Audio: Round One: Bob Sturm vs Troy Aikman!

[dcfanatic]

Round One: Bob Sturm vs Troy Aikman!

By dcfanatic, November 30, 2009 10:14 pm


Last week before the Thanksgiving Day game Bob was doing his show and got into some audio of Troy doing the Skins vs Cowboys game where he perceived Troy to be treading lightly on the criticism of Jason Garrett's play calling. Well guess who was listening and decided to call into the show?

Now don't expect either of these men to be anything more than gracious because they are both great guys and you will enjoy the listen...

Round One: Bob Sturm vs Troy Aikman

I love hearing Aikman break away from his 'I work for Fox' character for a few minutes and just shooting the **** with a couple of guys who love football.

Both sides have many fans. Run too much and it's bad. Pass to much and it's bad. Rely on one or the other too much and it's bad.

Balance. That's what usually wins NFL games. Find it and you will keep a defense on it's heels and that is where you want them.

Great stuff if you're an X's and O's football fanatic.

 

[CATCH17]

Downloading..... This should be good.

 

[dcfanatic]

Downloading..... This should be good.

It is. Troy just sounds like a QB in here.

He takes the headset off and puts the jersey and helmet back on.

 

[CATCH17]

Man Troy just went on a rant. I bet they took a 15 minute commercial break after that lol.

 

[chuffly]

Is Troy a P1? I didn't know that.

 

[theogt]

Troy whining about the media. But what does he know?

 

[Venger]

Downloading now, man I was listening to them live that day and wondered if Troy wouldn't call in and bust Bob's chops and damn if I didn't turn the channel just before Troy called in! When I saw this thread, I just KNEW it had to be about that segment with Bob and Dan.

 

[Jimz31]

Is Troy a P1? I didn't know that.

Troy downloads the fake Jerry and fake Wade bits and plays them for some of the guys he works with.

The guys that imitate them had some network guys ask them to do a little skit for them.

 

[Venger]

Aikman would blow his brains out if he had to sit through a chat room round these parts... "we don't run enough" BANG! thud...

 

[Hostile]

That was a clinic.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Very interesting. Even post game hindsight analysis is conservative in the face of a passing league.

Great audio and I for one really appreciate being able to listen to it.

 

[chuffly]

Very interesting. Even post game hindsight analysis is conservative in the face of a passing league.

Great audio and I for one really appreciate being able to listen to it.

I did think that Troy brought up a very good point about fans' postgame analysis being very conservative. The whole Belichek fourth down fiasco is a very good example of that.

 

[Idgit]

Awesome stuff, dc. Thanks.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Nice. I heard Bob and Dan talking about this conversation earlier today. I was wanting to hear it. Thanks for posting it.

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't buy Troy's argument about people not crying for more passing after the Washington game.

He can say its an excuse all he wants but Romo was playing like crap up until that scoring drive.

Half of Romo's completions came on that scoring drive. Romo missed multiple throws in the 1st half alone and if it wasn't for butterfingers by Fletcher and McIntosh, Romo throws 2 picks in the 1st half.

Troy even pointed out that Romo was missing high right before Folk missed his kick because Romo had just highballed Roy for the 2nd time, killing a drive.

You don't go like 8/19 for 53 minutes and try to make an argument that Dallas should have been throwing it more just because Romo nutted up and finished that scoring drive 7/8.

Sorry, just doesn't work. 8/19 is putrid and is even more putrid by the fact that a couple of those completions were check downs to the flat and there was even a shovel to Barber on that failed FG drive.

Romo was off, plain and simple. Looking at the scoring drive where he collected himself and made it happen as evidence for more passing is like watching Felix's TD run from Thursday and concluding that Dallas should run like 40 times per game.

Any and everything can look good when eyeballing a small window. Take a step back and see that the passing game was killing more drives than it was sustaining for the 1st three quarters and the story changes.

 

[Idgit]

I don't buy Troy's argument about people not crying for more passing after the Washington game.

He can say its an excuse all he wants but Romo was playing like crap up until that scoring drive.

Half of Romo's completions came on that drive. Romo missed multiple throws in the 1st half alone and if it wasn't for butterfingers by Fletcher and McIntosh, Romo throws 2 picks in the 1st half.

Troy even pointed out that Romo was missing high right before Folk missed his kick because Romo had just highballed Roy for the 2nd time.

You don't go like 8/19 for 53 minutes and try to make an argument that Dallas should have been throwing it more just because Romo nutted up and finished that drive with a 7/8.

Sorry, just doesn't work. 8/19 is putrid and is even more putrid by the fact that a couple of those completions were check downs to the flat and there was even a shovel to Barber on that failed FG drive.

Romo was off, plain and simple. Looking at the scoring drive where he collected himself and made it happen as evidence for more passing is like watching Felix's TD run from Thursday and concluding that Dallas should run like 40 times per game.

Any and everything can look good when eyeballing a small window. Take a step back and see that the passing game was killing more drives than it was sustaining for the 1st three quarters and the story changes.

It's probably safe to say that when Troy says 'passing wins games in today's NFL,' he's talking about completions.

On the flip side, people were arguing after GB week that a putrid running game keeps defenses honest and helps with play action, so maybe rationality doesn't have that much to do with these second-guessing arguments, anyway.

 

[Hoofbite]

It's probably safe to say that when Troy says 'passing wins games in today's NFL,' he's talking about completions.

I wasn't trying to argue that. I was just pointing out that he was just all over the fact that nobody was calling in for more passing after the passing game produced the points.

I just think that's a completely foolish argument to make considering Romo was stinking up the joint and nearly turned the ball over multiple times up until the drive where the points were scored.

I mean, he threw the ball almost 30 times and it was only the 8 passes that got it done in that scoring drive. What was happening for the rest of the afternoon?

I think simply looking at the one drive and drawing a conclusion is just as bad as what Troy is accusing some people of in looking at the box score for total runs and drawing a conclusion. Neither scenario is getting the whole story.

I will hand it to Troy though, he wasn't completely deflecting away from Garrett. He made it known that he doesn't agree with some of the calls in certain situations.

Troy's pretty balanced and makes some good points even though I don't agree with one of the ones he is harping on.

 

[Idgit]

I wasn't trying to argue that. I was just pointing out that he was just all over the fact that nobody was calling in for more passing after the passing game produced the points.

I just think that's a completely foolish argument to make considering Romo was stinking up the joint and nearly turned the ball over multiple times up until the drive where the points were scored.

I mean, he threw the ball almost 30 times and it was only the 8 passes that got it done in that scoring drive. What was happening for the rest of the afternoon?

I think simply looking at the one drive and drawing a conclusion is just as bad as what Troy is accusing some people of in looking at the box score for total runs and drawing a conclusion. Neither scenario is getting the whole story.

I will hand it to Troy though, he wasn't completely deflecting away from Garrett. He made it known that he doesn't agree with some of the calls in certain situations.

Troy's pretty balanced and makes some good points even though I don't agree with one of the ones he is harping on.

We were going to be run-heavy against that Commander defense--especially without Haynesworth--no matter what. Especially after Romo took a knee to the back and stopped hitting open receivers. I think Troy was using that game to illustrate the point that even after an ineffective showing featuring run-heavy play calling, nobody ever calls for more passing. Maybe because of Romo's play that day that game wasn't a good example, but the point's still a good one.

 

[NextGenBoys]

That was some great stuff right there. Simply great.

Aikman pretty much echoes all of my sentiments, especially the GB game and "abandoning the run"

 

[Idgit]

That was some great stuff right there. Simply great.

Aikman pretty much echoes all of my sentiments, especially the GB game and "abandoning the run"

Mine, too. Including the criticism of Garret's play calling of fade routes from the one yard line.