of an issue of offensive balance than anything else. I'll be quite surprised if Quinn isn't a very solid NFL QB.

Quinn choked in the big games

Against Mich............24-48 50% 234 yards 3 tds and 3 ints

Against USC............22-45 48% 274 yards 3td and no ints

Against LSU............15-35 43% 148 yards 2tds and 2 ints

Now against teams like Army, Navy, Air Force and UNC he looked like an all pro........

against UNC............ 23-35 66% 346 yards 4 tds no ints

Against Navy........... 18-25 72% 295 yards 4 tds no ints

Against Army........... 22-30 73% 218 yards 3tds and 1 int

Against Air Force...... 14-19 74% 207 yards 4 tds and 0 tds

Big Difference in big games that all i'm saying

 

[FLcowboy]

Time will tell......but, it is fun to speculate huh?

It won't be much fun around here if Quinn turns into another Joe Montana.

 

[Vintage]

It won't be much fun around here if Quinn turns into another Joe Montana.

It will be irrelevant if Romo turns out to be the real deal at Qb.

 

[calico]

5. Vince Young -4.3 I just don't think this guy will ever be anything special as an NFL QB. The running thing is limited in the NFL, and he was the lowest rated passer in the entire NFL last year. He benefited from 8 defensive/special teams TD's by the Titans during his time as starter. Take those away and how many games does he actually win last year? That's 56 points.

Merril Hoge comes to the Zone!!


VY does nothing but win football games. The Titans were horrid last year and when VY got his NFL legs under him, they finished up nicely. You are really reaching here in trying to take wins away from him.

 

[FLcowboy]

Time will tell......but, it is fun to speculate huh?

It won't be much fun around here if Quinn turns into another Joe Montana.

 

[Vintage]

It won't be much fun around here if Quinn turns into another Joe Montana.

It will be irrelevant if Romo turns out to be the real deal at Qb.

 

[burmafrd]

This year will be interesting to watch Vince young. Can he keep doing it? You look at his stats and they stink. Yet he won games. And one can say that he really did win games with his feet. Not so much with his arm.

 

[Doomsday101]

This year will be interesting to watch Vince young. Can he keep doing it? You look at his stats and they stink. Yet he won games. And one can say that he really did win games with his feet. Not so much with his arm.

I think one thing Young has going for him is his willingness to learn and change to become a better QB.

 

[Wrangler87]

Quinn choked in the big games

Against Mich............24-48 50% 234 yards 3 tds and 3 ints

Against USC............22-45 48% 274 yards 3td and no ints

Against LSU............15-35 43% 148 yards 2tds and 2 ints

Now against teams like Army, Navy, Air Force and UNC he looked like an all pro........

against UNC............ 23-35 66% 346 yards 4 tds no ints

Against Navy........... 18-25 72% 295 yards 4 tds no ints

Against Army........... 22-30 73% 218 yards 3tds and 1 int

Against Air Force...... 14-19 74% 207 yards 4 tds and 0 tds

Big Difference in big games that all i'm saying

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/419111


Funny how you left out Penn State, Georgia Tech, Purdue, UCLA, and Michigan State.


10/21vs UCLAW 20-1745276030411.320

09/30vs PurdueW 35-21382976.331610.920


09/23@ Michigan StateW 40-37362055.63191651

09/09vs Penn StateW 41-17362569.428711.530
09/02@ Georgia TechW 14-10382360.524610.70091.3








Georgia Tech, Penn State and UCLA were ranked in the top 25 when they played Notre Dame, and Michigan State was right on the edge when they played Notre Dame.

But the stats in those games don't support you agenda, so....

You also might be interested to know that two of his interceptions in the Michiagan game were passses that bounced off his TE and RB's hands into the air.

Add to that the fact that two dropped short slant passes that would have been TD's in both the LSU and USC games, and take into account the other 27 dropped passes he suffered from throughout the season. Point is, Brady Quinn cannot control the fact that he was a few teams that were superior to his in talent on both sides of the ball, and still managed a 10-3 record, losing only to teams ranked in the top five in the nation, two of which were ranked in the top three. Basically, Notre Dame lost to the three of the top four teams in the nation, and no one else.

You see, you can tell half the story all of the time, but in the end all you get is....half the story. But that's okay if half the story is all you want people to know.

 

[jterrell]

Did you read my reasoning. He wins games with the help of 8 def/special teams TD's. That's 56 points. Give those to any QB in the NFL and he will win games. That will not happen again.

Young started 13 games and accounted for 19 touchdowns with only 15 turnovers.(Romo went to the Pro Bowl with 19 TDs and 13 turnovers) Thats a basic formula for success and is why the Titans started 0-3 but ended up very competitive.

VY was streaky and had a few 30 QB rating days but he also had days over 100.

Placing him last on your list just belies you are not aware of what is actually required to win football games IMHO.

As a side note:
Matt Leinart was 13 TDs, 13 turnovers.