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CATCH17

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Think of all the great RBs that did get drafted in the first. RB is like any other position. The higher they are drafted usually indicates their talent level.



Now go look at the RB's since the position has been devalued and how many quality RB's you can get throughout the draft.

RB's are a dime a dozen. You don't have to take a hit on quality either because you can find quality RB's throughout the draft.


Forte, Charles, Miller, Murray, McCoy, Rice, Hyde, Foster, and the list goes on and on.

Look at David Johnson a year ago.. We should've been all over that.



I hope Zeke produces at a level that validates the pick but it will be tough and I think there will be guys drafted later on that produce similar results.

I'm pumped about Zeke though. I really am. I think it was a fun draft day move but probably not the smartest move.
 

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You don't get it because you don't want to get it. This discussion is really about financials. This has never, ever, been about the players abilities. Everybody knows that Elliot has talent. The question is, is it talent that is worth the money you will need to spend for it and would you be better served if you took a player like Booker in the 4th round and used that 4th over all for a player at another position?

That's the issue. All the rest you posted is really trying to paint a very specific picture that suites an angle.

Awesomeness.
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I have a hard time with the Carson Wentz - Jay Cutler comparison just because Wentz seems like a good attitude good guy and well, Cutler, not so much...the rest I can see

I think there's a lot of denial about Wentz and he's going to be a nightmare to play against. Give him a year or 2 in the system and he's going to be a gamer. We'll have to shore up our defense in the biggest way to control him.
 

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I hope he is transcendent.

He doesn't wow me so much as a runner that I'd spend a top 10 pick on him but to each his own.


Again, I like the player but I see him as horrible value. Hopefully he proves me wrong and produces like Peterson without the Peterson injuries.

He has to be a game changer.

Murray, the guy who all the know-it-all's were now 'happy to see go', led the league with 1,800 yards in 2014. That, at a cost of a 3rd round pick and $1.4 million in salary.

Out of the box, Elliott will cost triple in salary, and triple in draft value.

What kind of numbers does he have to put up to be "so much better than Murray" like these blowhards want to claim?

How much does he need to produce to justify such a huge cost?

The answer will be a lie that will claim it's wrong to expect more than what Murray did in 2014. Made by some starstruck fanboy that wants to throw out stats, draft value, and salary cap and every tangible number or fact, only to focus on their dream coming true and not wanting to deal with the realities of the whole situation.
 

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Haha good post. The same people that hated McFadden hated Morris and now they are pissed with drafting Elliot.
 

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It's truly stunning.

A year ago, people around here were disgusted about signing Darren McFadden. Too old, too injury-prone, too slow, no production, 4th string on the Raiders, just a guy to give Joseph Randle a break. Nothing but a flyer and damage control.

Dallas was being disloyal to the greatness of Demarco Murray, and stupid to let him get away to an arch rival for $8 million a year. Dallas should have given this 27-year-old running back what he had earned the prior year, even though he'd never really done anything like that before (and probably wouldn't again).

The angst was rightly palpable, especially after a draft that yielded no answers.

Fast forward a year...

Many of these same people now claim McFadden is all the Cowboys needed behind this offensive line. Suddenly, he's a spring chicken with 300 carries easy in his body, and he would have delivered this time in the clutch, not just in meaningless games and garbage time. Alfred Morris would have added to the greatness, despite the fact Washington said "no thanks" just like Oakland did to McFadden. Other teams trash is suddenly our stolen treasure.

Drafting a 20-year-old phenom likened to Ladanian Tomlinson was a wasted pick. That's the gobbledygook being slopped around local radio and these boards.

The amazingly ridiculous suggestion is that Elliott won't be measurably more successful behind this offensive line than the two journeymen cast-offs. Never mind that Elliott is much faster, more powerful, vastly laterally quicker, better built, a better blocker, and a significantly better receiver than both of both of the vets combined. All that with a new set of Michelins, and a lesser price tag than Murray.

With a healthy Romo, this will now be the best offense in football. But never mind that. Wasted pick.

The stat dorks will point to McFadden's meaningless yards. They'll ignore the situational aspects of what it means to defend plays against a superstar back versus a scrap-heap guy. They'll ignore Elliott's propensity to score touchdowns, which McFadden has seldom done. They'll ignore the great likelihood that McFadden would have gotten hurt again, for the umpteenth time, any day now.

Fans around the division wanted to throw bricks through their TVs. The whole league is shaking their heads in disgust about what Elliott adds to this offense. Cowboy haters are none to happy because it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to do the math.

Apparently, we're running low on rocket surgeons these days. I expect it from local media, who are clawing and scratching for relevance and audience these days. But from the common Cowboys fans, especially those who watched what Dorsett and Emmitt did here, it's befuddling to put it kindly.

Six months from now, you'll nary here a whisper about it again. Elliott will be the brightest rookie star, and nobody except Jacksonville fans will be uttering the name of Jalen Ramsey. The NFC East will see the Cowboys in first place, and be dreading the next many years of facing Elliott and this monster line.

In the meantime, I think I need to invest in ear muffs. (Cue the Old School memes.)

I think the realism is sinking in. We let Murray go to get an inferior runner in MCFadden and to get EE at probably the same cost.
What worries me is the inexplicable picks of a rehabbing athlete and others who won't inspire much enthusiasm or produce on the field what their draft pedigree implied.
We do now, however, have a very good RB corps.
 

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It's truly stunning.

A year ago, people around here were disgusted about signing Darren McFadden. Too old, too injury-prone, too slow, no production, 4th string on the Raiders, just a guy to give Joseph Randle a break. Nothing but a flyer and damage control.

Dallas was being disloyal to the greatness of Demarco Murray, and stupid to let him get away to an arch rival for $8 million a year. Dallas should have given this 27-year-old running back what he had earned the prior year, even though he'd never really done anything like that before (and probably wouldn't again).

The angst was rightly palpable, especially after a draft that yielded no answers.

Fast forward a year...

Many of these same people now claim McFadden is all the Cowboys needed behind this offensive line. Suddenly, he's a spring chicken with 300 carries easy in his body, and he would have delivered this time in the clutch, not just in meaningless games and garbage time. Alfred Morris would have added to the greatness, despite the fact Washington said "no thanks" just like Oakland did to McFadden. Other teams trash is suddenly our stolen treasure.

Drafting a 20-year-old phenom likened to Ladanian Tomlinson was a wasted pick. That's the gobbledygook being slopped around local radio and these boards.

The amazingly ridiculous suggestion is that Elliott won't be measurably more successful behind this offensive line than the two journeymen cast-offs. Never mind that Elliott is much faster, more powerful, vastly laterally quicker, better built, a better blocker, and a significantly better receiver than both of both of the vets combined. All that with a new set of Michelins, and a lesser price tag than Murray.

With a healthy Romo, this will now be the best offense in football. But never mind that. Wasted pick.

The stat dorks will point to McFadden's meaningless yards. They'll ignore the situational aspects of what it means to defend plays against a superstar back versus a scrap-heap guy. They'll ignore Elliott's propensity to score touchdowns, which McFadden has seldom done. They'll ignore the great likelihood that McFadden would have gotten hurt again, for the umpteenth time, any day now.

Fans around the division wanted to throw bricks through their TVs. The whole league is shaking their heads in disgust about what Elliott adds to this offense. Cowboy haters are none to happy because it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to do the math.

Apparently, we're running low on rocket surgeons these days. I expect it from local media, who are clawing and scratching for relevance and audience these days. But from the common Cowboys fans, especially those who watched what Dorsett and Emmitt did here, it's befuddling to put it kindly.

Six months from now, you'll nary here a whisper about it again. Elliott will be the brightest rookie star, and nobody except Jacksonville fans will be uttering the name of Jalen Ramsey. The NFC East will see the Cowboys in first place, and be dreading the next many years of facing Elliott and this monster line.

In the meantime, I think I need to invest in ear muffs. (Cue the Old School memes.)

You're generalizing. A year ago there was a huge variety of opinions ranging from McFadden's a worthless bum to give the guy a chance, he may work out.
 

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The people that were disgusted with dmc and thought dallas should have kept murray are the same people that are thrilled about ee. The people that were fine with randle and dmc...are ok with morris are the ones that think ee was an unneccesary add with a first round pick. It seems pretty clear to me.

Your post could have just said "people shouldnt disagree with me".

And scene.
 

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Murray, the guy who all the know-it-all's were now 'happy to see go', led the league with 1,800 yards in 2014. That, at a cost of a 3rd round pick and $1.4 million in salary.

Out of the box, Elliott will cost triple in salary, and triple in draft value.

What kind of numbers does he have to put up to be "so much better than Murray" like these blowhards want to claim?

How much does he need to produce to justify such a huge cost?

The answer will be a lie that will claim it's wrong to expect more than what Murray did in 2014. Made by some starstruck fanboy that wants to throw out stats, draft value, and salary cap and every tangible number or fact, only to focus on their dream coming true and not wanting to deal with the realities of the whole situation.

It took Murray 392 carries to get that 1,800 yards.

Zeke could have done it that year in 300 carries. He would have finished those runs Murray couldn't.
 

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You're generalizing. A year ago there was a huge variety of opinions ranging from McFadden's a worthless bum to give the guy a chance, he may work out.

He was a 4th stringer that nobody wanted. Hardly the "answer" to replacing Murray. Still worth a shot. The draft added nothing at RB, and the natives got restless.

I was one that did not want to sign Murray. Not after 392 carries on a 27-year-old back. I did want a back in the draft, and I held my breath hoping Randle could keep his mind right, which was obviously like whizzing in a hurricane.

Now, the problem is solved. Fantastically solved. Elliott is infinitely better than Murray and the rest here in numerous ways.
 

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It took Murray 392 carries to get that 1,800 yards.

Zeke could have done it that year in 300 carries. He would have finished those runs Murray couldn't.

Only once....in his record breaking season...has Peterson averaged 6 ypc. And EE is no Adrian Peterson.

But you foolishly think that EE is somehow going to walk in day one and do that?

Oh and Murray ran a faster 40 than EE. But you know what happened? Before his first contract was up he'd lost his burst. Because playing RB takes a huge toll on the body.

But somehow you think EE is immune to this decline. He's a 1 contract player who we will give 2 contracts to. And we will have foolishly used the 4th overall pick for that "honor."
 
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Safeties are just DBs the same as CBs. One in the box safety or good cover LB esp in SPs is all you need. The rest need be long rangy CBs. Been saying this a few years.

So you're not on board with picking a RB at 4, but you are ok with taking the best corner and moving him to safety at 4?

Ramsey is a corner. To get a shutdown corner for 5 mill a year is a steal. That's how smart teams do it.

Now, I do like Zeke. I don't think he will be "transcendent", but he will be very good. He will make more plays on his own than Murray did. And he's leaps and bounds better than McFadden or Morris. So was it a need? Maybe. But building this line was in part to allow us to use virtually anyone at RB.

I would have taken Ramsey and then a RB later. I was looking at a guy like Smallwood. If anyone had known that the RBs were going to drop like they did, then to me it's a no brainer that you go with Ramsey and then grab a RB later.

Even with all that being said, it will be fun to watch Zeke play. He'll show something we haven't seen in a long time. And grabbing Jaylen Smith kind of balances things out. Provided he get's back to form. Which I think he does.
 

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The stat dorks will point to McFadden's meaningless yards. They'll ignore the situational aspects of what it means to defend plays against a superstar back versus a scrap-heap guy. They'll ignore Elliott's propensity to score touchdowns, which McFadden has seldom done. They'll ignore the great likelihood that McFadden would have gotten hurt again, for the umpteenth time, any day now.

I love how Zeke is already penciled in as a TD scoring NFL superstar.
 

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Elliott is not faster than DMC.

I think the comparisons to Tomlinson are overly optimistic.

We have far bigger needs, not only presently, but long term, than a RB.

We could have traded down with the Ravens who were NOT going to pick EE (it's been confirmed by multiple sources) and still gotten the same guy plus a 4th round pick. Could have easily sweetened the pot to get Lynch.

I don't see the adulation over EE. Seems like a great collegiate player, not sure that his stuff translates to the pros. His SPARQ score was pretty abysmal. That doesn't mean he can't play, but it means the comparisons to Peterson are a stretch.

We probably could not have screwed up this draft any worse than we did. I hope I'm wrong, but it sucks because if I'm not wrong, it's going to be a L-O-N-G five years to come.







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Only once....in his record breaking season...has Peterson averaged 6 ypc. And EE is no Adrian Peterson.

But you foolishly think that EE is somehow going to walk in day one and do that?

Oh and Murray ran a faster 40 than EE. But you know what happened? Before his first contract was up he'd lost his burst. Because playing RB takes a huge toll on the body.

But somehow you think EE is immune to this decline. He's a 1 contract player who we will give 2 contracts to. And will have used the 4th overall pick for that "honor."

That burst is nice, and I hope he doesn't lose it anytime soon. Murray was a different build, and he lost it early on.

But great backs do more than just run for 80-yard touchdowns. Murray had poor vision at times, and never grasped the importance of ball security. The way he held the ball drove me nuts and it bit Dallas badly in Green Bay.

Elliott does everything well. Especially the little things. I see a career very similar to Emmitt's in role and purpose. He'll be the same impetus as Emmitt was.

Watch the attitude of the offense change now. Just like it did with Emmitt.
 

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Elliott helps the D right now more than Ramsey would. He helps the entire team more than any other player Dallas could have gotten at 4. Stephen was clear that they would prefer to pay youth at RB, not age/past performance. When the entire team's roster depends on a dominant ground game/smart RB blocking to win games, you don't get cute with the pick and hope to get "good enough" in the later rounds. You knock it out of the park with a sure thing like Elliott, sign former starting veterans for backups, and start winning games.
 

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I love how Zeke is already penciled in as a TD scoring NFL superstar.

It is not guaranteed, but it's about 90 percent certain.

Ramsey is about 55 percent certain to be a star. Goff and Wentz are about 10 percent.

I like the odds.
 

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I was in the crowd that actually liked the McFadden signing and agreed we shouldn't have given Murray all that money. I even predicted that if McFadden stayed healthy that he'd outrush Demarco.

I also wanted Ramsey over Zeke.

That being said, if you feel he's the BPA then he was absolutely the best pick. McFadden and Morris arent exactly spring chickens, so it's not like we wasted a guy who's going to be buried in the depth chart. The talent at the top of this draft simply wasn't very good either. If we had passed on a Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack, Amari Cooper type prospect then I'd be pretty upset, but there wasn't one there.

Defense would have been nice, and rushing efficiency can be argued. But if you're interested on his effect on passing differential, he didn't give up a sack in 2015 and I'm pretty sure he didn't fumble either, which will also effect the turnover differential. Murray averaged 4 something yards a carry, I think Elliott can not only give us bigger plays with the experience along the OL, but if he can average more ypc it will directly influence higher % down and distances for the Romo and the offense, increasing the passing differential even more.

He has all the talent to be a game changer. That's what you ask for with your first rounder.

It's simple for me, I want to make Tonys job easier. I also want to score more points per drive (point differential in a game is always 100% correct). It looks like we took a guy that can do that.

It's also going to be a lot of fun watching this OL and Zeke get after it.
 

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It took Murray 392 carries to get that 1,800 yards.

Zeke could have done it that year in 300 carries. He would have finished those runs Murray couldn't.

Tell me about it if and when it happens and save the woulda, coulda, shoulda's.

To be worth the huge investment, he needs to significantly outperform Murray's 2014 numbers.

Heck, even McFadden was able to get 1,100 yards, and that was with no quarterback or passing game to speak of.
 
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