Big combine changes, players barred

[WoodysGirl]

I'm glad you noted the difference also. It's a conviction not a charge. And it really goes beyond the NFL to college.

Young players now know that if they want to increase their chances of getting into the NFL, they can't be doing stupid stuff that ends up in a criminal conviction.

It really shouldn't affect that many athletes, though.

For one, I think this wouldn't take into account crimes committed by juveniles, as those records are generally sealed and expunged when a kid reaches the age of adulthood.

For two, I don't think there are that many college players with criminal records, relatively and comparatively speaking.

For three, it's not really going to matter much. If a college athlete is a stud like Von Miller, he doesn't have to go to the combine. A team can still work him out and draft him.

ALL of this ^^^^

 

[Kevinicus]

Follow the law in your state or move to another state.

Even the illegal ones?

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

 

[blindzebra]

Well Hardy had a conviction that was actually not a conviction so there is that. I can't imagine the player's union agreeing to this.

 

[RW31]

The same league that forces players that suffer concussions back on the field after 1-2 snaps. Smoke some weed and you're gone for the year. Stay classy, NFL. What a hypocrite bunch of turds.

 

[tyke1doe]

Well Hardy had a conviction that was actually not a conviction so there is that. I can't imagine the player's union agreeing to this.

But this is one of those "limbo" rules. It really doesn't pertain to NFL players even though it impacts the NFL.

Its impact is mainly on college players. And it's probably only going to hurt marginal college players anyway. And, of course, we know that if you're a marginal player, your chances of being drafted - combine or not - are slim to none.

To me, this is a window-dressing, message statement. It would be different if the new policy banned active NFL players who are convicted of a felony involving a domestic or sexual assault. You KNOW the union would fight such a policy.

But this? This is just a policy that makes the NFL look good and is targeted toward high school and college players.

 

[tyke1doe]

The same league that forces players that suffer concussions back on the field after 1-2 snaps. Smoke some weed and you're gone for the year. Stay classy, NFL. What a hypocrite bunch of turds.

First, the NFL doesn't still do that does it? What is the concussion protocol all about if it does?

Second, the "hypocrite" criticism is so played. We ALL are hypocrites if you look at anyone's actions from a purist perspective. No one has stayed consistent in EVERY aspect of one's life. It's impossible to do because it would mean no one has had the need to grow or mature.

 

[Fletch]

Ridiculous. Might as well have them stand in a street corner with a scarlet letter

Whatever works. Maybe these alpha male athletes will learn to behave like normal people.

You want to play a "game" at this level, and get paid handsomely, then you better earn it on and off the field. It's not that much to ask.

 

[cowboyblue22]

I hope they pass the rule of two personal fouls in a game and you are thrown out.

 

[robjay04]

Even the illegal ones?

Not trying to get into a political argument but I do know the states have a right to make their own laws. There are laws that both sides of the political spectrum balk at concerning concerning their constitutionality. The good thing about this country is that you are free to move throughout and our state laws are vastly different from one state to the next. It isn't up to Roger Goodell to interpret the constitution and decide if the law is just in the state where the crime was committed. It is up to players to take personal responsibility and follow the laws that are set in place by the elected officials in the state he resides in.

 

[DenCWBY]

Not trying to get into a political argument but I do know the states have a right to make their own laws. There are laws that both sides of the political spectrum balk at concerning concerning their constitutionality. The good thing about this country is that you are free to move throughout and our state laws are vastly different from one state to the next. It isn't up to Roger Goodell to interpret the constitution and decide if the law is just in the state where the crime was committed. It is up to players to take personal responsibility and follow the laws that are set in place by the elected officials in the state he resides in.

Good post. Curious, how do the NFL rules reside if an NFL player who lives in Colorado smokes pot (legally)? Doesn't the NFL still have the right within the organization to punish a player for this act although it's "lawful" in the state he resides?

 

[RW31]

First, the NFL doesn't still do that does it? What is the concussion protocol all about if it does?

Second, the "hypocrite" criticism is so played. We ALL are hypocrites if you look at anyone's actions from a purist perspective. No one has stayed consistent in EVERY aspect of one's life. It's impossible to do because it would mean no one has had the need to grow or mature.

Does the name Case Keenum ring a bell? If not look into this a little more. You sound very gullible.

Secondly, that has nothing to do with the point I made. Don't give me this "league values" horse **** and meanwhile you're telling your viewers to drink alcohol, you don't protect your players that suffered concussions, you deny the fact that football is the reason these guys have brain damage, CTE, commit crimes, are suicidal and so on. This isn't about being a "purist". Just stop feeding us ********. How do you suspend players for smoking some weed for a year or more and yet if somebody suffers a concussion (in other sports that's an automatic 6 month suspension to protect the athlete) you don't care and throw him back on the field to make sure the ratings don't go down? Seriously, how gullible are you?

 

[Kevinicus]

Not trying to get into a political argument but I do know the states have a right to make their own laws. There are laws that both sides of the political spectrum balk at concerning concerning their constitutionality. The good thing about this country is that you are free to move throughout and our state laws are vastly different from one state to the next. It isn't up to Roger Goodell to interpret the constitution and decide if the law is just in the state where the crime was committed. It is up to players to take personal responsibility and follow the laws that are set in place by the elected officials in the state he resides in.

Well yeah the states do, but there are limits. Regardless of all that, the NFL has the right to put these restrictions on players. But personally I don't think they should be too overzealous when deciding which infractions to stand against...and maybe they aren't.

 

[robjay04]

Good post. Curious, how do the NFL rules reside if an NFL player who lives in Colorado smokes pot (legally)? Doesn't the NFL still have the right within the organization to punish a player for this act although it's "lawful" in the state he resides?

I believe the rule still stands. HGH is legal as far as I understand for me but it is against NFL rules.

 

[Direwolf63]

Does the name Case Keenum ring a bell? If not look into this a little more. You sound very gullible.

Secondly, that has nothing to do with the point I made. Don't give me this "league values" horse **** and meanwhile you're telling your viewers to drink alcohol, you don't protect your players that suffered concussions, you deny the fact that football is the reason these guys have brain damage, CTE, commit crimes, are suicidal and so on. This isn't about being a "purist". Just stop feeding us bull****. How do you suspend players for smoking some weed for a year or more and yet if somebody suffers a concussion (in other sports that's an automatic 6 month suspension to protect the athlete) you don't care and throw him back on the field to make sure the ratings don't go down? Seriously, how gullible are you?

I'm not going to argue your points, but I will ask this: why do you even watch football? Why are you on this site commenting? If the sport is destroying lives, then watching and contributing to discussions seems hypocritical to me.

And yes, its a free country. You can do whatever you want. It seems a little funny to my eyes.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Think how this could affect players like Noah Spence's draft position. Teams will have to focus a little harder at player Pro days an player visits.

Think the NFL finally got a policy right.

That's an excellent point and one that should be explained.

Spence never had weapon or DM charges. He did however have drug charges that included ecstsasy. But he's an interesting story. By all accounts he's a good kid who had a 3.0 GPA his entire college career with two solid parents. He got caught up partying too much out of high school and it carried over into Ohio St.

But Urban Meyer loved him and got him into Eastern Kentucky where he's been clean ever since.

I think weapons and DM is a whole different ball game than drug and alcohol and that would be the ultimately slippery slope by the NFL. Personally, I've got no problems with the league stance on this. Doesn't mean they can't have team workouts, doesn't mean they can't be drafted or even play. It just sends a message they can't be part of the process as a result of their transgressions.

BTW - if there is a potential Von Miller in this draft - it would be Noah Spence and after the Super Bowl I expect him to rise up the boards.

 

[Direwolf63]

I believe the rule still stands. HGH is legal as far as I understand for me but it is against NFL rules.

There are still federal laws with respect to pot usage, I believe. The feds may not be enforcing them, but they are there.

 

[Doomsday101]

The same league that forces players that suffer concussions back on the field after 1-2 snaps. Smoke some weed and you're gone for the year. Stay classy, NFL. What a hypocrite bunch of turds.

League does not force players back to start with. Concussion protocol now has independent neurologist on the sideline they check the player out after they are shaken up and it is their determination not the team, player or coach if they play or not.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I believe the rule still stands. HGH is legal as far as I understand for me but it is against NFL rules.

HGH is absolutely legal. In fact my doctor, a former team doctor of the Orlando Magic has prescribed it for me as do many aging clinics including Senegenics. He's a great doctor and big believer in HGH helping you in a variety of ways. He's gone to seminars and done his homework for years on it and would never jeopardize his career if he didn't think it was safe.

P.S. I'm not taking it mainly because it's $500 a month. But I would strongly consider it if the price came down.

 

[Direwolf63]

League does not force players back to start with. Concussion protocol now has independent neurologist on the sideline they check the player out after they are shaken up and it is their determination not the team, player or coach if they play or not.

The protocols still need some tweaking though. How Case Keenam was allowed to stay on the field and play after he was rocked was very troubling. Somehow, he fell through the cracks of the system.