Bench Doug Free Now!

[Frozen700]

Bench him for what? If he's helping us lose, and for garret to get fired, please start. Please

 

[SacramentoKing]

Let it go, it's not happening. Collins is a guard.

Probably, but anything is possible with Steve Buscemi in the line up.

 

[movaughn88]

why can't you have 5 pro bowlers? 4 are first round talents.

Free doesn't have to suck because of some quota, he is allowed to be good. he actually was once, along time ago when he signed a 4/32m contract and then he forget how to play.

Well of course you can have 5 pro bowlers, but it's about a use of resources. If you have 5 pro bowlers on your OL, you've either gotten really lucky or are throwing a lot of money/draft picks at OL. I think we've allocated enough (and been very fortunate in the draft), especially since some of the young guys are about to command massive raises in the next few years.

Free is getting paid 3/5/6m the next few years, which is relative value for a decent player. Would you rather spend big this off-season on a RT in FA or top draft pick or spend that instead on defense? I'd rather on defense considering the value he's currently providing.

 

[Nightman]

Well of course you can have 5 pro bowlers, but it's about a use of resources. If you have 5 pro bowlers on your OL, you've either gotten really lucky or are throwing a lot of money/draft picks at OL. I think we've allocated enough (and been very fortunate in the draft), especially since some of the young guys are about to command massive raises in the next few years.

Free is getting paid 3/5/6m the next few years, which is relative value for a decent player. Would you rather spend big this off-season on a RT in FA or top draft pick or spend that instead on defense? I'd rather on defense considering the value he's currently providing.

Free has had the highest cap charge for our OL for years. He isn't cheap by any means.

I just want someone better than Free.

Green, Collins, Draft pick, UDFA or FA

 

[movaughn88]

Free has had the highest cap charge for our OL for years. He isn't cheap by any means.

I just want someone better than Free.

Green, Collins, Draft pick, UDFA or FA

Erm, he has a high cap charge only because he's not on a rookie contract like our other starters. He's the 14th highest paid RT in the league, and by any rating metric you can find he's performing better than that. So if you want someone better, the team will have to spend multiples more in FA, or draft one very high. If you draft one high, then you lose the opportunity cost of having that low cost high pick at another position of greater need. It's not as simple as saying "I want someone better." There has to be a practical path to get there. Maybe it's Green, but certainly not as a rookie coming off injury mid season in must win games.

 

[Kaiser]

He's the 14th highest paid RT in the league, and by any rating metric you can find he's performing better than that.

That's misleading. Free's contract is structured so he get 6MM this year if he is cut after this season (4.5 in signing bonus and 1.5 in salary). If he is around next season, his cap hit will be 5.5MM (4MM salary and 1.5M of the signing bonus) and another 1.5MM in dead money if he is cut after that year.

6MM per season is in line with the top RTs in the game and Free isn't anywhere close to that.

 

[JakeCamp12]

Free is having issues moving, so that tells me his foot or ankle or both are not right. He also doesn't seem to be able to bend anymore, so he appears to be really stiff and defensive ends are just running around him. The goal line play was embarrassing as both Free and Witten looked like they gave zero effort on the play.

 

[Nightman]

That's misleading. Free's contract is structured so he get 6MM this year if he is cut after this season (4.5 in signing bonus and 1.5 in salary). If he is around next season, his cap hit will be 5.5MM (4MM salary and 1.5M of the signing bonus) and another 1.5MM in dead money if he is cut after that year.

6MM per season is in line with the top RTs in the game and Free isn't anywhere close to that.

Exactly and he also has a 4m dead money charge from his last contract that counts this year.

So his total cap charge this year is 7m and he still has 3m in dead money left.

He is being paid like a pro bowler at RT

 

[deanr]

I'd rather they move Martin to tackle in this scenario

By the way Martin is n

I'd rather they move Martin to tackle in this scenario

Haha if Martin is Steve Buscemi funny but I would move Martin and have Leary or Collins at right guard play the best five

 

[NEODOG]

All those slamming on Chaz, need go watch some 22 film on him. He's way better than you give credit

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Truth is T Smith has been pretty bad himself this year . The only guy having a good season is Travis Frederick .

 

[movaughn88]

That's misleading. Free's contract is structured so he get 6MM this year if he is cut after this season (4.5 in signing bonus and 1.5 in salary). If he is around next season, his cap hit will be 5.5MM (4MM salary and 1.5M of the signing bonus) and another 1.5MM in dead money if he is cut after that year.

6MM per season is in line with the top RTs in the game and Free isn't anywhere close to that.

I was just quoting if the team will keep him. If you want to cut him it's different, no? Look man, I'm in no way against getting better at the RT, but it's gonna cost a ton. We can keep him going at a huge marginal value. That's all I meant. My point is relative value. I'll keep Free at his current (not cut) value if we can spend a high pick on D.

 

[movaughn88]

Exactly and he also has a 4m dead money charge from his last contract that counts this year.

So his total cap charge this year is 7m and he still has 3m in dead money left.

He is being paid like a pro bowler at RT

Dead money is sunk cost. Guys, I'm with you, I'd rather have a better RT, but would you rather spend a percentage of our cap on a RT or defenese? I say defense. No probs if you differ.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Chaz Green did NOT look good in pre-season. He looked REALLY bad.

how did this completely incorrect statement get two likes?

 

[Kaiser]

I was just quoting if the team will keep him. If you want to cut him it's different, no? Look man, I'm in no way against getting better at the RT, but it's gonna cost a ton. We can keep him going at a huge marginal value. That's all I meant. My point is relative value. I'll keep Free at his current (not cut) value if we can spend a high pick on D.

Yes and no. I agree with you in general but my point on Free is that his salary is more than his production. And the way his contract is structured (and with his age and health) the situation is unlikely to get better.

Those contracts are made for the signing bonus to be spread out over multiple years, Free will be cut at some point and more dead money will hit the cap. Free's contract had a signing bonus of 4.5MM but only his first year salary of 1.5MM was guaranteed. If he is cut this offseason, his current deal will work out to a 1 year deal for 6 Million.

He has salaries of 4MM and 5MM over the next two years so if he plays next season his contract works out to 2 years at 10MM. If he plays the whole 3 years it will be 15MM over 3 years.

 

[Kaiser]

Dead money is sunk cost. Guys, I'm with you, I'd rather have a better RT, but would you rather spend a percentage of our cap on a RT or defenese? I say defense. No probs if you differ.

I want to spend it on Defense, I think they resign Hardy and sign a Safety in FA. At that point I would use the #1 pick on a CB or LB, maybe a WR. I can also see trading down and taking a RB in the first.

But at RT my first choice would be putting Leary back on LG and Collins at RT. I wouldn't rule out Chaz Green starting at RT next season either.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think you got a glimpse why nothing has been done.....Charles Brown ended up getting a penalty tonight....and he plays what???? 3 snaps? I just don't think they have anyone better....or a move would have been made by now. I'd like to see what Chaz Green has...but from everything I've read he's a real finesss player.....that might be best suited to backup T. Smith. Cowboys really need to find a replacement though. He's such a drive killing machine. Chaulk up 4 more drives tonight w/ his QB pressures....

Brown has played on kicks all year and that might have been his first penalty. Finesse blockers are great on teams.

I agree give Green a shot.

 

[superonyx]

I would like to see one series where he doesn't do something to set the team back. Just one series.If he's not giving up a sack....It's a QB pressure...that leads to an incompletion. If he isn't called for holding...then it's because he false started. The guy is a never ending drive killer. It's no coincidence the Cowboys went on their winning streak last year when he was put on IR.

Doug Free has been called for 9 penalties this year. Tyron Smith has been called for 7. Smith has been called for holding 4 times to Free's 1 holding call.

Obviously Smith is a better player but let's not create crap to justify your hatred towards cowboyszone's whipping boy Doug Free.

 

[superonyx]

I think Chaz will have to beat out Free in the preseason to become the starter, even in meaningless games, and I'll be surprised if it happens. If he proves worthy of playing time, though, Dallas could rotate him in some like they did with Parnell.

I hope Chaz becomes another Tyron Smith but as of today he doesn't exist.

It's awful how fans can be calling for Chaz to start over a guy playing solid when Chaz has never played and was drafted as a swing tackle.

 

[Nightman]

Doug Free has been called for 9 penalties this year. Tyron Smith has been called for 7. Smith has been called for holding 4 times to Free's 1 holding call.

Obviously Smith is a better player but let's not create crap to justify your hatred towards cowboyszone's whipping boy Doug Free.

TSmith also goes against the better DEs. Tyron has been a little off this year but Free is not in his ballpark.