Ben's TD was a TD

[LittleBoyBlue]

It looked like he crossed the Goal Line when in the air before he came down.

I am not positive but it looked like it to me.

Any conclusive evidence?

 

[Chevyman08]

Wrong. He never broke the plane.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Wrong. He never broke the plane.

 

[BigWillie]

For you to say that you could WITHOUT A DOUBT see that ball was not in is showing a bias.

As a Cowboys fan, I can understand it when it comes to the Steelers. But as a football fan, for anyone to pass that off as a fact is reaching at best.

That ball was a matter of inches from being either over or not, it could've gone either way. But no one can conclusively say it either way. If the original spot had been just outside the goal line, the call would've stood there as well. Why? Because their was no conclusive evidence to overturn the call.

Besides, the angle that showed the play the best wasn't exactly at the best angle which would've been directly down the line.

 

[THUMPER]

If it did cross the plane then it was by less than half an inch. It was so close that I knew it wouldn't be overturned because I couldn't tell if it was over or not.

I will just say that if it had been the Seahawks then it would not have been called a TD in the first place.

 

[Rack]

That was the only critical desicion the refs made that I didn't have a problem with. No way was there enough evidence to overturn that call. Period.


Now, the other 15 calls/non calls the refs screwed up on (more like screwed the Seahawks on), I do have a problem with.

 

[mbanx]

That was the only critical desicion the refs made that I didn't have a problem with. No way was there enough evidence to overturn that call. Period.


Now, the other 15 calls/non calls the refs screwed up on (more like screwed the Seahawks on), I do have a problem with.

What is really odd is that the ref was signaling to spot the ball and that was after Roths hit the ground. But he sticks the ball across after he was down and the ref changes his mind to TD. He basically changed his mind after the play was over, I dont like to bi*** about the refs but if you make a call stick w/ right or wrong. I would say if he stuck with his original call it is challenged by Pitt and they say he never got in.

 

[Little Jr]

For you to say that you could WITHOUT A DOUBT see that ball was not in is showing a bias.

As a Cowboys fan, I can understand it when it comes to the Steelers. But as a football fan, for anyone to pass that off as a fact is reaching at best.

That ball was a matter of inches from being either over or not, it could've gone either way. But no one can conclusively say it either way. If the original spot had been just outside the goal line, the call would've stood there as well. Why? Because their was no conclusive evidence to overturn the call.

Besides, the angle that showed the play the best wasn't exactly at the best angle which would've been directly down the line.

Without a doubt he did not cross the goal line. It's not bias.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I thought it was interesting on the replay. I watched the Line Judge who made the call and he made no call at all until after Roth, pushed the ball over. I don't know if he got in or not but I did think it was interesting that no call was made until that point. Personally, I think the onis is on the offense to demonstrate they have pushed the ball over. To me, that didn't happen but in the end, it doesn't matter. It's done and gone.

Also thought the holding call was complete BS but there again, it's over.

 

[noshame]

The line judge called the play dead, then when he saw the ball in the endzone he lost his nerve. Too bad, he was the one with the birds eye view, and thought it was down.

 

[VirusX]

It looked like he crossed the Goal Line when in the air before he came down.

I am not positive but it looked like it to me.

Any conclusive evidence?

You also have to remember the camera angle shooting that replay is not down the goal line it is further back in the end zone not much but enough to adjust the view of the ball over the plane.

I personally think it was very very close. If the ref called it a TD and it is not overturned then its a TD. The ref who hesitated probably thought it might have been a fumble and waited to see the ball again I dont know.

I thought some calls were iffy but people ***** about it wether they are strict or laid back. Refs cant win, there is no middle ground. Here lies the problem created by adding penalties for everything and not just playing the game..

Cant wait to see what Tag f***s up next.

 

[Ashwynn]

Who cares, go to the seachicken board and argue this. This is a Cowboy board and the boys did not play yesterday.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You also have to remember the camera angle shooting that replay is not down the goal line it is further back in the end zone not much but enough to adjust the view of the ball over the plane.

I personally think it was very very close. If the ref called it a TD and it is not overturned then its a TD. The ref who hesitated probably thought it might have been a fumble and waited to see the ball again I dont know.

I thought some calls were iffy but people ***** about it wether they are strict or laid back. Refs cant win, there is no middle ground. Here lies the problem created by adding penalties for everything and not just playing the game..

Cant wait to see what Tag f***s up next.

I will tell you that if it wasn't a TD initially, then it wasn't a TD at all. I believe he did lose control of the football and if this was the case, then it was never a TD. If the official is basing the call on possesion, then he clearly did not have it when he pushed the ball over the goal. Basically, he reached back and grabbed it.

 

[JackMagist]

That was the only critical desicion the refs made that I didn't have a problem with. No way was there enough evidence to overturn that call. Period.


Now, the other 15 calls/non calls the refs screwed up on (more like screwed the Seahawks on), I do have a problem with.

It seemed to me that Every time the Seahawks got something going or got near the goal line that the refs called something on them to push them back and they were some Very questionable calls. I truely hate to think that the game was rigged but there is just no other conclusion that I can draw after seeing the Seahawks screwed time and again by questionable calls at critical times.

As for the TD...it was close enough that it could not be overturned. It is the one call of the game that I will not complain about.

 

[notherbob]

It seemed to me that Every time the Seahawks got something going or got near the goal line that the refs called something on them to push them back and they were some Very questionable calls. I truely hate to think that the game was rigged but there is just no other conclusion that I can draw after seeing the Seahawks screwed time and again by questionable calls at critical times.

As for the TD...it was close enough that it could not be overturned. It is the one call of the game that I will not complain about.

Reminds me of the old time Cowboys games in the 60s and 70s that Norm Shacter ferred - the calls were always against the Boys and he took game after game away from them.

 

[Mojorisen]

Without a doubt he did not cross the goal line. It's not bias.

I agree. while a foot or so in the air (although it was hard to see the end on the ball as it was covered by Ben's right hand, his hand had clearly crossed the edge of the goaline), then the defender knocked him back a few inches, before he hit ground.

This is not in the rule, but it seems like the "tie goes to the runner"

 

[JakeCamp12]

It still looked to me that Ben's elbow made it over the goal line, but the tip of the ball didn't. Because of the way he had the ball cradled in his arm, it looks like the tip of the ball never breaks the plane. I also believe that is what the goal line ref saw and his first instinct was to spot it at the inch line. I think overall the officiating was really bad, and if I were a Seahawk fan, I would be pissed about the tic tac holding calls that stopped a few of their drives.

 

[Doomsday101]

It still looked to me that Ben's elbow made it over the goal line, but the tip of the ball didn't. Because of the way he had the ball cradled in his arm, it looks like the tip of the ball never breaks the plane. I also believe that is what the goal line ref saw and his first instinct was to spot it at the inch line. I think overall the officiating was really bad, and if I were a Seahawk fan, I would be pissed about the tic tac holding calls that stopped a few of their drives.

I guess I would be more PO'ed that my TE could not catch a cold, my defense allowed a 75 yard TD run and my QB threw a poor pass late in the game that got picked that killed Sea chance to take the lead. As for the refs I think they may have missed some calls including Stevens catch and fumbled that was rules incomplete.

 

[gbrittain]

It looked like he crossed the Goal Line when in the air before he came down.

I am not positive but it looked like it to me.

Any conclusive evidence?

Lot of Steeler hating going on. I hate them too, but I am trying to be objective. I have no problem with the instant replay on this call.

The call was a touchdown and the replay did not conclusively refute that. The only argument that can be made is that it should not have been called a TD to begin with.

People forget that instant replay has to be 100% clear that the official was wrong. I will admit based on the replay that it looked like Ben R did not make it in, but I would not say that Instant Replay demonstrated that fact conclusively.

 

[VirusX]

I will tell you that if it wasn't a TD initially, then it wasn't a TD at all. I believe he did lose control of the football and if this was the case, then it was never a TD. If the official is basing the call on possesion, then he clearly did not have it when he pushed the ball over the goal. Basically, he reached back and grabbed it.

I agree, whatever the first call was from that angle it will stand. No visual evidence to say otherwise. Sliped one by or not the review was called correctly.