Bewildered over Cowboy nation these days

[RS12]

Cowboys season rests on Romo and getting pressure on opponent QB in a nutshell.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

i think we should draft all our players in the 4th round.

think of the savings!

I think we should just sign UFAs. Your critical thought process is of even more value if you just take it to the next step and apply this.

 

[CATCH17]

Once he started thrashing opposing defenses, people will come around. I think the fact that he was selected with the #4 overall pick is why people aren't loving him right away. If we got Zeke with say, the 11th pick, there would be a lot less crankiness about it. Top 5 picks are so rare(unless you're the browns), and so valuable, whatever player you take there HAS to be a difference maker for 5+ years. I think we'll be good.

Look how many of the NFLs top RBs weren't selected top 10 or even in the first round though.


I love the player but it's about as bad as it gets from a value standpoint.

Throw in the fact that this is a position that spends a lot of the time on the sidelines due to injury and it just makes it that much worse.

He has to be great for this pick to be validated.

 

[Idgit]

Right. Elliott is excellent but its how you spend your picks as a whole. You could have Ramsey and still get a young RB in the 2nd and 3rd that adds fresh legs to the older guys. I liked that the Texans got a speed guy in Tyler Ervin from SJSU in the 4th and they have Lamar Miller. To me it isn't disliking Elliott...think he is a stud...its a dislike of how we allocated resources to improve the team.

Exactly right. And I agree on that Ervin pick, too.

It's frustrating feeling like we've got a team that's close with a small window and watching us use premium picks on RBs and long shots. And I like both of those players a lot. It's just a bad use of limited resources.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Look how many of the NFLs top RBs weren't selected top 10 or even in the first round though.


I love the player but it's about as bad as it gets from a value standpoint.

Throw in the fact that this is a position that spends a lot of the time on the sidelines due to injury and it just makes it that much worse.

He has to be great for this pick to be validated.

AP great. I mean, it could happen and the best possible chance of this happening is behind our OL but, still in all, it's a long shot IMO.

 

[CATCH17]

AP great. I mean, it could happen and the best possible chance of this happening is behind our OL but, still in all, it's a long shot IMO.

Yep... There is a loooong list of guys that can run for 1100-1300 yards with a healthy Romo and this OL.

He has to be elite.

 

[Ken]

The people that were disgusted with dmc and thought dallas should have kept murray are the same people that are thrilled about ee. The people that were fine with randle and dmc...are ok with morris are the ones that think ee was an unneccesary add with a first round pick. It seems pretty clear to me.

Your post could have just said "people shouldnt disagree with me".

Ya, I was actually very open about DMC being a potential perfect fit for us and was also ok with Morris. I am elated by adding Zeke though.

 

[lqmac1]

It's truly stunning.

A year ago, people around here were disgusted about signing Darren McFadden. Too old, too injury-prone, too slow, no production, 4th string on the Raiders, just a guy to give Joseph Randle a break. Nothing but a flyer and damage control.

Dallas was being disloyal to the greatness of Demarco Murray, and stupid to let him get away to an arch rival for $8 million a year. Dallas should have given this 27-year-old running back what he had earned the prior year, even though he'd never really done anything like that before (and probably wouldn't again).

The angst was rightly palpable, especially after a draft that yielded no answers.

Fast forward a year...

Many of these same people now claim McFadden is all the Cowboys needed behind this offensive line. Suddenly, he's a spring chicken with 300 carries easy in his body, and he would have delivered this time in the clutch, not just in meaningless games and garbage time. Alfred Morris would have added to the greatness, despite the fact Washington said "no thanks" just like Oakland did to McFadden. Other teams trash is suddenly our stolen treasure.

Drafting a 20-year-old phenom likened to Ladanian Tomlinson was a wasted pick. That's the gobbledygook being slopped around local radio and these boards.

The amazingly ridiculous suggestion is that Elliott won't be measurably more successful behind this offensive line than the two journeymen cast-offs. Never mind that Elliott is much faster, more powerful, vastly laterally quicker, better built, a better blocker, and a significantly better receiver than both of both of the vets combined. All that with a new set of Michelins, and a lesser price tag than Murray.

With a healthy Romo, this will now be the best offense in football. But never mind that. Wasted pick.

The stat dorks will point to McFadden's meaningless yards. They'll ignore the situational aspects of what it means to defend plays against a superstar back versus a scrap-heap guy. They'll ignore Elliott's propensity to score touchdowns, which McFadden has seldom done. They'll ignore the great likelihood that McFadden would have gotten hurt again, for the umpteenth time, any day now.

Fans around the division wanted to throw bricks through their TVs. The whole league is shaking their heads in disgust about what Elliott adds to this offense. Cowboy haters are none to happy because it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to do the math.

Apparently, we're running low on rocket surgeons these days. I expect it from local media, who are clawing and scratching for relevance and audience these days. But from the common Cowboys fans, especially those who watched what Dorsett and Emmitt did here, it's befuddling to put it kindly.

Six months from now, you'll nary here a whisper about it again. Elliott will be the brightest rookie star, and nobody except Jacksonville fans will be uttering the name of Jalen Ramsey. The NFC East will see the Cowboys in first place, and be dreading the next many years of facing Elliott and this monster line.

In the meantime, I think I need to invest in ear muffs. (Cue the Old School memes.)

I try not to even get caught up with it. You go on our rivals message board and they are shaking in their boots. You can't ever do anything to impress a wine and cheese crowd.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

You don't get it because you don't want to get it. This discussion is really about financials. This has never, ever, been about the players abilities. Everybody knows that Elliot has talent. The question is, is it talent that is worth the money you will need to spend for it and would you be better served if you took a player like Booker in the 4th round and used that 4th over all for a player at another position?

That's the issue. All the rest you posted is really trying to paint a very specific picture that suites an angle.

To you it's financial. To the Joneses, the CBoys coaching staff it's about what Elliott brings they felt that the other RB's didn't as a whole. He is, or was in college, the complete package for a rb.

 

[erod]

Homer much?

Not at all. Said that before the draft.

 

[Sydla]

Not hardly. Most laughed at McFadden's signing and thought the draft would make it right. No pick came, and they were disgusted.

Now the pick comes, and McFadden is suddenly the answer and Elliott is a "luxury".

Hypocrisy abounds among the masses.

Well in fairness, we now have the luxury of having seen McFadden play for a year. The guy that was too broken down and useless and a waste of space on the roster ran for 1000 yards on a team that had no credible passing threat whatsoever.

So sure, it's not surprising some would change their minds. Last year proved again that you likely didn't need a Top 5 drafted TB to have a running game.

You can poo poo the stats all you want. That's what people who don't have statistical evidence to back up their claims do.............. just pretend and act like the stats lie. But you've made claims that are clearly refuted by stats.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

i think we should draft all our players in the 4th round.

think of the savings!

A fan worried about the CBoys because of the financial implications for drafting Elliott. Insane.

 

[Sydla]

Because you knew Booker would be there in the 4th round? And you want to trust Romo's collar bone and back to a rookie from nowhere than can't pass protect?

They had Elliott as the best player in the draft. He was the most complete back by a country mile. He was there. You take him every single time, and with this line, all 32 teams would do the same.

You know this how?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

To you it's financial. To the Joneses, the CBoys coaching staff it's about what Elliott brings they felt that the other RB's didn't as a whole. He is, or was in college, the complete package for a rb.

Perhaps that's true. I would not be surprised. We have many, many examples of this team not being concerned with the financial aspects of certain personnel moves. Too many really but it is what it is.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

A fan worried about the CBoys because of the financial implications for drafting Elliott. Insane.

What, the idea of overpaying or the idea of being concerned about cap?

 

[jobberone]

It's truly stunning.

A year ago, people around here were disgusted about signing Darren McFadden. Too old, too injury-prone, too slow, no production, 4th string on the Raiders, just a guy to give Joseph Randle a break. Nothing but a flyer and damage control.

Dallas was being disloyal to the greatness of Demarco Murray, and stupid to let him get away to an arch rival for $8 million a year. Dallas should have given this 27-year-old running back what he had earned the prior year, even though he'd never really done anything like that before (and probably wouldn't again).

The angst was rightly palpable, especially after a draft that yielded no answers.

Fast forward a year...

Many of these same people now claim McFadden is all the Cowboys needed behind this offensive line. Suddenly, he's a spring chicken with 300 carries easy in his body, and he would have delivered this time in the clutch, not just in meaningless games and garbage time. Alfred Morris would have added to the greatness, despite the fact Washington said "no thanks" just like Oakland did to McFadden. Other teams trash is suddenly our stolen treasure.

Drafting a 20-year-old phenom likened to Ladanian Tomlinson was a wasted pick. That's the gobbledygook being slopped around local radio and these boards.

The amazingly ridiculous suggestion is that Elliott won't be measurably more successful behind this offensive line than the two journeymen cast-offs. Never mind that Elliott is much faster, more powerful, vastly laterally quicker, better built, a better blocker, and a significantly better receiver than both of both of the vets combined. All that with a new set of Michelins, and a lesser price tag than Murray.

With a healthy Romo, this will now be the best offense in football. But never mind that. Wasted pick.

The stat dorks will point to McFadden's meaningless yards. They'll ignore the situational aspects of what it means to defend plays against a superstar back versus a scrap-heap guy. They'll ignore Elliott's propensity to score touchdowns, which McFadden has seldom done. They'll ignore the great likelihood that McFadden would have gotten hurt again, for the umpteenth time, any day now.

Fans around the division wanted to throw bricks through their TVs. The whole league is shaking their heads in disgust about what Elliott adds to this offense. Cowboy haters are none to happy because it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to do the math.

Apparently, we're running low on rocket surgeons these days. I expect it from local media, who are clawing and scratching for relevance and audience these days. But from the common Cowboys fans, especially those who watched what Dorsett and Emmitt did here, it's befuddling to put it kindly.

Six months from now, you'll nary here a whisper about it again. Elliott will be the brightest rookie star, and nobody except Jacksonville fans will be uttering the name of Jalen Ramsey. The NFC East will see the Cowboys in first place, and be dreading the next many years of facing Elliott and this monster line.

In the meantime, I think I need to invest in ear muffs. (Cue the Old School memes.)

Well written and entertaining but a bit too much syrup.

Most here acknowledged how good he was and the offense would be significantly better IF they used him in the passing game properly ala Faulk or even LT. He reminds me of Muncie. You don't win with the running game perse although I believe you can POSSIBLY get 1-3 wins a year IF you run the clock out.....which this team should be able to do. How much he would add to McFadden and/or Morris IDK. Some I suspect.

And you devalue Ramsey's effect on our passing defense. Not too many people here would disagree with my saying we are average at best at safety. Put Jones and Ramsey back there and eventually you have a much better pass defense. TOs are great but plain ole pass defense wins games. My guess is the team is better over the long haul with those two at safety esp once you add a superior pass rush to go with it.

 

[Sydla]

I try not to even get caught up with it. You go on our rivals message board and they are shaking in their boots. You can't ever do anything to impress a wine and cheese crowd.

I've gone to a few rival message boards and it's more mixed than you let on. I've seen more than enough posts thinking we screwed up taking a TB that we probably didn't need.

 

[erod]

Look how many of the NFLs top RBs weren't selected top 10 or even in the first round though.


I love the player but it's about as bad as it gets from a value standpoint.

Throw in the fact that this is a position that spends a lot of the time on the sidelines due to injury and it just makes it that much worse.

He has to be great for this pick to be validated.

Look at the players taken before Adrian Peterson. Think some teams would like a do-over?

Teams make a lot of stupid first round picks.

 

[jobberone]

Right. Elliott is excellent but its how you spend your picks as a whole. You could have Ramsey and still get a young RB in the 2nd and 3rd that adds fresh legs to the older guys. I liked that the Texans got a speed guy in Tyler Ervin from SJSU in the 4th and they have Lamar Miller. To me it isn't disliking Elliott...think he is a stud...its a dislike of how we allocated resources to improve the team.

Better said than me. And we will have a better offense with EE. He just needs to stay healthy.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I dont think anyone is mad about EE the player. I think most are disgusted the pick came too early for a RB. And then the rest of the draft netted us not much. Smith's knee allowing him to play, is the only way this draft is likely a success. And thats why folks are disgusted. 1 player and the rest are spitballs.