Beware Of Big 10 Backs 4/2/2008

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Beware Of Big 10 Backs

Posted Apr 2nd 2008 9:00AM by JJ Cooper
Filed under: NFL Draft, Big 10, SEC, Illinois Football, Illinois



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Illinois' Rashard Mendenhall may turn out to be an outstanding NFL running back, but if he does, he'll be bucking a lot of history.

Mendenhall is considered one of the top running backs in this year's draft, and he's pegged by some to be a mid to late first-rounder. But he'll have to overcome a somewhat accurate stigma that Big Ten backs are more trouble than they are worth.


Over the past 10 years, 10 Big Ten backs have been picked in the first two rounds. Four of them rank among some of the bigger draft busts of the past decade. First-rounders Curtis Enis, Ron Dayne, Chris Perry and T.J. Duckett and second-rounder Joe Montgomery never lived up to the hype and the hopes of the teams that drafted them. Of the other five, Larry Johnson has turned into an elite back, while Ladell Betts, Michael Bennett and Anthony Thomas have each had one 1,000-yard season in careers that have largely left them on the bench. Lawrence Maroney hasn't had a 1,000-yard season yet, but he has shown promise, so it's too early to put any kind of stamp on his career yet.

I picked 10 years as a simple round number. But if you go back further it doesn't get any better for the Big Ten. The conference does get to add Eddie George's greatness, but that gets washed away by busts like Tim Biakabatuka and Ki-Jana Carter. Going back even further gives you epic busts like Blair Thomas, Darrell Thompson and Vaughn Dunbar.

If you're looking for a theme, most of the Big 10 busts have been power backs who have pounded their way between the tackles to big college careers. Dayne, Duckett and Enis were all among the biggest backs in their draft. They all proved unable to hit the hole quick enough to be a consistent every-down back in the NFL. The argument that the Big Ten is a slow-man's league seems to gain some credence from their struggles. Mendehall isn't nearly as big as Dayne or Duckett, but his scouting report mentions questions about his lack of breakaway speed, which should be a concern considering the league's past history.If you're scoring at home, that's five 1,000-yard seasons from 10 first and second-round Big Ten picks. That's one elite player and five busts in 10 picks at one of the positions that's supposed to be easiest to draft. The ineptness of Big 10 backs stands out even more when you compare them to the rest of the first and second-round backs.

There have been 42 other tailbacks taken in the top two rounds over the past decade. Those 42 tailbacks have piled up 69 1,000-yard seasons, with 13 of the backs having two or more 1,000-yard seasons. For the sake of this study, we'll call any back who had two or more 1,000-yard seasons elite. It's a low-bar, but it's safe to say that a team that drafts an early-round back is probably relatively happy if they get a couple of 1,000-yard seasons out of them. That doesn't include Adrian Peterson, who has only one 1,000-yard season right now, no matter how gaudy that one season was.

The elite backs from the rest of the college ranks include most of the best backs around the NFL over the past several years. It includes LaDainian Tomlinson, Jamal Lewis, Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai, Fred Taylor, Clinton Portis, Deuce McAllister, Steven Jackson, Willis McGahee, Thomas Jones and Ricky Williams.

Now there have been some other busts, of course. But among those 42 other tailbacks, there are only seven who stand out as clear busts (Trung Candidate, J.J. Arrington, J.J. Johnson, Eric Shelton, William Green, Mike Cloud and John Avery). Beyond the fact that this proves you should never trust a guy named J.J., it also shows that the conventional wisdom is true--it's usually a pretty safe bet to draft a tailback early, as long as they don't come from the Big Ten.

If you're looking for a safer bet, check out backs from the Southeastern Conference. Over the past 10 years, 13 SEC backs have been drafted in the first two rounds. They have combined for 29 1,000-yard seasons. Eight of them have at least one 1,000-yard season and six have had two or more 1,000-yard seasons. Only two of them (Johnson and Avery) were busts. While Kevin Faulk sits somewhere in between. He has never had a 1,000-yard rushing season, but he has been a valuable third-down back. The jury is still out on 2007 second-round pick Kenny Irons.

That's good news for Darren McFadden and Felix Jones--a pair of SEC backs who could be first-round picks.

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So either we should be happy we didn't draft Mendenhall, or be worried about Barber. Which one?
 

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Interesting. Like most Cowboy fans, I was somewhat disappointed with the Cowboys taking Felix Jones over Mendenhall; thought Mendenhall a more complete back/if MBIII went down then Mendenhall could take over; wasn't sure Felix Jones could. But we'll have to see if Mendenhall is the player most think he will be; certainly there no guarantee.

OTOH, I seriously doubt Jerry Jones drafted Felix because of their Arkansas ties. No previous record of grabbing Arkansas players except the signing of Ken Hamlin/a FS/SS previously with Seattle. No, I gotta believe Garrett really wanted Felix over Mendenhall. Well wait & see what kind of career Felix has but I expect to see him used in myriad of ways in Garrett's offense to fully utilize his talents.
 

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That was the number one thing that made me nervous about Mendenhall.

Big 10 skill position players make me very nervous.
 

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jswalker1981;2064998 said:
So either we should be happy we didn't draft Mendenhall, or be worried about Barber. Which one?

Barber was not drafted in the the first two rounds, so he is outside of this non-scientific(but accurate) study. Of course he has not had a 1000 yard season, either.
 

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Danny White;2065008 said:
That was the number one thing that made me nervous about Mendenhall.

Big 10 skill position players make me very nervous.
exactly....I have been making this point since we passed on Mendenhall...when you watch the Big 10 run up against teams from the South in Bowl games...the difference in athleticism is glaring. When you see Felix run away from guys in the SEC...you know that means he can run away from guys in the NFL
 

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Great article.

Every player in an individual, of course. But look at Lawrence Maroney vs. Joseph Addai a couple of years ago. Maroney was considered a stud for a few years at Minnesota, while Addai seemed almost like a reach for the Colts. But there's no doubt who the better player is now.

Who knows, Mendenhall could be the next Larry Johnson... But I doubt it.
 

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I think Mendenhall is a fine back and I wish him the best. I see no need to knock him to justify getting Felix Jones. Dallas got the guy they wanted and Jones clearly has great talent of his own.
 

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Danny White;2065008 said:
That was the number one thing that made me nervous about Mendenhall.

Big 10 skill position players make me very nervous.

He probably went to the best possible scenario for him in the Steelers. Although that might be questionable since they decided to shuffle their oline this off season.

It certainly worked out for Larry Johnson in K.C. This year, however will tell us a lot about him, as their oline will be very suspect, coupled with losing arguably one of the best oline coaches in the league.

Mendinhall was simply not the right fit for our team if you look at what our offensive philosophy is gonna be this year. My biggest beef was if he was a titty baby about sharing carries in college, what kind of attitude was he gonna have with Barber?

The problem is people are gonna see him have success in Pitt. and say, see I told ya so, without putting it in context. This board is always divided about one player or another and this year it's gonna heat up for sure.

If Julius tears it up in Seattle and Rashard tears it up in Pitt.
It won't matter how much success Felix and Choice have. There will be a faction that will angrily sling daggers at the rest of us.

I was a proponent of Ray Rice and will curiously be watchin' to see how he does. I realize he wasn't the best fit for what the Cowboys wanted. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna throw daggers or regret my guy didn't get picked if he does well. Dang sure not gonna be an I told ya' so guy.

Some of us, as bad as this sounds, can thank our lucky stars, that Quincy and Henson did us a favor, in that nobody is throwin' daggers about those two.
 

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speedkilz88;2064972 said:
Beware Of Big 10 Backs

Posted Apr 2nd 2008 9:00AM by JJ Cooper
Filed under: NFL Draft, Big 10, SEC, Illinois Football, Illinois



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Illinois' Rashard Mendenhall may turn out to be an outstanding NFL running back, but if he does, he'll be bucking a lot of history.

Mendenhall is considered one of the top running backs in this year's draft, and he's pegged by some to be a mid to late first-rounder. But he'll have to overcome a somewhat accurate stigma that Big Ten backs are more trouble than they are worth.


Over the past 10 years, 10 Big Ten backs have been picked in the first two rounds. Four of them rank among some of the bigger draft busts of the past decade. First-rounders Curtis Enis, Ron Dayne, Chris Perry and T.J. Duckett and second-rounder Joe Montgomery never lived up to the hype and the hopes of the teams that drafted them. Of the other five, Larry Johnson has turned into an elite back, while Ladell Betts, Michael Bennett and Anthony Thomas have each had one 1,000-yard season in careers that have largely left them on the bench. Lawrence Maroney hasn't had a 1,000-yard season yet, but he has shown promise, so it's too early to put any kind of stamp on his career yet.

I picked 10 years as a simple round number. But if you go back further it doesn't get any better for the Big Ten. The conference does get to add Eddie George's greatness, but that gets washed away by busts like Tim Biakabatuka and Ki-Jana Carter. Going back even further gives you epic busts like Blair Thomas, Darrell Thompson and Vaughn Dunbar.

If you're looking for a theme, most of the Big 10 busts have been power backs who have pounded their way between the tackles to big college careers. Dayne, Duckett and Enis were all among the biggest backs in their draft. They all proved unable to hit the hole quick enough to be a consistent every-down back in the NFL. The argument that the Big Ten is a slow-man's league seems to gain some credence from their struggles. Mendehall isn't nearly as big as Dayne or Duckett, but his scouting report mentions questions about his lack of breakaway speed, which should be a concern considering the league's past history.If you're scoring at home, that's five 1,000-yard seasons from 10 first and second-round Big Ten picks. That's one elite player and five busts in 10 picks at one of the positions that's supposed to be easiest to draft. The ineptness of Big 10 backs stands out even more when you compare them to the rest of the first and second-round backs.

There have been 42 other tailbacks taken in the top two rounds over the past decade. Those 42 tailbacks have piled up 69 1,000-yard seasons, with 13 of the backs having two or more 1,000-yard seasons. For the sake of this study, we'll call any back who had two or more 1,000-yard seasons elite. It's a low-bar, but it's safe to say that a team that drafts an early-round back is probably relatively happy if they get a couple of 1,000-yard seasons out of them. That doesn't include Adrian Peterson, who has only one 1,000-yard season right now, no matter how gaudy that one season was.

The elite backs from the rest of the college ranks include most of the best backs around the NFL over the past several years. It includes LaDainian Tomlinson, Jamal Lewis, Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai, Fred Taylor, Clinton Portis, Deuce McAllister, Steven Jackson, Willis McGahee, Thomas Jones and Ricky Williams.

Now there have been some other busts, of course. But among those 42 other tailbacks, there are only seven who stand out as clear busts (Trung Candidate, J.J. Arrington, J.J. Johnson, Eric Shelton, William Green, Mike Cloud and John Avery). Beyond the fact that this proves you should never trust a guy named J.J., it also shows that the conventional wisdom is true--it's usually a pretty safe bet to draft a tailback early, as long as they don't come from the Big Ten.

If you're looking for a safer bet, check out backs from the Southeastern Conference. Over the past 10 years, 13 SEC backs have been drafted in the first two rounds. They have combined for 29 1,000-yard seasons. Eight of them have at least one 1,000-yard season and six have had two or more 1,000-yard seasons. Only two of them (Johnson and Avery) were busts. While Kevin Faulk sits somewhere in between. He has never had a 1,000-yard rushing season, but he has been a valuable third-down back. The jury is still out on 2007 second-round pick Kenny Irons.

That's good news for Darren McFadden and Felix Jones--a pair of SEC backs who could be first-round picks.

sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/04/02/beware-of-big-10-backs/
And,just to go back a little further,lets not forget 2x heismen winner ARCHIE GRIFFIN:star:
 

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sago1;2065003 said:
OTOH, I seriously doubt Jerry Jones drafted Felix because of their Arkansas ties. No previous record of grabbing Arkansas players except the signing of Ken Hamlin/a FS/SS previously with Seattle. No, I gotta believe Garrett really wanted Felix over Mendenhall. Well wait & see what kind of career Felix has but I expect to see him used in myriad of ways in Garrett's offense to fully utilize his talents.


I think it had more to do with him having much better information on him because of his connections to Arkansas. I can't blame him for that.
 

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I think we made the right pick. He most fits our needs and the drafting of Choice covers us if Barber were to go down as the more power based back.

We're going to be very good at the RB position.
 

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sago1;2065003 said:
Interesting. Like most Cowboy fans, I was somewhat disappointed with the Cowboys taking Felix Jones over Mendenhall; thought Mendenhall a more complete back/if MBIII went down then Mendenhall could take over; wasn't sure Felix Jones could. But we'll have to see if Mendenhall is the player most think he will be; certainly there no guarantee.

OTOH, I seriously doubt Jerry Jones drafted Felix because of their Arkansas ties. No previous record of grabbing Arkansas players except the signing of Ken Hamlin/a FS/SS previously with Seattle. No, I gotta believe Garrett really wanted Felix over Mendenhall. Well wait & see what kind of career Felix has but I expect to see him used in myriad of ways in Garrett's offense to fully utilize his talents.

I'm curious of what your definition of most is? I know there are plenty of for and against the pick. I for one am very excited we took Felix Jones.
 

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It is too bad he limited the article to the top 2 rounds. Seems to me he could have found a way to work in Barber into the article.
 

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Great article, but I think Beenie Wells will buck that trend next season. I'm a diehard SEC fan, but wells has SEC speed. Overall the article is dead on. Ohio state's 0-9 record in bowl games vs the SEC is no fluke.
 

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viman96;2065364 said:
It is too bad he limited the article to the top 2 rounds. Seems to me he could have found a way to work in Barber into the article.

This is an article from ESPN before the 2005 NFL Draft. But it takes a look at all of the rounds, not just 1 and 2. What it finds is the exact same thing happens in later rounds as well.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...e=schatz/050405
 

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miamicowboy21;2065393 said:
Great article, but I think Beenie Wells will buck that trend next season. I'm a diehard SEC fan, but wells has SEC speed. Overall the article is dead on. Ohio state's 0-9 record in bowl games vs the SEC is no fluke.

In the past 5 years, including bowl games, the SEC and Big 10 are 9-9 head to head.
 

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Doomsday101;2065083 said:
I think Mendenhall is a fine back and I wish him the best. I see no need to knock him to justify getting Felix Jones. Dallas got the guy they wanted and Jones clearly has great talent of his own.

Exactly...........:thumbup:
 

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Sarge;2065677 said:
Exactly...........:thumbup:

Seems many do that each year. Had we drafted Mendenhall many of the same folks would be trashing F. Jones or other backs. We saw that after the Ware and Merriman draft. I just don't see the need to trash a player to justify your teams own pick.
 
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