Babe Laufenberg's thoughts...going from good to great.

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How Can The 'Boys Go From Good To Great?

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The season ends well for only one of the 32 NFL teams, but for the second consecutive season, it ended very, very badly for the Dallas Cowboys. However, unlike last season, the Cowboys have some things they can build on, instead of trying to figure out how to re-shape the chemistry of the football team.

The Cowboys now face the toughest challenge in all of sports. How to go from a good team to a great team.

So here are some of my reflections on this past season, some decisions that the Cowboys have in front of them, and some thoughts for next year.

1) Wade Phillips. Yes, I think it is a good thing that he will be back, even if he does not inspire a great deal of excitement or optimism. He is a victim of his personality, or lack thereof. If your measure for success is winning a Super Bowl, than clearly he fell short, and may for the rest of his career. But look at things on face value. He took over a 9-7 team, and has gone 13-3, 9-7, and 11-5. That is 33-15, and that is pretty good. He has the first playoff win this organization has seen in 13 years. Bill Parcells has no bigger fan than me, but in four years he never won over 10 games here. He did leave two things to remember him by: an organization that was in much better shape than when he found it, and a quarterback.

2) Speaking of that quarterback….Tony Romo made tremendous strides this year, throwing 26 touchdowns against just 9 interceptions. He was a better leader, because there was a framework in place for leadership to emerge. That will need to continue. I truly believe he has his best years ahead of him, and he already has a couple of pretty good years behind him. But again, taking a good team, in any sport, from good to great is the toughest task of all. We will see if he is up for the challenge. Remember, Payton Manning took 6 years before his first playoff win, 9 for a Super Bowl win. Tony Dungy came in studio for our Sunday night “Score” show earlier this season, and I asked him what he told Manning when he continually came up short. He said that he told him to keep getting them into the playoffs, he would get better players around him, and they would get it done. That is exactly what happened.

3) Roy Williams? Wow, He was simply unproductive, and the Cowboys are going to have to make the hard decision. Do we play Roy because of what we gave him and what we gave up to get him, or do we play the best player? Kevin Ogletree was so much better than Roy this year that it wasn’t even close. The kid may be a real player. They waited four years to unleash Miles Austin on the rest of the league. They can’t wait that long for Ogletree. I was really hoping that someone (Jerry? Wade? Jason Garrett?) would go to Roy and say, “We have to play the best player right now, and that is Kevin Ogletree.” That didn’t happen. Roy Williams is a limited player. The Cowboys need to accept that it was a bad trade, and not be burdened by that trade. Bad trades happen. Bad drafts happen. You move on. Organizations have to make the hard decision. They made it with Terrell Owens. Now they need to make it with Roy. That doesn’t necessarily mean release him, but it does mean you tell him he will have to earn his spot next year, that his starting role is not a Supreme Court Lifetime Appointment. Moreover, while we are on the wide receiver position, they need to take one high in this year’s draft. The NFL has become a passing league, and you have to have somebody to throw it to. The greatest contribution…and let me make this clear…you do not want to see an injury to anyone…was Roy getting hurt in Denver and missing the Kansas City game, allowing Miles Austin to let people know that he could play a little. No injury, no Miles, and maybe, no playoffs.

4) What a nice segue into this thought. Don’t worry about stopping the run and running the football. That has gone the way of the gas guzzling SUV. 3 of the top 4 rushing teams, and 6 of the top 10, did not make the playoffs. 7 of the top 8 passing teams did make it, and the one that did not (Houston) finished 9-7. The Cowboys held Adrian Peterson to 63 yards on 26 carries, a 2.4 average. They lost 34-3.

5) I know it has been given the once over, but really, what were the Vikings doing going play action and throwing a touchdown pass on fourth and three? Yes, the Cowboys are big boys, and yes they are getting paid to stop the other team, but really? It just showed a lack of respect for the game and their opponent. I like Brad Childress, I really do. But it sounds like he was mad at the national media for picking Dallas over his football team, so he took the opportunity to rub it in. In psychology, it’s called displacement. You know, bad day at the office, so you go home and kick the dog. That one had me scratching my head. And spare the lame stuff about the Cowboys using their time outs. That was with 6 minutes to go in the game. Improbable that they could make up 24 points in 6 minutes? Yes. Impossible? No.

6) And finally, I know I am a few days late in the celebration of Martin Luther King Day, but do yourself a favor and read his, “I Have a Dream” speech. Dr. King was such a tremendous orator that I think the depth and conviction of his speech gets overlooked. It was one of the great speeches ever delivered. Just tremendous, and nearly 50 years later, still deserving of your time.

Babe Laufenberg
 

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Excellent stuff. Babe is extremely underrated and deserves more national recognition/opportunities.
 

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Babe is my favorite Sports analyst.

And though I disagree with him on the Roy scenerio ..... I would trust his judgment on Football related matters over my own.

I hope they take his advice on the draft.

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theebs;3247833 said:
http://pod08.prospero.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?webtag=ktvt_bullpen

How Can The 'Boys Go From Good To Great?


3) Roy Williams? Wow, He was simply unproductive, and the Cowboys are going to have to make the hard decision. Do we play Roy because of what we gave him and what we gave up to get him, or do we play the best player? Kevin Ogletree was so much better than Roy this year that it wasn’t even close. The kid may be a real player. They waited four years to unleash Miles Austin on the rest of the league. They can’t wait that long for Ogletree. I was really hoping that someone (Jerry? Wade? Jason Garrett?) would go to Roy and say, “We have to play the best player right now, and that is Kevin Ogletree.” That didn’t happen. Roy Williams is a limited player. The Cowboys need to accept that it was a bad trade, and not be burdened by that trade. Bad trades happen. Bad drafts happen. You move on. Organizations have to make the hard decision. They made it with Terrell Owens. Now they need to make it with Roy. That doesn’t necessarily mean release him, but it does mean you tell him he will have to earn his spot next year, that his starting role is not a Supreme Court Lifetime Appointment. Moreover, while we are on the wide receiver position, they need to take one high in this year’s draft. The NFL has become a passing league, and you have to have somebody to throw it to. The greatest contribution…and let me make this clear…you do not want to see an injury to anyone…was Roy getting hurt in Denver and missing the Kansas City game, allowing Miles Austin to let people know that he could play a little. No injury, no Miles, and maybe, no playoffs.


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I have to say I agree with Babe on this. Especially the RW comment. I like RW and have been a big supporter and still am, however heading into next season if RW wants the playing time he needs to go earn it. If Ogletree or someone else steps up and earns the job then they should be the ones seeing the playing time. Nothing personal just business
 

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Kevin Ogletree was so much better than Roy this year that it wasn&#8217;t even close. The kid may be a real player.

I wonder exactly what this means? I thought Williams was supposed to be this great practice player and worker. Ogletree did well, but even the plays he made were not that special. He's got potential and I want to get excited so this is why this statement struck me. Wasn't even close. That's high praise and fairly damaging to the party line about Williams.
 

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Alexander;3247846 said:
Kevin Ogletree was so much better than Roy this year that it wasn’t even close. The kid may be a real player.

I wonder exactly what this means? I thought Williams was supposed to be this great practice player and worker. Ogletree did well, but even the plays he made were not that special. He's got potential and I want to get excited so this is why this statement struck me. Wasn't even close. That's high praise and fairly damaging to the party line about Williams.


he has been saying that since the first philly game and praising him most of the season. As the season wore on he really emphasized like he is doing here that ogletree should be given roy's snaps.

He actually made the statement I think it was during the san diego game that if the organization had the guts this is a good time to make ogletree the starter and let williams earn his way back on the field.

Not many here listen to the radio broadcast for some reason and I didnt want to post that because people would jump me for it!

babe is close with the garretts and talks to romo alot so its not just his judgement on ogletree I suspect that is making him think this.

Either way, since I have lived here the guy is batting a 1.000 on these types of things so I trust everything he says.
 

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Alexander;3247846 said:
I wonder exactly what this means? I thought Williams was supposed to be this great practice player and worker. Ogletree did well, but even the plays he made were not that special. He's got potential and I want to get excited so this is why this statement struck me. Wasn't even close. That's high praise and fairly damaging to the party line about Williams.

How can anyone defend Williams at this point? I don't get it. Not so sure Ogletree is the answer, but in addition to being close to a zero in some of our tougher matchups Williams also takes away vital snaps from Ogletree who may or may not develop into a starter.
 

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I really enjoyed Babe's commentary, but I don't see the Cowboys taking a WR as high as Babe appears to be recommending.

With the emergence of Austin, and now possibly Ogletree, along with the consistency of Crayton and the hopeful pick-up of RW's game, I don't think JJ will take a WR that high.

That's not saying we shouldn't take a WR high, but my guess is that we would try to improve other positions first, unless an incredibly gifted WR fell into our laps on draft day.
 

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Doomsay;3247856 said:
How can anyone defend Williams at this point? I don't get it.

Easy. He is still being endorsed by the staff and ownership. He is still starting. So if you defer to the "experts" and do not believe there might be some agenda to force an issue because of the price we paid, then there is still a defense. I have not "got it" since last year, even when we were told all offseason and camp that it needed to get right with Romo. The issue is Williams. His confidence. His abilities. Not some mythical reputation that he has "done it everywhere he has been". Well he has not done it in Dallas. It is just simple as that.
 

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By the way, not that I'm one to always say trade this or that player on the roster, etc.

but, wasn't KC interested in trading their WR Bowe at some stage this season?

I'm not sure what they were looking for in terms of pick(s). but, if the Cowboys are looking for a WR, maybe they take a look at facilitating a trade or giving up a reasonable pick.

that said, as much as i would like to get another WR who could stretch the field along with austin (and that WR is probably not Bowe, by the way, i'm just throwing this out there), i'm not sure this ranks that highly in terms of personnel priorities, though i think it would really add a new dimension to our offense.
 

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Woods;3247866 said:
By the way, not that I'm one to always say trade this or that player on the roster, etc.

but, wasn't KC interested in trading their WR Bowe at some stage this season?

I'm not sure what they were looking for in terms of pick(s). but, if the Cowboys are looking for a WR, maybe they take a look at facilitating a trade or giving up a reasonable pick.

that said, as much as i would like to get another WR who could stretch the field along with austin (and that WR is probably not Bowe, by the way, i'm just throwing this out there), i'm not sure this ranks that highly in terms of personnel priorities, though i think it would really add a new dimension to our offense.

Bowe got into the dog house because of too many dropped passes, not sure I want to trade for a guy who is being shown the door because of poor play.
 

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Is Roy who we thought he was? No! But like Jimmy Johnson said, you have to find the things that Roy is good at and use them. Roy was the #7 overall pick. Roy was then traded from Detorit to Dallas for ANOTHER 1st round pick...AND a 3rd round pick. Roy received a HUGE signing bonus when he came out of college....then he received ANOTHER huge signing bonus after being traded to Dallas. Does this MEANS he is great? No! But there is NO WAY this guy is THIS bad. The team and Roy have to work to get him more invloved....if they try like heck this offseason to get him more involved...and it does not happen next year...then you move on. But you do NOT move on now. Heck Joey Galloway had his BEST years AFTER leaving Dallas and AFTER several injuries. Even Antonio Bryant finally became the player we all thougt he could be. There is too much invested in Roy to throw it away just yet.
 
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You can't really argue with Babe about Ogletree being better than Roy this year. The few times we actually put Ogletree in the game and threw him the ball, he made plays. Freakish sideline tippy toe grab, screen plays, etc. Even when we called plays for Roy he didn't scare anybody.
 

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I like Babe's opinions, too, and more than anything I like all the attention channel 11 gives to the Cowboys, but he has a HUGE ego and thinks he's Ron Wolf reincarnate in his scouting abilities. So that's part of his push for Ogletree -- that's his boy and he's going to prop him up constantly.

I mean, I like Ogletree too, and I was very disappointed in Roy. But to act like an undrafted rookie should be given that much playing time over a vet like Roy is a little crazy. The modern passing game is very complicated with all its checks and adjustments -- we saw miscues between Miles and Tony cost us INTs and critical incompletions against Denver and KC, and Miles has been here for years now. So let's not act like a raw rookie like Ogletree could handle all that being put on his plate.

And BTW -- anyone notice his comments on the last score? Yeah, someone who actually played the game. It's not about "mercy", it's about respect for your opponent and, even more, the game. Too bad he's not as smart as a bunch of MMA fans, I guess.
 

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bbailey423;3247875 said:
Is Roy who we thought he was? No! But like Jimmy Johnson said, you have to find the things that Roy is good at and use them. Roy was the #7 overall pick. Roy was then traded from Detorit to Dallas for ANOTHER 1st round pick...AND a 3rd round pick. Roy received a HUGE signing bonus when he came out of college....then he received ANOTHER huge signing bonus after being traded to Dallas. Does this MEANS he is great? No! But there is NO WAY this guy is THIS bad. The team and Roy have to work to get him more invloved....if they try like heck this offseason to get him more involved...and it does not happen next year...then you move on. But you do NOT move on now. Heck Joey Galloway had his BEST years AFTER leaving Dallas and AFTER several injuries. Even Antonio Bryant finally became the player we all thougt he could be. There is too much invested in Roy to throw it away just yet.

I agree but I also think RW given his 1st 2 seasons here will have to fight for playing time. I hope RW uses this off season to work on his game and present a real challenge for a starting spot. Right now Austin is the only WR who will head into next year not fighting for a starting role.
 

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Doomsday101;3247887 said:
I agree but I also think RW given his 1st 2 seasons here will have to fight for playing time. I hope RW uses this off season to work on his game and present a real challenge for a starting spot. Right now Austin is the only WR who will head into next year not fighting for a starting role.
I have no problem with him fighting for playing time. But the notion that he needs to be cut is ABSURD. The guy is still young....has good size...decent speed, his hands at one point were considered great....is not afraid to go over the middle. Let's give it another year.
 

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Good reality check type post 'Choc lab'....but it doesn't change the fact RW has to step it up BIG time this season or else. I think they approach him to restructure his contract regardless...at least I hope they do.
 

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Alexander;3247846 said:
I wonder exactly what this means? I thought Williams was supposed to be this great practice player and worker. Ogletree did well, but even the plays he made were not that special. He's got potential and I want to get excited so this is why this statement struck me. Wasn't even close. That's high praise and fairly damaging to the party line about Williams.

This struck me as odd as well. I'm no scout, but what has Babe seen that I haven't?

I'm not defending Roy, but which ones of Ogletree's 7 receptions (most were screens) were so impressive that you can definitively say he was head and shoulders better than Roy.

And how can you be so high on Ogletree, with Austin already a premier #1, and solid production from Crayton, and still suggest we need to take a receiver in the first.

I'd love for Ogletree to emerge. I had high hopes for RW, and I still think he'll be a good player for us, but I hold no allegence to the kid. I'm just confused where Babe is coming from on this.
 

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bbailey423;3247892 said:
I have no problem with him fighting for playing time. But the notion that he needs to be cut is ABSURD. The guy is still young....has good size...decent speed, his hands at one point were considered great....is not afraid to go over the middle. Let's give it another year.

I agree. I also think the Cowboys have made a big investment in him and it is critical to do everything you can to make it pay off. However the team can't afford to hand him the job any longer he must go out and earn it. I think this very well could be a make or break season for RW in Dallas. I hope he can make the most of it.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3247882 said:
I like Babe's opinions, too, and more than anything I like all the attention channel 11 gives to the Cowboys, but he has a HUGE ego and thinks he's Ron Wolf reincarnate in his scouting abilities. So that's part of his push for Ogletree -- that's his boy and he's going to prop him up constantly.

I mean, I like Ogletree too, and I was very disappointed in Roy. But to act like an undrafted rookie should be given that much playing time over a vet like Roy is a little crazy. The modern passing game is very complicated with all its checks and adjustments -- we saw miscues between Miles and Tony cost us INTs and critical incompletions against Denver and KC, and Miles has been here for years now. So let's not act like a raw rookie like Ogletree could handle all that being put on his plate.

And BTW -- anyone notice his comments on the last score? Yeah, someone who actually played the game. It's not about "mercy", it's about respect for your opponent and, even more, the game. Too bad he's not as smart as a bunch of MMA fans, I guess.


I took his comments during the san diego game about getting ogletree roy's snaps now as getting part of that learning curve out of the way so he will be a better player sooner.

And from all the way back to camp, he has thought highly of him from what I have heard him comment on because of his speed and route running ability. I think that is what has impressed him the most, he runs good routes and has the explosion to make the huge play.
 
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