Asante Samuel STRUGGLING in a new scheme...

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Seriously-Andy Reid has to be the DUMBEST coach for getting his team into this fine mess.

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Eagles' Samuel Still Has Got A Ways To Go
By: G. Cobb, The Bulletin
06/06/2008
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You can believe that veteran cornerbacks Sheldon Brown and Lito Sheppard have been on the phone with each other, talking about the fact that the Eagles gave Asante Samuel "the bank," even though he's not head and shoulders better than them and can't play pure man-to-man defense as well as they are able to.

I could just see their faces as Samuel was beaten a number of times by some of the team's backup receivers in 1-on-1 drills this week. There had to have been some emotion coming up in Sheppard and Brown from the fact that the Eagles had given so much money to a guy who hasn't made a single play for the Eagles, as of yet.
All-Pro and all, Samuel had free agents who are long shots to make the team running right by him. The 1-on-1 drill clearly is not his game.

In fairness, the game consists of doing much more than just playing pure man-to-man coverage, even though Samuel should be good at it. I haven't seen the acceleration out of his backpedal that I expected to see when receivers are going deep.

Samuel also doesn't seem comfortable coming up into the press technique. He seems to be more at ease when he's playing off the receiver and looking into the backfield to get an idea of what type of route the receiver is going to run.

He's much better when he's coming up on the pass route, rather than turning and running. He wasn't especially strong with his jam of the wideouts when they came off of the line against him when he was in press technique.

I don't want to make more of the matter than it deserves, but Samuel is clearly more of a system left cornerback than Brown or Sheppard.

I'm not saying they're better, but it's going to take some effort on Samuel's part to adapt his game to Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Johnson's system.

Samuel is much better when he knows the other team's tendencies, the formation, and he's had a chance to study the opposing quarterback. He's the very best in the game at this, and nobody's a close second.

I know he's smart as a whip and does a great job of reading quarterbacks. He exhibited some of that ability during the previous minicamp when he picked off second-year quarterback Kevin Kolb.

He read Kolb's eyes and stepped in front of L.J. Smith to pick off a slant route. This is the strength of Samuel's game, as he seems to be able to cover more ground when he breaks on a ball than anybody in the league.

Still, you can't just leave him by himself like Deion Sanders in his prime or Champ Bailey now. Samuel is also a gambler, someone who takes chances to make the big play, but sometimes is wrong.

Who did David Tyree beat for a touchdown in last year's Super Bowl? It's amazing that the Giants went after Samuel, even though Ellis Hobbs was on the other side.

Hobbs gets beat all the time and got beat for the Super Bowl clincher, but Tyree had beaten Samuel earlier for a score.

I talked to a league source who is close to the Eagles, and he was shocked when the Birds decided to give the mega-deal to Samuel. He thought it probably had something to do with Johnson's frustration with Sheppard and his high-wire act.

The source, who spoke on a condition of anonymity, told me that Johnson doesn't like the feast or famine attitude, which best describes Sheppard's style of play. He would like to see him be more consistent, rather than making a habit of taking too many chances in pursuit of big plays.

The source went on to say that Sheppard knows that big plays are the key to making the Pro Bowl and signing mega-deals like the one Samuel just agreed to.

The source is familiar with Johnson's coverage schemes and said that Samuel will have to make some changes in order to fit into the Eagles' defensive packages.

According to the source, "Jim likes his cornerbacks up in the press position in the face of wide receivers. He likes his corners to jam the receiver as they come off the line of scrimmage. He's always screaming for that, but Asante likes to play off of the receiver."

The source also went on to say that he thought Samuel was the best in the game at breaking on the ball, but he's not a pure man-to-man coverage guy.

The source pointed out that he liked Samuel's ability to transition from up in the bump technique to off the receiver and vice versa. He talked about Samuel's ability to play mind games with a quarterback.

Another league source said that he thought Sheppard and Brown are better pure 1-on-1 coverage guys, but that Samuel is the best in the game at reading a quarterback and jumping a route for the big play.

The Eagles hope to get quite a few of those big plays this fall.
 

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File this under the "duh" category. Surely they knew he wasn't a press corner when they signed him.
 

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said it before, will say it again, samuel is a system corner.
 

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lol you guys.

I wouldnt try to cling on to an article about someone struggling in June.

Good grief.
 

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I think Samuel will fit the Eagles scheme very well. Jim Johnson loves to apply pressure to the QB, and that means Samuel gets a lot more chances to jump routes and take chances to make a big play.

I don't think he's worth the contract the Eagles gave him, but he'll be fine once the season rolls around.
 

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Boysboy;2112475 said:
Seriously-Andy Reid has to be the DUMBEST coach for getting his team into this fine mess.

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index...d=576361&rfi=8

Inside Today's Bulletin
Eagles' Samuel Still Has Got A Ways To Go
By: G. Cobb, The Bulletin
06/06/2008
Email to a friendPost a CommentPrinter-friendly

You can believe that veteran cornerbacks Sheldon Brown and Lito Sheppard have been on the phone with each other, talking about the fact that the Eagles gave Asante Samuel "the bank," even though he's not head and shoulders better than them and can't play pure man-to-man defense as well as they are able to.

I could just see their faces as Samuel was beaten a number of times by some of the team's backup receivers in 1-on-1 drills this week. There had to have been some emotion coming up in Sheppard and Brown from the fact that the Eagles had given so much money to a guy who hasn't made a single play for the Eagles, as of yet.
All-Pro and all, Samuel had free agents who are long shots to make the team running right by him. The 1-on-1 drill clearly is not his game.

In fairness, the game consists of doing much more than just playing pure man-to-man coverage, even though Samuel should be good at it. I haven't seen the acceleration out of his backpedal that I expected to see when receivers are going deep.

Samuel also doesn't seem comfortable coming up into the press technique. He seems to be more at ease when he's playing off the receiver and looking into the backfield to get an idea of what type of route the receiver is going to run.

He's much better when he's coming up on the pass route, rather than turning and running. He wasn't especially strong with his jam of the wideouts when they came off of the line against him when he was in press technique.

I don't want to make more of the matter than it deserves, but Samuel is clearly more of a system left cornerback than Brown or Sheppard.

I'm not saying they're better, but it's going to take some effort on Samuel's part to adapt his game to Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Johnson's system.

Samuel is much better when he knows the other team's tendencies, the formation, and he's had a chance to study the opposing quarterback. He's the very best in the game at this, and nobody's a close second.

I know he's smart as a whip and does a great job of reading quarterbacks. He exhibited some of that ability during the previous minicamp when he picked off second-year quarterback Kevin Kolb.

He read Kolb's eyes and stepped in front of L.J. Smith to pick off a slant route. This is the strength of Samuel's game, as he seems to be able to cover more ground when he breaks on a ball than anybody in the league.

Still, you can't just leave him by himself like Deion Sanders in his prime or Champ Bailey now. Samuel is also a gambler, someone who takes chances to make the big play, but sometimes is wrong.

Who did David Tyree beat for a touchdown in last year's Super Bowl? It's amazing that the Giants went after Samuel, even though Ellis Hobbs was on the other side.

Hobbs gets beat all the time and got beat for the Super Bowl clincher, but Tyree had beaten Samuel earlier for a score.

I talked to a league source who is close to the Eagles, and he was shocked when the Birds decided to give the mega-deal to Samuel. He thought it probably had something to do with Johnson's frustration with Sheppard and his high-wire act.

The source, who spoke on a condition of anonymity, told me that Johnson doesn't like the feast or famine attitude, which best describes Sheppard's style of play. He would like to see him be more consistent, rather than making a habit of taking too many chances in pursuit of big plays.

The source went on to say that Sheppard knows that big plays are the key to making the Pro Bowl and signing mega-deals like the one Samuel just agreed to.

The source is familiar with Johnson's coverage schemes and said that Samuel will have to make some changes in order to fit into the Eagles' defensive packages.

According to the source, "Jim likes his cornerbacks up in the press position in the face of wide receivers. He likes his corners to jam the receiver as they come off the line of scrimmage. He's always screaming for that, but Asante likes to play off of the receiver."

The source also went on to say that he thought Samuel was the best in the game at breaking on the ball, but he's not a pure man-to-man coverage guy.

The source pointed out that he liked Samuel's ability to transition from up in the bump technique to off the receiver and vice versa. He talked about Samuel's ability to play mind games with a quarterback.

Another league source said that he thought Sheppard and Brown are better pure 1-on-1 coverage guys, but that Samuel is the best in the game at reading a quarterback and jumping a route for the big play.

The Eagles hope to get quite a few of those big plays this fall.


This should be changed to read "when he knows the other team's plays..."
 

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They need to trade away Lito far, far from the NFC East as he's got 8 picks in his last 8 games against Dallas.





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CATCH17;2112516 said:
lol you guys.

I wouldnt try to cling on to an article about someone struggling in June.

Good grief.

you wouldn't be saying the same thing if newman was getting beat by Amedola or the other UDFA we have.
 

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Samuels is a veteran probowler level player. In all fairness, new systems aren't as simple as some of you may believe. But the bottom line is that it's not even training camp and you're selecting players that should be shot or put out to pasture.

I think Asante will live up to expectations, and Brown will be his backup in the secondary.

Patience gentlemen ...I think it's going to be an interesting 2008 regular season.

PT
 

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Phoenix-Talon;2112653 said:
Samuels is a veteran probowler level player. In all fairness, new systems aren't as simple as some of you may believe. But the bottom line is that it's not even training camp and you're selecting players that should be shot or put out to pasture.

I think Asante will live up to expectations, and Brown will be his backup in the secondary.

Patience gentlemen ...I think it's going to be an interesting 2008 regular season.

PT

I actually agree with you - but - we have to talk about SOMETHING, why not this?

:D

;)
 

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Phoenix-Talon;2112653 said:
Samuels is a veteran probowler level player. In all fairness, new systems aren't as simple as some of you may believe. But the bottom line is that it's not even training camp and you're selecting players that should be shot or put out to pasture.

I think Asante will live up to expectations, and Brown will be his backup in the secondary.

Patience gentlemen ...I think it's going to be an interesting 2008 regular season.

PT

where the hell were you all season? :p:
 

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And every year, Anthony Henry struggles too.


Means nothing.

When Samuel starts doing this in games, I'll start laughing....
 

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I have often said to my co-worker that is a Giant fan that Pacman is a lower risk signing than Asante.
 

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Teague31;2112496 said:
said it before, will say it again, samuel is a system corner.

So Samuel is the Roy Williams of CBs? Requires the system to be right to play well? :laugh2:
 

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it still very early, if he is struggling in August I will take notice.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2112589 said:
you wouldn't be saying the same thing if newman was getting beat by Amedola or the other UDFA we have.

I hope this is a joke and I just missed the sarcasm.
 
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