Best of the best: NFL's top 25 players for '09

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lqmac1;2802623 said:
Barber should def be in that mix, best RB in the game, AP = OVERATED. Sorry you can have the rushing tittle every year i would want a rb who can score td and that AP can not do to well and he fumbles like no other. And you mean to tell me steven jackson is the 2nd best in the running biz :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

The one person out of 5 million that would take Marion Barber over Adrian Peterson has been located! There was rumor of such a person and he has come forth! :bow: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Hard to imagine how incredible our offense would be with AP in the backfield...it would be crazy sick. AP actually not having to face 8-9 man fronts for once...he'd score 20 TDs....or close.
 

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DFWJC;2802636 said:
The one person out of 5 million that would take Marion Barber over Adrian Peterson has been located! There was rumor of such a person and he has come forth! :bow: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Hard to imagine how incredible our offense would be with AP in the backfield...it would be crazy sick. AP actually not having to face 8-9 man fronts for once...he's score 20 TDs....or close.


I hate repeating but ADRIAN PETERSON IS NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT BETTER then MBIII. Put it this way 4th & goal 3 yard line your losing by 4 who would you give it to AP OR MBIII???
 

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lqmac1;2802661 said:
I hate repeating but ADRIAN PETERSON IS NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT BETTER then MBIII. Put it this way 4th & goal 3 yard line your losing by 4 who would you give it to AP OR MBIII???

So basically Barber is a better player because he's a more efficient short yardage back? That makes absolutely no sense.

That's like saying Daunte Culpepper throws a better deep ball, I'd rather have him than Tom Brady.
 

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lqmac1;2802661 said:
I hate repeating but ADRIAN PETERSON IS NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT BETTER then MBIII. Put it this way 4th & goal 3 yard line your losing by 4 who would you give it to AP OR MBIII???

Like I said...you are that 1 in 5 million that think that. Your short yardage, all or nothing argument is highly flawed, imho. But you are entitled to that opinion....go for it.

Spelling in caps (shouting it) does not make it any more true. :cool:

There are some that would say our MB3 is the 4th best back in our own division...I'm not so sure I'd go that far though.
 

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Alexander;2802666 said:
So basically Barber is a better player because he's a more efficient short yardage back? That makes absolutely no sense.

That's like saying Daunte Culpepper throws a better deep ball, I'd rather have him than Tom Brady.


I never said that, the only thing ap is better at is speed Barber is an all around better rb imo .
 

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While I agree that AD is probably ranked too high on this list.....no way, no how, does MBIII deserve to even be on it. He's very good, probably in the top 5-7 backs in the league when he is 100%, but he's not in AD's class...despite his fumbling problem.
 

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DFWJC;2802673 said:
Like I said...you are that 1 in 5 million that think that. Your short yardage, all or nothing argument is highly flawed, imho. But you are entitled to that opinion....go for it.

Spelling in caps (shouting it) does not make it any more true. :cool:

There are some that would say our MB3 is the 4th best back in our own division...I'm not so sure I'd go that far though.

so pretty much in your eyes

Moss > Rice

Manning > Brady
 

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Alexander;2802446 said:
Hutchinson is in his prime, but I agree about Jackson and especially Urlacher. Jackson simply keeps getting hurt. Urlacher wasn't even the best LBer on his team last year.

Ditto.

I would put Manning ahead of Brady only because Brady is coming off a knee injury. It generally takes two years to heal from such an injury. I don't think Brady will be as mobile, and I believe that will impact his game. As for Peyton's coaches leaving, Manning is at that stage now where he can coach himself. I think the departures will have little impact on his play.
 

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lqmac1;2802682 said:
so pretty much in your eyes

Moss > Rice

Manning > Brady

What's that have to do with Barber vs AP?
 

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lqmac1;2802678 said:
I never said that, the only thing ap is better at is speed Barber is an all around better rb imo .
As much as I appreciate MBIII, he isn't even close to AP.

Think about it, we had to draft a running back in the first round to compliment MBIII because of his flaws. AP doesn't need a compliment.
 

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Future;2802743 said:
As much as I appreciate MBIII, he isn't even close to AP.

Think about it, we had to draft a running back in the first round to compliment MBIII because of his flaws. AP doesn't need a compliment.


This is true but you got to understand that we had no other rb and we were kinda stacked at every position but rb, I mean we were 13-3 when we drafted felix. I think it was just a pick em position for Jerry and he only saw mbIII at rb so he went on with the first pick.

MBIII been in the league 4-5 years now I know he was a backup but it takes a toll on your body after a while. We'll see how AP is in a couple years from now.
 

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21. Brian Urlacher, MLB, Bears. Urlacher had a down year in '08, but with improved play up front, there's no reason he can't reassert himself as the do-it-all middle man in the Bears' cover 2 scheme.

Sorry, Brian Urlacher does NOT belonmg in this list.
 

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A motivated Moss should be much closer to top 10. The guy catches passes in double coverage with his shoulder for Christ's sake. = /
And - I would trade Barber AND Felix for Peterson and the only jersey I own is Barber's lol.
Peterson is Eric Dickerson II.
 

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l2obert;2802987 said:
A motivated Moss should be much closer to top 10. The guy catches passes in double coverage with his shoulder for Christ's sake. = /
And - I would trade Barber AND Felix for Peterson and the only jersey I own is Barber's lol.
Peterson is Eric Dickerson II.
but the reason why apeterson has some of those break out runs is becuase of the 2 back system like us Taylor/Barber just run and beat up the defense(not saying taylor is even close to as good as Barber) and then Peterson/F. Jones get huge runs
 

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dalboy;2803043 said:
but the reason why apeterson has some of those break out runs is becuase of the 2 back system like us Taylor/Barber just run and beat up the defense(not saying taylor is even close to as good as Barber) and then Peterson/F. Jones get huge runs
Peterson gets the long runs because he is one of the leagues fastest players at any position, he's exceptionally elusive and he has a motor that doesn't quit. In the 4th he is more dangerous than in the first. If he could pass block he would probably have 25+ carries per game.
And consider the Vikings have zero passing game.
 

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#1 Manning I think that's about right, when you talk top competitor in the NFL right now, no one even comes close to Manning I don't care who it is.
 

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10. Tony Romo, Cowboys. The Cowboys' plan to run more in '09 speaks to the strength of their running backs and the relative inexperience and lack of depth at wide receiver. It also raises a flag with regard to the coaches' confidence in Romo after an up-and-down '08 campaign. He will be on a short leash as Dallas looks to limit turnovers and costly errors.

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12. Flozell Adams, Cowboys. Adams is aging but still has tremendous size and strength. Though the Cowboys struggled in pass protection last year, there's reason to believe a healthy Tony Romo and improved balance on offense will spark a return to form for Flozell the Hotel.

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10. Leonard Davis, Cowboys. Like most of the Dallas lineman, Davis is huge (6-6, 355). He's a mauler as a run blocker who physically overpowers his opponents. He's fairly athletic and can do some good things as a move blocker, and he makes excellent use of his hands in pass protection.

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1 Jason Witten, Cowboys. Though his 81 receptions for 952 yards and four touchdowns in '08 were considered a bit of a down year, he still has 177 catches the past two seasons. He has missed just one game in six seasons and has a career 11.5 yards per catch average. The departure of Terrell Owens means Witten will be targeted even more in '09, and his blocking ability also will help the running game balance the offense.

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9. Andre Gurode, Cowboys. He made the Pro Bowl last year, but it was based more on reputation than production, like the Titans' Kevin Mawae. Gurode is a physical run blocker, not a finesse player. He'll need to be more productive in '09 than he was in '08 to get the Cowboys back to the playoffs. The measure of that will be the success of their running game between the tackles.

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11. Igor Olshansky, Cowboys. His move to Dallas reunites him with Wade Phillips, the defensive coordinator during Olshansky's first three years with the Chargers. He knows the 3-4 well, has great strength and has learned to use his hands well and play with leverage.

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15. Jay Ratliff, Cowboys. Ratliff had a breakout year in 2008, earning Pro Bowl honors for the first time. He was a disruptive pass rusher inside, and despite being relatively light (300 pounds), he has enough strength and lateral mobility to be an effective run-stopper. He's a player on the rise.

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1 DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys. The NFL leader in sacks last season, he made a serious run at Michael Strahan's season record of 22 1/2. Ware is a dominant pass rusher who exhibits remarkable speed and strength.

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12. Terence Newman, Cowboys. Newman is explosive and athletic and shows great speed and agility. He can be overaggressive in coverage at times but has been playing with more maturity and better technique recently

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11. Ken Hamlin, Cowboys. He has great range and can track down a lot of balls playing center field. He is at his best jumping routes in zone coverage but can also match up with tight ends and wideouts in the slot.
 
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