Been on here 10 years, can't remember CZ so depressed

[bysbox1]

What has me depressed is Elliot's going to come back , we'll be out of the playoff race but we'll win the last two games and Jerry will proclaim everything's right again and we're ready for next season.

I don’t know if we’ll win the last 2 games. Zeke will have to get back to game speed and the Seahawks are in the middle of a battle for first place with the Rams and will need to win as many games as possible. They’ll be tough to beat and we don’t play well at home. And I don’t think the Eagles are going to lie down and just let us win at their house. I bet they play all their starters in spite of having the playoffs and home field advantage locked up by then. Plus it’s Philly in the winter and you don’t know what the weather will have in store for us. And Dallas notoriously does not play well in cold weather games.

Remember the problems were there even when Zeke was playing.

We could easily see a 7-9 season, with us only beating the Giants.

 

[bysbox1]

My depression stems from the fact that no matter what this team does in the front office or on the field King Goodell and the NFL hyarchy has the deck stacked against us.
That's the risk of Jerry going after the king
If your peasants revolt fails your *** is done for.

Doesn’t matter what the NFL office does. That’s another excuse. Does Goodell play the games? You learn how to overcome that. We are not the only team with Goodell problems, even if their magnified because Jerry won’t keep his mouth shut.

 

[Hardline]

Doesn’t matter what the NFL office does. That’s another excuse. Does Goodell play the games? You learn how to overcome that. We are not the only team with Goodell problems, even if their magnified because Jerry won’t keep his mouth shut.

I didn't say a word about the NFL front office. I didn't say Goodell play the games. We are in fact the only team that its perfectly OK for offensive lineman to practically mug our defensive linemen.We are the only team that has an innocent unconvicted RB on suspension. Don't create strawmen. What I posted is 100% undeniable and unarguable

And you don't overcome running a marathon when someone cuts off your legs.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Another 8 and 8 year, a mid level draft pick, another year of Garrett. Who can really get excited for that?

 

[Galian Beast]

So many factors.

I think some people really saw Dak as this elite quarterback and reality is starting to set in that he was who I thought he was. A bus driver QB who with all the right tools at every position could have some success. Stunned people thought he was better than Wentz, and stunned people thought he was a better option than Romo.

There was a reason he was drafted in the 4th round last year. People were so caught up in how bad Weeden and Cassell were, that they completely put this kid on a pedestal after going 13-3 against some really weak teams. The Giants went 11-5 last year and were also not a good team. The Commanders went 8-7-1, and even the Eagles went 7-9.

Then you have the incompetence of Jerry Jones, Jason Garrett, and this front office. Every year they rest on their laurels, we bite it hard the next year. They keep thinking they can maintain the status quo and the results are always the same. It's why the team never puts together back to back winning seasons. They have success, then the rest, and then they get wrecked.

Then you have some disappointment regarding players like Zeke and Jaylon and as someone said that 2016 draft is really starting to look a lot worse. Then you have some other first round picks who are underwhelming like Byron Jones and Taco Charlton.

It's a bad recipe and worse there is no sign of relief in sight.

 

[Bullflop]

It does. But why??

When the NFL itself seems determined to bring your team down to its knees, that's an enormous curse in itself. To make matters worse, this team is devoid of the required backup help that is so necessary to recover.

The offseason to come will be an enormous challenge in terms of this team's management being able to recover. Most of us have little confidence that the FO will do what it takes to resolve our many deficiencies. Depending almost entirely upon the draft for relief with little to no resolve to acquire capable talent from veteran free agency offers no effective solution.

 

[bysbox1]

I didn't say a word about the NFL front office. I didn't say Goodell play the games. We are in fact the only team that its perfectly OK for offensive lineman to practically mug our defensive linemen.We are the only team that has an innocent unconvicted RB on suspension. Don't create strawmen. What I posted is 100% undeniable and unarguable

And you don't overcome running a marathon when someone cuts off your legs.

This is where we can agree to disagree. I watch games every week and see the a lot of other team defenses go through the muggings from offensive lines. And it's not the first time that an unconvicted player has been suspended. For example Rothlisberger was suspended in 2010 for 6 games and never charged. The Steelers still went 12-4 and went to the playoffs.

The system is broke. It's not perfect. There are have been more 10 times more suspensions since 2000 than there were in the before then. Personally I think the rules need to be changed where the player needs to have a verifiable offense before these types of punishments are handed out. And the NFL really could use full time referees to home in on their skills on a week by week basis and get the calls right.

But right now that's the way the system is. And every other team goes through these things in some form, not just Dallas. Dallas coaches need to get over it and get through the adversity like other teams do. Anything else whether undeniable and unarguable is another excuse that's used as a crutch.

 

[Zordon]

So many factors.

I think some people really saw Dak as this elite quarterback and reality is starting to set in that he was who I thought he was. A bus driver QB who with all the right tools at every position could have some success. Stunned people thought he was better than Wentz, and stunned people thought he was a better option than Romo.

There was a reason he was drafted in the 4th round last year. People were so caught up in how bad Weeden and Cassell were, that they completely put this kid on a pedestal after going 13-3 against some really weak teams. The Giants went 11-5 last year and were also not a good team. The Commanders went 8-7-1, and even the Eagles went 7-9.

Then you have the incompetence of Jerry Jones, Jason Garrett, and this front office. Every year they rest on their laurels, we bite it hard the next year. They keep thinking they can maintain the status quo and the results are always the same. It's why the team never puts together back to back winning seasons. They have success, then the rest, and then they get wrecked.

Then you have some disappointment regarding players like Zeke and Jaylon and as someone said that 2016 draft is really starting to look a lot worse. Then you have some other first round picks who are underwhelming like Byron Jones and Taco Charlton.

It's a bad recipe and worse there is no sign of relief in sight.

Yes, I think you make a very good point here. Complacency and a sense of security settles into this franchise anytime they taste a bit of success. I bet a lot of people in this franchise (players included) thought that we were going to start where we left off last year. After a 13-3 year, the front office sat on their hands assuming they had a good team. They don't take into account that players are a year older, the schedule is tougher, tape is being passed around on Dak now. In Garrett's early years, it seemed like this team always had difficulty staying focused week to week....now the franchise can't stay focused season to season. It's frustrating....

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I don’t know if we’ll win the last 2 games. Zeke will have to get back to game speed and the Seahawks are in the middle of a battle for first place with the Rams and will need to win as many games as possible. They’ll be tough to beat and we don’t play well at home. And I don’t think the Eagles are going to lie down and just let us win at their house. I bet they play all their starters in spite of having the playoffs and home field advantage locked up by then. Plus it’s Philly in the winter and you don’t know what the weather will have in store for us. And Dallas notoriously does not play well in cold weather games.

Remember the problems were there even when Zeke was playing.

We could easily see a 7-9 season, with us only beating the Giants.

I wouldn't count on us beating the Giants.

 

[DallasDomination]

We were pretty down after a few Romo late season meltdowns...but that was placed 100% on Romos confidence level. Talent was never an issue.

Now it's like we have no talent and our future qb is having the same confidence Romo had but 10× worse; then add the fact he has less talent. Yeah people are straight up on suicide watch.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I will drink to that !!!

Fire the coaches before you turn off the light.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

The NFL has put Cowboys fans in an awful position. Maybe this hasn't been discussed enough. We are asked to do one of two things; 1) cheer for a player the league has labeled an abuser of women, or 2) support a league that would railroad an innocent man in order to bolster its image.

There is no in-between for the fans. It is one or another. The league created the situation.

On the field, the team hasn't just laid an egg. It has laid a nuclear bomb. That has been tough to absorb. But plenty of us fans were down and angry long before the seams came undone.

Combine a "no win" situation for the fan in the Elliott case with a "no hope" feeling regarding the on-field product, and we are faced with a bitter stew.

Now add to that a legitimately bizarre circumstance with regard to holding penalties. I have no conspiracy theory. I don't know about bias. But it is deeply strange 33 quarters have passed without an opposing OL ticketed for holding. And stranger still when the Cowboys OL has been flagged many more times.

We are so caught up in arguing whether it is somehow intentional. More time should be given to understanding how such a circumstance shakes the faith some fans have in the fairness of the game. That faith underpins interest in any contest.

It surely could be coincidence. But it is bound to raise eyebrows. In the modern, pass-happy NFL, the holding call is one of the game's most consequential. It impacts how each team's line can protect its QB.

There is Garrett fatigue - and understandably so. And there is a general feeling Jones will not make a coaching change, even if necessary, until the team has 3-4 consecutive losing seasons.

The fans are on a Joe Schmidt diet. If you don't know what that is, Google for a laugh.

All that being said, the one-time circumstances can improve. But some of us, I think, will never be able to look at the NFL the same as before. To me that is deeply sad.

 

[LocimusPrime]

The cowboys need to turn things around, not for this season ( it's already lost), but for next season

 

[remdak]

They have never been destroyed on both sides of the ball like this for 3 straight games

 

[BlueStar22]

LOL, This site is always depressed. No one is ever happy, even in the midst of 13-3,

 

[Galian Beast]

LOL, This site is always depressed. No one is ever happy, even in the midst of 13-3,

The irony...

You're so depressed that you seek solace in a 13-3 season.

 

[Sarge]

That is probably because even the moderation can't reconcile what is happening.

They are in a state of shock just like the team is.

Usually board moderation can steer discussion. And they will in times of distress.

Thankfully, there seems to be a laissez faire approach so far.

And that is pretty cool.

I know you're not referring to me because I have been against Garrett since DAY 1.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We've faced dark times, this feels different.

You weren't around for Wade Phillips last year or Parcells last year then

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

Because we’re finally realizing nothing will change.

The Owner/GM is as blind and incompetent as he was 20 years ago.

Garrett sucks, but Jerry is the reason it never gets better. Same result with different players and different coaches.

 

[Blackspider214]

Because people see zero hope with this coaching staff. They are toxic and need to be done away with like Jeff Fisher. You saw how the Rams got a breath of fresh air and new life. They took a gamble on a coach who had zero skins on the wall. All this talk about "well who do you replace him with thats better?". That is total b.s. Garrett is not someone who has had tons of success and has fallen on hard times. He's had zero success and does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. Right now, it's not so much about who to replace Garrett with. It's just about getting rid of him and his toxic ways. That right there is a positive. You can tell he's wearing on the players week after week. It will only get worse. They have no confidence that their coach has their backs and will do everything they can to help them win games.