Belichick vs Barry Switzer

[dbair1967]

Kinda lost in last weekend, anyone notice Bill Belichick went for it on 4th and 1 from his own 24 or 25 yd line?

Buck and Aikman were doing this game, I dont remember Aikman saying a single word about Belichick doing this. He of course should have good memory of what Switzer chose to do in 1995 vs Philly, when we went for it not once but twice on 4th and less than a yd, and couldnt get it. Of course that decision was absolutely crucified by everyone at the time, even tough it WAS the right decision IMO because of the circumstances (momentum, severe wind conditions that day, and we'd have been punting into it)

I dont recall a single negative word spoke about Belichick's deciding to do it last week.

 

[Derinyar]

Kinda lost in last weekend, anyone notice Bill Belichick went for it on 4th and 1 from his own 24 or 25 yd line?

Buck and Aikman were doing this game, I dont remember Aikman saying a single word about Belichick doing this. He of course should have good memory of what Switzer chose to do in 1995 vs Philly, when we went for it not once but twice on 4th and less than a yd, and couldnt get it. Of course that decision was absolutely crucified by everyone at the time, even tough it WAS the right decision IMO because of the circumstances (momentum, severe wind conditions that day, and we'd have been punting into it)

I dont recall a single negative word spoke about Belichick's deciding to do it last week.

But don't you realize Belichick is a genius while Switzer is a boob? :laugh1:

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Didn't the Patriots run a QB sneak?

In the my opinion, the major source of controversy in 1995 was Switzer's decision to run the same play twice in a row after getting a reprieve from the two minute warning.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

 

[CATCH17]

I really didn't want any thoughts of Barry Switzer on this beautiful Sunday morning.








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[Bluefin]

The Patriots went for it on two separate fourth downs on one drive against the Falcons last week. The first time it was deep in their own territory and the second was arond the 35 of the Falcons.

It reeked of insanity and desperation, IMO.

 

[Dodger12]

Kinda lost in last weekend, anyone notice Bill Belichick went for it on 4th and 1 from his own 24 or 25 yd line?

Buck and Aikman were doing this game, I dont remember Aikman saying a single word about Belichick doing this. He of course should have good memory of what Switzer chose to do in 1995 vs Philly, when we went for it not once but twice on 4th and less than a yd, and couldnt get it. Of course that decision was absolutely crucified by everyone at the time, even tough it WAS the right decision IMO because of the circumstances (momentum, severe wind conditions that day, and we'd have been punting into it)

I dont recall a single negative word spoke about Belichick's deciding to do it last week.

It was the wrong decision by Switzer which was further magnified after we failed on the first attempt and got a reprieve. I thought Barry would come to his senses after that but then he goes for it again and we get stuffed. Talk about a change in momentum.

And if that decision was the correct one, then why haven't we seen it more often in that same situation? 99 out of 100 coaches (and I'm being generous) would punt in that same situation and it's no coincidence that we haven't seen that same gamble by other teams until 14 years later.

The Patriots were ahead 16 to 10 and it was 4th and inches with 5:30 left on the clock. Even if they fail and Atlanta scores a TD, the Patriots would still have time on the clock and need just a FG to win it. Different situations.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I really didn't want any thoughts of Barry Switzer on this beautiful Sunday morning.








Mods please delete post.

Like thoughts of Belicheat are any better.




YAKUZA

 

[dbair1967]

It was the wrong decision by Switzer which was further magnified after we failed on the first attempt and got a reprieve. I thought Barry would come to his senses after that but then he goes for it again and we get stuffed. Talk about a change in momentum.

And if that decision was the correct one, then why haven't we seen it more often in that same situation? 99 out of 100 coaches (and I'm being generous) would punt in that same situation and it's no coincidence that we haven't seen that same gamble by other teams until 14 years later.

The Patriots were ahead 16 to 10 and it was 4th and inches with 5:30 left on the clock. Even if they fail and Atlanta scores a TD, the Patriots would still have time on the clock and need just a FG to win it. Different situations.

I guess we totally disagree then.

We had the best OL in football and the best RB in football. They had the offensive momentum and there was a major wind in our face. We didnt even need a yard.

As for your logic on the Pats, ok. It's just rationalizing something IMO because people perceive Belichick as a "genius" and no matter what Switzer did, he was a "boob" (and no, I am not saying Switzer was a good coach or anywhere near what Belichick is)

Also, we have no idea if thats the first time in 14 yrs anybody else has decided to do this.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

I guess we totally disagree then.

We had the best OL in football and the best RB in football. They had the offensive momentum and there was a major wind in our face. We didnt even need a yard.

As for your logic on the Pats, ok. It's just rationalizing something IMO because people perceive Belichick as a "genius" and no matter what Switzer did, he was a "boob" (and no, I am not saying Switzer was a good coach or anywhere near what Belichick is)

Also, we have no idea if thats the first time in 14 yrs anybody else has decided to do this.

i agree with you, man.. always thought Switzer caught way too much flak for that call.. and always thought that Switzer has taken way too much heat for his time in Dallas.. i tihnk he did a fine job while he was with us..

 

[casmith07]

haha CatDog.

 

[Dodger12]

I guess we totally disagree then.

We had the best OL in football and the best RB in football. They had the offensive momentum and there was a major wind in our face. We didnt even need a yard.

As for your logic on the Pats, ok. It's just rationalizing something IMO because people perceive Belichick as a "genius" and no matter what Switzer did, he was a "boob" (and no, I am not saying Switzer was a good coach or anywhere near what Belichick is)

Also, we have no idea if thats the first time in 14 yrs anybody else has decided to do this.

I just see a huge difference going for it in a game that's tied 17 to 17, in the 4th quarter, in Philly, with two minutes left to play. If you fail, then the Eagles have a relatively chip shot FG and you've got little time to take the ball down the field to tie it. I think that's a huge difference as opposed to a game you're winning by 6 with 5 and a half minutes to play. Chances are, you will get the ball back in that scenario with plenty of time for a potential game winning FG.

And you're right, I'm not sure if there were other coaches who went for it under similar circumstances but I'm willing to bet that solid coaching logic says you punt the ball in your territory with 2 minutes left of a tie game.

 

[xWraithx]

what was the score/time situation in our Philly game in 95 at the time of the 4th and 1? (i've forgotten)

edit: answered above

 

[dbair1967]

I just see a huge difference going for it in a game that's tied 17 to 17, in the 4th quarter, in Philly, with two minutes left to play. If you fail, then the Eagles have a relatively chip shot FG and you've got little time to take the ball down the field to tie it.
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The part you are forgetting is the wind. There was a good 25-30 mph wind blowing at us that day. From where we would have punted from, they'd have been almost in FG range anyway.

 

[Cochese]

lol at comparing Belichick with the clown.

 

[jlust22]

Aikman was asked about Belichick's decision this week on his radio show on the Ticket and comparing that to what Switzer did in Philly. He said he never had a problem with Barry's decision and thought it was the right call. He said they were going into an extreme wind and that they wouldn't have gotten off a very good punt. He thought it was likely that Philly would have gotten great field position and gone on to win the game. He thought going for it on 4th was the only way the Cowboys could have went on to win the game.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

Aikman was asked about Belichick's decision this week on his radio show on the Ticket and comparing that to what Switzer did in Philly. He said he never had a problem with Barry's decision and thought it was the right call. He said they were going into an extreme wind and that they wouldn't have gotten off a very good punt. He thought it was likely that Philly would have gotten great field position and gone on to win the game. He thought going for it on 4th was the only way the Cowboys could have went on to win the game.

i wish he would've spoken up at the time.. Aikman was always very vocal about cutting Switzer down when he disagreed with him, it would have been nice if he would have stuck up for him when he did agree.. especially in this instance, since Switzer got so much heat for that call..

 

[Dodger12]

The part you are forgetting is the wind. There was a good 25-30 mph wind blowing at us that day. From where we would have punted from, they'd have been almost in FG range anyway.

As you said earlier db, we can agree to disagree. The bottom line that I know you'll agree with is that we won the SB that year. Many people have said that play and intense media scrutiny that followed brought that team together that year. Barry even made an impassioned "bootlegger's boy" speach in the locker room after the game. I never thought Barry was the right coach for the Cowboys but I wish I was in the locker room for that one.

 

[jimmy40]

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