Behold Jerry's football salvation

[Doomsday101]

And the blind homerism of Aggies fans that don't see that this guy is built like a high school freshman and will be maimed is truly disappointing and not worthy of discussion.

A lot of teams that need a quarterback in the worst way said "No!" to Manziel last night. Only a decrepit second-class franchise with an owner in deep doo-doo with the law stood to benefit from the circus of Johnny Manziel.

even worse is Cleveland does not have a good running game to help take pressure off of Manziel as SF does, seattle as RGIII had in 2012.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

And the blind homerism of Aggies fans that don't see that this guy is built like a high school freshman and will be maimed is truly disappointing and not worthy of discussion.

A lot of teams that need a quarterback in the worst way said "No!" to Manziel last night. Only a decrepit second-class franchise with an owner in deep doo-doo with the law stood to benefit from the circus of Johnny Manziel.

Over the course of NFL history, a lot of teams with a lot of needs have passed on a lot of guys who would have immediately helped them in a major way, so "other teams didn't want him either" doesn't hold much water for me.

 

[erod]

Good style of writing but I guess since you couldnt attack Jerry today you had to find another target, that being the fans that liked JF and could see him as the next franchise QB for Dallas (me included). Im good with our pick he has all pro potential some day. I have two game jerseys currently, Romo white and Romo blue and I hope he last 3 more years but he was off last year and will be fragile the rest of his career. That comes with back surgery ask Troy.

And that's the beauty of sports. Manziel could be great, and I could be wrong. Not the first time for sure.

However, no way was he worth the risk of a first round pick, as many teams apparently agreed. Too many quarterbacks bust to begin with, let alone a guy of his diminutive stature. He's built like Vick, who has never beaten good defenses and has been hurt every season of his career.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

even worse is Cleveland does not have a good running game to help take pressure off of Manziel as SF does, seattle as RGIII had in 2012.

RB's are a dime a dozen. Cleveland will probably get a good one in this draft.

 

[erod]

Over the course of NFL history, a lot of teams with a lot of needs have passed on a lot of guys who would have immediately helped them in a major way, so "other teams didn't want him either" doesn't hold much water for me.

It will all play out. But you're right, I can't stand Manziel or what he and his dysfunctional family of drama queens stand for. Guilty as charged.

I'd take a shot on him in a later round, but no way in the first. I think the odds are 80 percent that he fails. I think the odds are about 1 percent that Martin fails. Easy choice.

 

[Sportsbabe]

I know I've mentioned this before, but you really ought to be a columnist.


And yes, drafting Manziel would have led to 2-3 years of endless "Start Johnny over Romo" furor and clamoring. Most GMs and head coaches would have wanted to avoid that.

... and don't forget the ad nauseum (as if we don't get enough) talking heads, silly, hyperbolic, over-exaggerated, etc, etc coverage of the Dallas Cowboys and Tony Romo.

 

[foofighters]

I don't really care what your opinion is. Didn't say he was speaking directly to me. I don't think anyone has the right to call people out because they like a player. That's jibberish. I also never stated that erod is a bad poster as u enjoy his posts. I had issue with something he said I stated it and moved on.

lol, you are sensitive! Here you go... /hug

 

[Doomsday101]

RB's are a dime a dozen. Cleveland will probably get a good one in this draft.

avg RB are a dime a dozen but like any position tops RB are not. Marshawn Lynch is not some dime a dozen RB for the hawks nor are some of the other top RB in this leauge. They produce in the running game, passing game blocking and redzone situation. Funny how seahawk and 9ers both ranked in the top 5 in rushing yet ranked very low in passing game. Both threw the ball less than any other teams in the NFL.

 

[CowboyStar88]

lol, you are sensitive! Here you go... /hug

Really? Where did you get sensitive? I didn't agree with his POV I stated so. How is that sensitive?

 

[DOUBLE WING]

It will all play out. But you're right, I can't stand Manziel or what he and his dysfunctional family of drama queens stand for. Guilty as charged.

I'd take a shot on him in a later round, but no way in the first. I think the odds are 80 percent that he fails. I think the odds are about 1 percent that Martin fails. Easy choice.

80 percent is ridiculously high.

I have no problem with Martin. I am quite certain he'll be a solid player. In a vaccuum, I don't mind the pick. I do mind the pick knowing that we could have had Manziel. Martin will be a very good player if he pans out. Manziel will be a franchise changer if he pans out.

 

[erod]

80 percent is ridiculously high.

I have no problem with Martin. I am quite certain he'll be a solid player. In a vaccuum, I don't mind the pick. I do mind the pick knowing that we could have had Manziel. Martin will be a very good player if he pans out. Manziel will be a franchise changer if he pans out.

I think 80 percent is actually low. Look, the kid was amazing in college. He's got a gift about him. And certainly, if anyone at that size can do it, it's him.

But RG3 is already crippled. Kaepernick is struggling. Russell Wilson is somewhat of a bus driver on a great team. It never happened for Vick. And he spent most of his college career chucking it up in the air for Evans and Swope, and they came down with it. That won't work up here.

Manziel has the benefit of a decent roster to work with, and I expect a short span of reasonable success. But then, BAM!, there goes some ribs, a knee, a few concussions, and his general spirit. It already happened to RG3; he's a shadow of his college self now. These aren't college kids bringing the heat in the NFL, and soon, he won't be a 20-year-old invincible either.

He wasn't worth the 16th pick, period. 47th? OK, let's do it. But not early. Way too much baggage and uncertainty, and too short of a career ahead.

 

[Crown Royal]

Interesting about what you said "maybe even brent." He is out of jail in June I think, but even if re un-retired he would probably be suspended for a year, no?

 

[CowboyStar88]

I'm honestly shocked, we made the right call hopefully, but as I said last night (and got ridiculed for) I wouldn't be shocked to see the Browns boast the Lombardi at the end of this season as long as Manziel is competent. They've got a good line, ace defense, and now a QB. If they add a WR2 and Tate stays healthy they could be the surprise team of the year... and the rueing will be deadly if Manziel wins a Super Bowl year one.

While I think JFB will be a good player down the road, you are forgetting that Hoyer was no slouch and can play. If they are going anywhere it's because he will be playing good ball and he's still young. If Romo was 27 I would be saying the same thing. If JFB was here he wouldn't be ready for a year or 2 and it would've worked out as I don't see Romo playing 2 more years physically.

 

[erod]

Interesting about what you said "maybe even brent." He is out of jail in June I think, but even if re un-retired he would probably be suspended for a year, no?

He already missed a year and a half. I think that would be taken into account.

 

[cwbyfn1957]

Confession.

I've said some pretty dadgum ugly things on this board, and others, about Jerry Jones. Just like many of you, I know, but I'd bet few have been as specifically harsh as me. Biting digs, personal shots, fueled by disgust and anger and hopelessness. Damn near over the line a few times, I admit. Certainly beyond a point my mama would be OK with, for sure.

And so on a morning like this, I owe him the courtesy of an attaboy, and with the same intensity.

There I sat, feeling like my 40 years of fandom were hanging in the balance. Jerry found himself on the Mount of Temptation, with the football antichrist dangling the shiniest lure in the kingdom right in front of his nose. #2 jerseys could not have been printed fast enough. The lights would have been brighter than ever.

But Jerry spurred that deal with the devil and kept his faith in Will McClay. Manziel is another player for another team in another predicament altogether. Not here, where line-of-scrimmage sins are diminishing, but still remain, after years of drafting blasphemy.

Lo, our ugliest roster transgression of two years ago has been converted into the strength of this team. A decent running team from a year ago can be even better. Our battered and abused QB can now stand in with more confidence, and perhaps be required to throw less. The best defenses will not dictate to Dallas anymore.

Smith-Leary-Frederick-Martin-Free. Youth, strength, size, smarts, ability. It worked in the 90s to perfection, and I can't wait to see if this group can resurrect that bruising style yet again. Nothing is worse than offense with no offensive line, as we can all rightly attest.

This was important for Romo, as well as our next QB. Murray probably can't wipe the smile off his face, and Randle, Dunbar, and backs not yet here will have better careers for it. Dez will be better, as will all the receivers.

Even the defense will benefit greatly. Third-down conversions rest weary defensive legs.

Football-wise, the pundit criticisms are way off. Dallas HAS added six, possibly seven, defensive linemen to the team already, PLUS they'll add more tonight. Melton, Mincey, McClain, Spencer, Crawford, Bass, maybe Brent, plus tonight's newbies. None of them played here last year.

A lot of folks are enraged that Manziel wasn't picked. Good, and I wish to heck they'd leave our fan base altogether because they account for that embarrassing know-nothing band of Cowboy fans we have to tolerate. They make the rest of us look bad. We'll have another QB in a 3-4 years no matter what, and I wouldn't be surprised if Manziel is out of the league altogether by then. He might be good, but I just don't see it. I see a pizza delivery boy who's going to get crushed at this level. Certainly not worth the risk here, although Cleveland makes sense.

And adding him here would have caused unmitigated chaos - including a city-wide QB controversy the first pick Romo threw - and wouldn't have addressed a single roster need on this team. The national media would have dogpiled Jerry and Manziel mercilessly just for fun, even moreso than they do Romo, who actually is top tier. Manziel will be treated with kid gloves in Cleveland, but not here he wouldn't.

Apparently, Will McClay agrees, and God bless that man. I don't know how he cracked the code with Jerry, but he's earned his confidence and the right to counsel. Addictions die hard, and I suspect Jerry didn't sleep well last night, tossing and twitching without that Manziel fix he had in his hand.

It feels so cleansing to know that there actually is a plan, and they followed it. No doubt they wanted Donald or Barr, but it fell the way it did, and they stayed true. It will pay dividends long from now.

So I applaud Jerry, the football man. I respect the will power that took. I genuinely do. He's being praised nationally, and deservedly so.

Jerry is my GM today. Well done.

I agree with all of this. I knew last night it was the right pick, but was still angry he didn't take Manziel. A pick like that only comes once in a blue moon, you have to take him, was my line of thought. But i woke up this morning believing it was the right move and i, also, applaud the War Room for making the right choice.

 

[erod]

While I think JFB will be a good player down the road, you are forgetting that Hoyer was no slouch and can play. If they are going anywhere it's because he will be playing good ball and he's still young. If Romo was 27 I would be saying the same thing. If JFB was here he wouldn't be ready for a year or 2 and it would've worked out as I don't see Romo playing 2 more years physically.

If Manziel was an NFL quarterback, Houston would have pounced on him. They NEED a quarterback in the worst way. He's from there. He would have sold jerseys and tickets all day long. He would have put the Cowboys on the backburner, while Houston grabbed all the headlines.

A great quarterback made sense for Houston more than anyone. And they said no.

Truth be told, there may not be a good quarterback in this draft. Most don't pan out. Look at Tannehill, Locker, Ponder, RG3, Clausen, Weeden, Geno, Manuel, J Russell, Gabbert, Freeman, and even Dalton is fading. Busts abound, it appears.

It'll all play out, but first rounders are valuable and can't be missed on.

 

[Crown Royal]

He already missed a year and a half. I think that would be taken into account.

Very interesting twist.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Confession.

I've said some pretty dadgum ugly things on this board, and others, about Jerry Jones. Just like many of you, I know, but I'd bet few have been as specifically harsh as me. Biting digs, personal shots, fueled by disgust and anger and hopelessness. Damn near over the line a few times, I admit. Certainly beyond a point my mama would be OK with, for sure.

And so on a morning like this, I owe him the courtesy of an attaboy, and with the same intensity.

There I sat, feeling like my 40 years of fandom were hanging in the balance. Jerry found himself on the Mount of Temptation, with the football antichrist dangling the shiniest lure in the kingdom right in front of his nose. #2 jerseys could not have been printed fast enough. The lights would have been brighter than ever.

But Jerry spurred that deal with the devil and kept his faith in Will McClay. Manziel is another player for another team in another predicament altogether. Not here, where line-of-scrimmage sins are diminishing, but still remain, after years of drafting blasphemy.

Lo, our ugliest roster transgression of two years ago has been converted into the strength of this team. A decent running team from a year ago can be even better. Our battered and abused QB can now stand in with more confidence, and perhaps be required to throw less. The best defenses will not dictate to Dallas anymore.

Smith-Leary-Frederick-Martin-Free. Youth, strength, size, smarts, ability. It worked in the 90s to perfection, and I can't wait to see if this group can resurrect that bruising style yet again. Nothing is worse than offense with no offensive line, as we can all rightly attest.

This was important for Romo, as well as our next QB. Murray probably can't wipe the smile off his face, and Randle, Dunbar, and backs not yet here will have better careers for it. Dez will be better, as will all the receivers.

Even the defense will benefit greatly. Third-down conversions rest weary defensive legs.

Football-wise, the pundit criticisms are way off. Dallas HAS added six, possibly seven, defensive linemen to the team already, PLUS they'll add more tonight. Melton, Mincey, McClain, Spencer, Crawford, Bass, maybe Brent, plus tonight's newbies. None of them played here last year.

A lot of folks are enraged that Manziel wasn't picked. Good, and I wish to heck they'd leave our fan base altogether because they account for that embarrassing know-nothing band of Cowboy fans we have to tolerate. They make the rest of us look bad. We'll have another QB in a 3-4 years no matter what, and I wouldn't be surprised if Manziel is out of the league altogether by then. He might be good, but I just don't see it. I see a pizza delivery boy who's going to get crushed at this level. Certainly not worth the risk here, although Cleveland makes sense.

And adding him here would have caused unmitigated chaos - including a city-wide QB controversy the first pick Romo threw - and wouldn't have addressed a single roster need on this team. The national media would have dogpiled Jerry and Manziel mercilessly just for fun, even moreso than they do Romo, who actually is top tier. Manziel will be treated with kid gloves in Cleveland, but not here he wouldn't.

Apparently, Will McClay agrees, and God bless that man. I don't know how he cracked the code with Jerry, but he's earned his confidence and the right to counsel. Addictions die hard, and I suspect Jerry didn't sleep well last night, tossing and twitching without that Manziel fix he had in his hand.

It feels so cleansing to know that there actually is a plan, and they followed it. No doubt they wanted Donald or Barr, but it fell the way it did, and they stayed true. It will pay dividends long from now.

So I applaud Jerry, the football man. I respect the will power that took. I genuinely do. He's being praised nationally, and deservedly so.

Jerry is my GM today. Well done.

Wow that was amazing just beautiful. I got a tear in my eye because this team had done the right things this off season

 

[CowboyStar88]

If Manziel was an NFL quarterback, Houston would have pounced on him. They NEED a quarterback in the worst way. He's from there. He would have sold jerseys and tickets all day long. He would have put the Cowboys on the backburner, while Houston grabbed all the headlines.

A great quarterback made sense for Houston more than anyone. And they said no.

Truth be told, there may not be a good quarterback in this draft. Most don't pan out. Look at Tannehill, Locker, Ponder, RG3, Clausen, Weeden, Geno, Manuel, J Russell, Gabbert, Freeman, and even Dalton is fading. Busts abound.

It'll all play out, but first rounders are valuable and can't be missed on.

The theme was about Clowney has been for the last year. I personally think they do like Case as a player and a prospect. That could be a possible reason why they didn't take him or take Bridgewater. I think them not taking a QB maybe an endorsement in that.

Now some of those QBs you mention are young in their careers. I think there are some good young QBs in those that you listed that are far from Busts, but I don't feel like going over each one. Yes you are right lots of QBs bust in the first round that happens. The draft is a 50/50 chance kinda thing, You can either play or you can't. That shouldn't stop you from taking a potential franchise QB.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

I think 80 percent is actually low. Look, the kid was amazing in college. He's got a gift about him. And certainly, if anyone at that size can do it, it's him.

But RG3 is already crippled. Kaepernick is struggling. Russell Wilson is somewhat of a bus driver on a great team. It never happened for Vick. And he spent most of his college career chucking it up in the air for Evans and Swope, and they came down with it. That won't work up here.

Manziel has the benefit of a decent roster to work with, and I expect a short span of reasonable success. But then, BAM!, there goes some ribs, a knee, a few concussions, and his general spirit. It already happened to RG3; he's a shadow of his college self now. These aren't college kids bringing the heat in the NFL, and soon, he won't be a 20-year-old invincible either.

He wasn't worth the 16th pick, period. 47th? OK, let's do it. But not early. Way too much baggage and uncertainty, and too short of a career ahead.

You keep going back to the RG3 thing and I don't understand why. The guy has two years in the league. Let's get him a year removed from the knee injury before we start carving his tombstone.

Russell Wilson a bus driver. I can't even wrap my head around that. Look at the numbers, watch the guy play. He's been the best QB out of that draft (better than Luck) and he's got almost no weapons around him in the passing game. When they get some legit passing targets he's going to be an absolute nightmare for defenses. And I think Manziel is better than Wilson in every facet of the game.