Audio: Gil Lebreton on GAC talks Dan Reeves

[dcfanatic]

Because everything turns an opportunity to bash someone. Usually it's TO; in this case it's Wade.

The Barney Fife pic was very original, though.

Who are you talking about?

Considering Reeves has always been an offensive guy, maybe you mean Garrett.

Who said that's why we were bringing in Reeves? You're just imagining that because it fits what you want to believe.

We don't even know what Reeves' exact role will be yet. I think it's to add another experienced football voice that Jerry can get ideas from when he needs to, which is great. I don't think it's at all to become the hall monitor around here. If Reeves thought Wade was the incompetent bumpkin you do, he never would've hired him to be his defensive coordinator.

So I should lie and just say that this is a great idea?

Sorry I see it as being a good/bad thing becasue it could go either way.

It's called looking at something from a few different angles.

And we all know Wade and Reeves have history. So you don't think Reeves as a 'consultant' will be Wade's sounding board and will be the guy standing next to Wade in Jerry's office when Wade asks to use the car?

That's a given.

 

[dcfanatic]

I differ from some people in that I think Wade Phillips can do this job and do it well. I just think you have to understand certain things about his kind of personality and give him the best chance to succeed.

But what I really think Wade needs is a locker room filled with good guys who will discipline and police themselves because that isn't Wade's strong suit. I think Wade needs a little bit of a bad guy on his staff because that just isn't his style either...

But I do believe that Wade can coach this defense better than anyone, and I think he can work well with a guy like Garrett on offense.

If anything, my hope is that Dan Reeves comes along and echos some of the things Wade believes in...

I think Wade lost this locker room when he left after the season ended without even addressing the team.

 

[ddh33]

I think Wade lost this locker room when he left after the season ended without even addressing the team.

If the players on this team weren't so secure, I don't think that would be such an issue. But instead of taking that with any kind of shame, they just take it as an indictment of their head coach. I just don't understand those kinds of players, if that is the way these guys feel that way...and I sure hope they don't.

And as far as Dan Reeves goes, if all he does is "ask Jerry for the keys for Wade", I don't mind it. As far as I'm concerned, when Jerry hired Wade, he should have given him the keys then. If he didn't trust Wade with the vehicle, he should have hired someone else. But I think Wade is perfectly capable of driving this thing. And I think Dan Reeves knows that too.

 

[jobberone]

I can understand both sides. But it's generally better to have more voices as long as they don't drown each other out. Working by committee isn't an unworkable situation as long as someone grabs the bull by the horns when necessary. Reeves will only add to the organization. The more Jerry listens to him the better Reeves can contribute.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So I should lie and just say that this is a great idea?

Sorry I see it as being a good/bad thing becasue it could go either way.

It's called looking at something from a few different angles.

And we all know Wade and Reeves have history. So you don't think Reeves as a 'consultant' will be Wade's sounding board and will be the guy standing next to Wade in Jerry's office when Wade asks to use the car?

That's a given.

No, man, not trying to squelch your opinion. Just giving mine, too.

But no, I don't think Wade needs Reeves to ask Jerry to use the car. Why would Jerry hire a guy to help someone else campaign against him? That doesn't make sense.

I think we have different ideas about what Reeves will do. I don't think he's going to be out on the practice field telling guys how to run drills. I think he'll have more of a general role to the front office, mainly. Dan is old school and he'll be sensitive to not even giving the impression of undermining the coaches, IMO.

I do think the coaches will be able to bounce things off him, but Garrett needs that more than Wade does.

 

[trickblue]

I just don't understand why Jerry Jones doesn't hire Dan Reeves as Head Coach?

Why bring a guy in and give him duties that is really the responsibility of the Head Coach?

I know people feel Wade Phillips is supportve of this move but it just seems like Jerry Jones is demonstrating that he thinks Wade Philliips is lacking in areas and doesn't have the ability to improve.

He very well could be next year... and I wouldn't mind at all.

In reality I think Holmgren is a very real possibility for us next year...

 

[dcfanatic]

If the players on this team weren't so secure, I don't think that would be such an issue. But instead of taking that with any kind of shame, they just take it as an indictment of their head coach. I just don't understand those kinds of players, if that is the way these guys feel that way...and I sure hope they don't.

And as far as Dan Reeves goes, if all he does is "ask Jerry for the keys for Wade", I don't mind it. As far as I'm concerned, when Jerry hired Wade, he should have given him the keys then. If he didn't trust Wade with the vehicle, he should have hired someone else. But I think Wade is perfectly capable of driving this thing. And I think Dan Reeves knows that too.

It's about the leader coming to the troops and saying 'hey, we got out butts kicked on this one, but I still have your backs and we have to find a way to come back next time'.

Instead of saying he still had their backs he left them to make up their own conclusions about what he thought about how the season ended.

That isn't a very good leader IMO.

And about Reeves getting the keys thing.

I will use the old QB analogy.

If you go around talking about 'having two quarterbacks' you are really telling everyone 'you don't even have one'.

Do you think Parcells, Noll, Cowher, Walsh, Belichick, etc need someone to go get the keys for them?

You think Mike Shanahan needs someone to go get the keys for him?

 

[dcfanatic]

No, man, not trying to squelch your opinion. Just giving mine, too.

But no, I don't think Wade needs Reeves to ask Jerry to use the car. Why would Jerry hire a guy to help someone else campaign against him? That doesn't make sense.

I think we have different ideas about what Reeves will do. I don't think he's going to be out on the practice field telling guys how to run drills. I think he'll have more of a general role to the front office, mainly. Dan is old school and he'll be sensitive to not even giving the impression of undermining the coaches, IMO.

I do think the coaches will be able to bounce things off him, but Garrett needs that more than Wade does.

LOL.

You just described Dan Reeves as being a 'head coach'.

 

[dcfanatic]

I just don't understand why Jerry Jones doesn't hire Dan Reeves as Head Coach?

Why bring a guy in and give him duties that is really the responsibility of the Head Coach?

I know people feel Wade Phillips is supportve of this move but it just seems like Jerry Jones is demonstrating that he thinks Wade Philliips is lacking in areas and doesn't have the ability to improve.

Because this organization does things bass ackwards these days.

:bang2:

 

[Chocolate Lab]

LOL.

You just described Dan Reeves as being a 'head coach'.

No I didn't.

 

[dcfanatic]

No I didn't.

Out on the field running drills.

Being more involved in the front office.

Garrett bouncing stuff off of him.

What do you think a head coach does?

All of that stuff.

That's the exact stuff Parcells did.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Read again... I said I don't think he's going to be on the practice field running drills.

Geez. The head coach coaches the coaches, structures practice, interacts with the players every day, makes all the big gameday decisions, etc. Reeves won't do any of that, I don't think.

Speaking of Parcells, why can't he do what Parcells is doing in Miami? He's not the head coach. And I think Reeves will have far less say here than what Parcells has there.

 

[wileedog]

It's easy to understand once you realize that Reeves is coming here because Wade wants him to. He's Garrett's babysitter/tutor.

According to who?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

According to who?

Yep.

The sad part about it is "If" what Theo says is correct, Wade Phillips is basically telling his boss that he can't fullfill all the duties of job.

Babysitting Jason Garrett...give me a freakin break :bang2: .

 

[Bach]

He very well could be next year... and I wouldn't mind at all.

In reality I think Holmgren is a very real possibility for us next year...

The popular belief is that we'll have a new HC in 2010.

But if that's the case, then what is the deal with bringing Reeves in here? Is Dan going to stay on as a consultant if we change HC's or is he being brought here for just one year?

I don't see him wanting to come here for just a year or see him staying here if we change HC's. It just doesn't make sense, unless Jerry is planning on Wade staying on longer. And, that really doesn't make any sense.

 

[bbgun]

According to who?

That was my question too. Dan's football record speaks for itself. He needn't have a relationship with Wade to get this gig, and there's no evidence that it came about at Wade's urging or that he wielded any kind of veto power. In short, it's very likely that Dan, based on prior accomplishments alone, would have been a Cowboy consultant whether he knew Wade or not.

 

[jobberone]

The popular belief is that we'll have a new HC in 2010.

But if that's the case, then what is the deal with bringing Reeves in here? Is Dan going to stay on as a consultant if we change HC's or is he being brought here for just one year?

I don't see him wanting to come here for just a year or see him staying here if we change HC's. It just doesn't make sense, unless Jerry is planning on Wade staying on longer. And, that really doesn't make any sense.

If he's here a year and then leaves that's ok. He's a consultant. They're not supposed to be permanent generally.

 

[Bach]

If he's here a year and then leaves that's ok. He's a consultant. They're not supposed to be permanent generally.

That's true. But it's odd he turned down the SF OC job just to take a one year consultant position. But then again, he is 65 and maybe he just wanted a short term, low pressure position and a chance to make some easy money.

 

[dcfanatic]

Read again... I said I don't think he's going to be on the practice field running drills.

Geez. The head coach coaches the coaches, structures practice, interacts with the players every day, makes all the big gameday decisions, etc. Reeves won't do any of that, I don't think.

Speaking of Parcells, why can't he do what Parcells is doing in Miami? He's not the head coach. And I think Reeves will have far less say here than what Parcells has there.

My bad.

Parcells is running the show in Miami. There is no Jerry in Miami.

Reeves will be overseeing Garrett. I am almost positive of that and it's something that can go one way or another. What is they don't see eye to eye?

Then it's Reeves and Wade going to Jerry about Garrett? Or it's Garrett going to Jerry and saying 'why do we need Reeves?'.

I just don't see the need for all of this stuff. Consultants and job descriptions and mentors and 13 team captains and on and on.

It could all lead to passing the buck which seems like a game this team like to play. They do it with the media. They do it by saying it's the scheme. They quietly do it with the 'injury excuse'.

They even have the nerve to still try and tell people how talentd they are.

I am just worried we are adding more fuel to this fire instead of actually putting the fire out and then seeing what's still useable.

 

[wileedog]

That was my question too. Dan's football record speaks for itself. He needn't have a relationship with Wade to get this gig, and there's no evidence that it came about at Wade's urging or that he wielded any kind of veto power. In short, it's very likely that Dan, based on prior accomplishments alone, would have been a Cowboy consultant whether he knew Wade or not.

Exactly. And I have yet to ever see a HC who expressed the need to have a 'consultant' to help them out.

The fact that Reeves and Wade have worked together before is convenient and makes things easier, but there is no way you can convince me this doesn't come from Jerry, is not a huge statement on Jerry's confidence level with "continuity", or that that Reeves is not some form of safety net should the bottom start falling out again next season.