Austin news on WR Roy Williams

[btcutter]

I love the idea of getting Roy but I would not give up a first for him. Especially 22. I just think that if we could get a very high second out of that first, Detroit would take it. If we could pull of a deal with Atlanta or Miami for there 2nd, I think we could then trade that second for Williams and Detroit would take it. That's what I believe. I mean, what choice would they really have?

If we ended up trading a 1st for Williams, I would definatly want another pick back from Detroit. Maybe an 09 3rd.

I like to hear the reason for not giving up a #1 esp the 28th for Roy? Draft is a crap shoot. Have you check out the bust list for WRs recently? Troy Williamson, Mark Clayton (maybe too early), Mike Williams, Charles Rogers......and they take years to develop.

I have no problem with giving up our 28 or 22 pick for him.

My concern is that if JJ pay RW, what is he going to do with TO? You know TO still believe he is better and probably so. How much are you going to put in the WR position?

 

[Mansta54]

I like to hear the reason for not giving up a #1 esp the 28th for Roy? Draft is a crap shoot. Have you check out the bust list for WRs recently? Troy Williamson, Mark Clayton (maybe too early), Mike Williams, Charles Rogers......and they take years to develop.

I have no problem with giving up our 28 or 22 pick for him.

My concern is that if JJ pay RW, what is he going to do with TO? You know TO still believe he is better and probably so. How much are you going to put in the WR position?

I couldn't agree with you more. Either pick is peanuts for RW a top notch proven WR.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Whom do you think has a greater need to go out and acquire a veteran probowl WR, the Cowboys or Eagles?

God forbid the Cowboys were to pull off a trade for Williams for anything less than a first round pick.

They'd have to dig a fricken moat around the NovaCare complex and prepare for a 100,000 fan siege.

I'd imagine the Eagles. To me, it's just a matter of offering what the market bares. If you don't have to give 28 over all, then don't give it. If we had to trade a player away because they were not happy or we were cap strapped, nobody would be lining up to offer us more then what they absolutly had to. I just don't understand the mentality. I don't see any way Detroit wouldn't accept a high 2nd round pick for him. Maybe it's just me.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I like to hear the reason for not giving up a #1 esp the 28th for Roy? Draft is a crap shoot. Have you check out the bust list for WRs recently? Troy Williamson, Mark Clayton (maybe too early), Mike Williams, Charles Rogers......and they take years to develop.

I have no problem with giving up our 28 or 22 pick for him.

My concern is that if JJ pay RW, what is he going to do with TO? You know TO still believe he is better and probably so. How much are you going to put in the WR position?

You don't over pay. How many teams will be willing to give up a 1st rd pick for a WR in this draft?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I love the idea of putting together the dream team, but someone needs to tell me how Jerry will be able to pay Roy Williams, DeMarcus Ware, Marion Barber, Terrence Newman.. and how about Terrell Owens, who is sure to start his antics by mid-season since he's in the last year of his contract?

If someone can tell me how that gets done, then it sounds good to me.

Exactly. We have to draft and develop players at some point. We haven't been able to do it on our O-line, so we need to do it elsewhere.

I'd love for Roy to be a Cowboy, but I still think WR is a *relatively* non-critical position when it comes to winning Superbowls. Great for fantasy leagues and highlights, not so great for collecting Lombardis. I'll be royally ticked off if Jerry brings in all these guys just to help our Romo at the expense of our defense.

 

[Mansta54]

You don't over pay. How many teams will be willing to give up a 1st rd pick for a WR in this draft?

To give the Lions our 22 or 28 for RW is far from over paying... Far from it!!!!

 

[btcutter]

You don't over pay. How many teams will be willing to give up a 1st rd pick for a WR in this draft?

Explain to me why the 22nd or 28th pick in this draft is overpaying for RW, a young talented and PROVEN WR, whom we don't have to develop.

Unless you can guarantee that our 22nd or 28th pick will net us a WR similar to RW and productive immediately for 08.....we are not overpaying. In fact, we are stealing.

Limas Sweed, Malcome Kelly, Devon Thomas......all projected in the 1st round and some even in the top 15. Give me a break! Give me RW any day of the week over any of these unproven kids.

 

[khiladi]

Explain to me why the 22nd or 28th pick in this draft is overpaying for RW, a young talented and PROVEN WR, whom we don't have to develop.

Unless you can guarantee that our 22nd or 28th pick will net us a WR similar to RW and productive immediately for 08.....we are not overpaying. In fact, we are stealing.

Limas Sweed, Malcome Kelly, Devon Thomas......all projected in the 1st round and some even in the top 15. Give me a break! Give me RW any day of the week over any of these unproven kids.

Seriously.. Drafting one of these kids over Roy is just stupid....

 

[Mansta54]

Seriously.. Drafting one of these kids over Roy is just stupid....

For sure!!! There are no guaranteed RW in this draft. RW is young, proven, and damn good.. They can have our 22 or 28 for him...

 

[AsthmaField]

I can see this happening but it's a little bit of a long shot, IMO.

Detroit has to think that RW won't sign a new contract and is dead set on testing free agency next year. Plus they have to think that he won't want to re-sign with Detroit once in free agency. In that scenario, Detroit will realize that this is Roy Williams' last year in the Motor City.

Then, they have to realize that this year means little to them in terms of chasing a championship.

Detroit might trade him for a #1 this year if they realize that:

1. This is RW's last year in Detroit.
2. They aren't a team that is close and have to have him in 2008.
3. They already have a #1 WR in CJ and some pretty good WR's besides him and Roy... and so will be just fine at the WR position. Particularly considering they want to pass less and run more.
4. They realize they have a large number of holes on their roster that need filling.

If all of that is true and Detroit understands that... then I can see them trying to just get a #1 pick for him this year instead of letting him play one more meaningless year in Detroit and moving on with no compensation to that franchise.

Frankly, it wouldn't be a bad move for them, IMO. Basically, they would have used a #1 pick on a WR that not only brought a #1 pick in return for them... but also played every year in Detroit except for the last on his rookie contract. With that #1 they can take one of their 4 first round WR's and turn him into a different first rounder at a different position more in need of talent than their WR spots.

It would be good for Dallas because Williams is a caliber of WR (and young) that you don't normally see in free agency... and even if you do, the market for them is highly competitive in both dollars and the number of teams trying to get them. Plus, Williams is better than anyone Dallas is likely to see at the 28 spot in this year's draft.

Like I said: It's a longshot... but it does make sense for both teams, so I see it as a possibility.

 

[Thomas82]

I remember wanting us to find a way to get Roy Williams when he came out of college.

 

[Eskimo]

I still think we are better off keeping our first round picks instead of trading them for vets and giving out $9-10M/yr contracts on top of it.

If Lions want to franchise him next year, so be it.

I think we are better off using the pick on a RB and possibly trading Barber to a willing draft partner to get another first rounder. This will give us lots of money for FA next year to pursue a WR.

For those arguing short-term goals the question is value. What is better for the next two years? TO + TNew + first round RB + first round pick (assuming we can move Barber) or RW + Barber. I like my scenario better both for the short-term and long-term as I think RW and Barber are both overrated. So long as there is a cap, we have to think about the most efficient use of contract money.

 

[Angus]

Too many people, I think, are completely discounting the young wide receivers already on the team. The grass is always greener I guess . . .

Dallas will do just fine, I expect, if Dallas keeps its draft picks and uses them on the offensive line and the defensive backfield.

 

[btcutter]

I still think we are better off keeping our first round picks instead of trading them for vets and giving out $9-10M/yr contracts on top of it.

If Lions want to franchise him next year, so be it.

I think we are better off using the pick on a RB and possibly trading Barber to a willing draft partner to get another first rounder. This will give us lots of money for FA next year to pursue a WR.

For those arguing short-term goals the question is value. What is better for the next two years? TO + TNew + first round RB + first round pick (assuming we can move Barber) or RW + Barber. I like my scenario better both for the short-term and long-term as I think RW and Barber are both overrated. So long as there is a cap, we have to think about the most efficient use of contract money.

1. By next yr FA WR will cost more than $9-10m per yr (try 11-13m per at the least).
2. No one knows who's going to be in FA next yr. Bidding in FA is almost never smart.
3. Don't over value your 1st round pick. Remember alot of them (always with high hopes) turn BUSTS. Proven is almost always better than unproven talent.
4. TO+ TNEW+ RW+Barber+ 1st round (CB)+ 2nd or 3rd round RB sounds even better to me.

 

[btcutter]

Too many people, I think, are completely discounting the young wide receivers already on the team. The grass is always greener I guess . . .

Dallas will do just fine, I expect, if Dallas keeps its draft picks and uses them on the offensive line and the defensive backfield.

I must have missed something? Which of our young WRs have shown flashes of #1 WR?

Yes, Dallas may do just fine with what we have but we like to get better and win a SB.

 

[Eskimo]

1. By next yr FA WR will cost more than $9-10m per yr (try 11-13m per at the least).
2. No one knows who's going to be in FA next yr. Bidding in FA is almost never smart.
3. Don't over value your 1st round pick. Remember alot of them (always with high hopes) turn BUSTS. Proven is almost always better than unproven talent.
4. TO+ TNEW+ RW+Barber+ 1st round (CB)+ 2nd or 3rd round RB sounds even better to me.

It is unlikely we can afford two WRs making 10M/yr given how much we have invested elsewhere on the team. I doubt this is possible unless we are sure there is no cap beyond 2009.

I am not even sure we can afford TO + TNew + DWare + Canty let alone adding in big contracts for RW and Barber.