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I think the game a lot of people are overlooking is the Chicago/New Orleans game. If Chicago, Tampa, Atlanta, Washington, and Dallas all finish at 10-6 then Dallas will NOT make the playoffs. If Chicago loses on Thursday though and is removed from that equation, then Dallas DOES make the playoffs.

So we really need to wait and see how the Thursday game plays out before we decide who to root for in the Tampa/Atlanta game.
 

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BigDave95;2478561 said:
I think the game a lot of people are overlooking is the Chicago/New Orleans game. If Chicago, Tampa, Atlanta, Washington, and Dallas all finish at 10-6 then Dallas will NOT make the playoffs. If Chicago loses on Thursday though and is removed from that equation, then Dallas DOES make the playoffs.

So we really need to wait and see how the Thursday game plays out before we decide who to root for in the Tampa/Atlanta game.

True but then Chicago has game with GB and Hou. Does not sound great but Houston has been playing very good ball as of late and they tend to finish season strong.
 

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BigDave95;2478561 said:
I think the game a lot of people are overlooking is the Chicago/New Orleans game. If Chicago, Tampa, Atlanta, Washington, and Dallas all finish at 10-6 then Dallas will NOT make the playoffs. If Chicago loses on Thursday though and is removed from that equation, then Dallas DOES make the playoffs.

So we really need to wait and see how the Thursday game plays out before we decide who to root for in the Tampa/Atlanta game.

Or what if the Williams brothers finally get their suspensions, and lose their last 2 games or so, and Chicago wins out? The Bears win the NFCN.

BTW-I wouldn't worry about Washington w/ their OTs out and Portis banged up.
 

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Boysboy;2478572 said:
Or what if the Williams brothers finally get their suspensions, and lose their last 2 games or so, and Chicago wins out? The Bears win the NFCN.

BTW-I wouldn't worry about Washington w/ their OTs out and Portis banged up.

That works too. We just don't want the Bears in any kind of tiebreaking scenario with us so we need them to win the division or lose one of their final three games. I'd rather they go ahead and lose on Thursday night so we don't have to worry about them any more. That way we don't need to count on Minny losing a game or anything else. Both of those teams couldn't affect us.
 

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BigDave95;2478561 said:
I think the game a lot of people are overlooking is the Chicago/New Orleans game. If Chicago, Tampa, Atlanta, Washington, and Dallas all finish at 10-6 then Dallas will NOT make the playoffs. If Chicago loses on Thursday though and is removed from that equation, then Dallas DOES make the playoffs.

So we really need to wait and see how the Thursday game plays out before we decide who to root for in the Tampa/Atlanta game.

What tie breaker does Chicago hold on us... They have 5 conference losses and we have 4?
 

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AmericasTeam31;2478606 said:
What tie breaker does Chicago hold on us... They have 5 conference losses and we have 4?

They don't hold a direct tiebreaker over us but the inclusion of the Bears in a multi-team tiebreaker would keep us out due to a common game formula. It wouldn't put them in over us. It would just keep us out and put in Tampa. Without them in the mix, we'd make it.
 

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BigDave95;2478661 said:
They don't hold a direct tiebreaker over us but the inclusion of the Bears in a multi-team tiebreaker would keep us out due to a common game formula. It wouldn't put them in over us. It would just keep us out and put in Tampa. Without them in the mix, we'd make it.

Best I can tell from this they would be eliminated in the NFC record tiebreaker. And the rest would move on to other tiebreakers... You only eliminate one team each time through the tie breakers. They'd be out right away based on conference record.

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.
OTHER TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES
1. Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild-Card tie breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to step one of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tie breaker, all other clubs revert to step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format.
2. In comparing division and conference records or records against common opponents among tied teams, the best won-lost-tied percentage is the deciding factor since teams may have played an unequal number of games.
3. To determine home-field priority among division titlists, apply Wild-Card tie breakers.
4. To determine home-field priority for Wild-Card qualifiers, apply division tie breakers (if teams are from the same division) or Wild-Card tie breakers (if teams are from different divisions).
 

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grp05;2478348 said:
Assuming we win on Sunday, an Atlanta win would make it:

Dallas 9-5
Tampa 9-5
Atlanta 9-5

Assuming we win on Sunday, a Tampa win would make it:

Tampa 10-4
Dallas 9-5
Atlanta 8-6

Personally I would rather have the one game lead (and division record tiebreaker) over Atlanta than depend on Dallas keeping pace with both Tampa and Atlanta.

Then again, if we are able to keep pace with Tampa and Atlanta, the Philly game becomes meaningless. Even if Philly beat us and got a higher playoff seed than us, we would be the 6th seed by virtue of the tiebreaker over atl/tb. Assuming the playoff race is down to Dallas, Tampa, ATL, and Philly.

lol If Dallas (loss to Philly), Tampa (loss to ATL), and ATL (loss to someone) finish 2-1, with Philly finishing 3-0, this should be how it turns out:

Philly 10-5-1
Dallas 10-6
Tampa 10-6
Atlanta 10-6

hahaha Anyone see that scenario happening? Just hope Atlanta doesn't finish 3-0 or we could be screwed. The moral of this story is...BEAT PHILLY, NO MATTER WHAT.

I think I just had a stroke (jk).


You are all forgetting about the Commanders, if we both end the season with a 10- 6 record they are in, and we would be fighting with either TB or ATL for the other spot.
 

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Coy;2478868 said:
You are all forgetting about the Commanders, if we both end the season with a 10- 6 record they are in, and we would be fighting with either TB or ATL for the other spot.
This is not correct. If we both finish 10-6 and Dallas's loss is to Baltimore they are not in because the Commanders have 3 division losses, we currently have two division losses.
 

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bootsy;2478928 said:
This is not correct. If we both finish 10-6 and Dallas's loss is to Baltimore they are not in because the Commanders have 3 division losses, we currently have two division losses.

OK, you are right, In my post I was thinking that our loss was against the Eagles or Giants.
 

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Here it is, look at this scenerio:

Atlanta 10-6
TB 10-6
Wash 10-6 (beat the Eagles at home in week 16)
Dallas 10-6 (our loss to either the Giants or Eagles)

We are in as the 6th seed and Washington is in as the 5th seed.

Same scenerio but Chicago also has a record of 10-6

We are out.

Washington 6th seed, TB 5th seed.


So let`s pull for the Saints on Thursday, getting Chicago out of the way.

Let`s hope for the best (3-0) but be ready for the worst (2-1), No way we make it by going 1-2.
 

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Coy;2478948 said:
Here it is, look at this scenerio:

Atlanta 10-6
TB 10-6
Wash 10-6 (beat the Eagles at home in week 16)
Dallas 10-6 (our loss to either the Giants or Eagles)

We are in as the 6th seed and Washington is in as the 5th seed.

Same scenerio but Chicago also has a record of 10-6

We are out.

Washington 6th seed, TB 5th seed.


So let`s pull for the Saints on Thursday, getting Chicago out of the way.
Chicago is gonna be out of the way anyway. I don't see them winning 3 straight games.
 

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Coy;2478939 said:
OK, you are right, In my post I was thinking that our loss was against the Eagles or Giants.
It is really dependent on not losing anymore NFC games. They can't lose any of those. My personal preference would be to win it and then you won't have to worry about it.
 

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bootsy;2478954 said:
Chicago is gonna be out of the way anyway. I don't see them winning 3 straight games.

I do beleive that but hey, you never know, might as well get it over with this week.
 

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Coy;2478965 said:
I do beleive that but hey, you never know, might as well get it over with this week.
The funny thing would be the teams that we don't expect to win out do and the ones we do expect don't. Like the Bears, Falcons, Saints all win out and Eagles, us, Bucs don't. If that happens the playoffs in the NFC will be unwatchable IMO.
 

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bootsy;2478977 said:
The funny thing would be the teams that we don't expect to win out do and the ones we do expect don't. Like the Bears, Falcons, Saints all win out and Eagles, us, Bucs don't. If that happens the playoffs in the NFC will be unwatchable IMO.

:lmao: :lmao: Ageed 100%
 

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Coy;2478868 said:
You are all forgetting about the Commanders, if we both end the season with a 10- 6 record they are in, and we would be fighting with either TB or ATL for the other spot.

The reason why we're not including them is b/c both of their OTs are gone, and Portis is banged up-their backup center is starting for Samuels now. I would LOVE for them to beat Philly, but it's not going to happen.
 

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Boysboy;2478988 said:
The reason why we're not including them is b/c both of their OTs are gone, and Portis is banged up-their backup center is starting for Samuels now. I would LOVE for them to beat Philly, but it's not going to happen.

Hey, in 2 out of the last 3 years everybody gave the Damn Commanders for dead in the final weeks and somehow they end up getting into the playoffs by winning 5 straight in 2005 and 4 straight in 2007, don´t write them off just yet, although I would not want anything more believe me.
 

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Boysboy;2478988 said:
The reason why we're not including them is b/c both of their OTs are gone, and Portis is banged up-their backup center is starting for Samuels now. I would LOVE for them to beat Philly, but it's not going to happen.
I don't know about this. I love how everyone is on the Philly bandwagon again and are now back to automatic wins for them. They are not that good to just start guaranteeing wins. The game is at Washington and they aren't gonna roll over for the Eagles.
 
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