Big combine changes, players barred

[slick325]

The operative word is "convictions". Interesting that the League respects the legal process in order to get their hands on more "product" but once they have the "product" they only need "allegations" or an "arrest" rather than "convictions" to discipline players.

 

[jterrell]

This must apply to all NFL employees, coaches and staff as well as players.

 

[LittleD]

How is this political correctness?

Come now, don't be naïve. Women and Guns are big issues in the political arena and
are points of issue with the media elite. Assaults on Women, guns in travel bags, etc.
are all the rage in the media and points of conflict in the NFL for advertisers. Big money
does not appreciate a criminal element in its reach to homes watching games.

 

[RW31]

I'm not going to argue your points, but I will ask this: why do you even watch football? Why are you on this site commenting? If the sport is destroying lives, then watching and contributing to discussions seems hypocritical to me.

And yes, its a free country. You can do whatever you want. It seems a little funny to my eyes.

Can I have some of the stuff you're smoking? It must be pretty good.

 

[tyke1doe]

Does the name Case Keenum ring a bell? If not look into this a little more. You sound very gullible.

Oh, I see. So one example establishes a pattern. You said the NFL forces "playerS" to reenter the game with concussions and yet you cite a playeR (singular). Yeah, I'm the gullible one, Mister Conspiracy Theorist.

Secondly, that has nothing to do with the point I made. Don't give me this "league values" horse **** and meanwhile you're telling your viewers to drink alcohol, you don't protect your players that suffered concussions, you deny the fact that football is the reason these guys have brain damage, CTE, commit crimes, are suicidal and so on. This isn't about being a "purist". Just stop feeding us bull****. How do you suspend players for smoking some weed for a year or more and yet if somebody suffers a concussion (in other sports that's an automatic 6 month suspension to protect the athlete) you don't care and throw him back on the field to make sure the ratings don't go down? Seriously, how gullible are you?

So I take it sense the league is SSSOOOO hypocritical and allows athletes to play with concussions - nevermind, the concussion policy - and you're SSSOOO concerned about the athlete's safety and well being, that you've stopped watching football altogether and stopped feeding the ratings which feed the league monetarily, right?

You've stopped watching the Cowboys football games because you can't stand this hypocritical league, and by extension, don't want to be a party to the league's hypocrisy?

Wait, I see a blank. Let me help you remove it from your eye.

 

[RW31]

League does not force players back to start with. Concussion protocol now has independent neurologist on the sideline they check the player out after they are shaken up and it is their determination not the team, player or coach if they play or not.

Oh, I get it. Wink Wink, let's give this guy a "concussion test" wink wink.

League: Hey Case, we need to test you. Got it Case? Case? Do you understand? Just nod, Case.
Case: *nods*
League: So here we go, Case. What's your name?
Case: Um, Case?
League: You passed the test. The man is ready. Now go help your team win you tough cookie!

 

[tyke1doe]

Come now, don't be naïve. Women and Guns are big issues in the political arena and
are points of issue with the media elite. Assaults on Women, guns in travel bags, etc.
are all the rage in the media and points of conflict in the NFL for advertisers. Big money
does not appreciate a criminal element in its reach to homes watching games.

You do know that every society known to civilization has adopted a form of "political correctness" under your loose definition?

Me being naïve.

The ones usually whining about political correctness are those who are now on the side of history where THEY can't say whatever they'd like. They cared nothing about political correctness when others couldn't say what they chose or felt.

 

[iceberg]

Conviction vs charges is the key and it's fine with me.

well since goodell can make law as he sees fit based on xyz criteria its not like it matters.

 

[RW31]

So one example establishes a pattern.

So first it doesn't happen now it's "one exmaple" since I just gave you one. Insert foot in mouth. Whoops, too late.

and you're SSSOOO concerned about the athlete's safety

Who said I was worried about anything? What are you even talking about?

You've stopped watching the Cowboys football games because you can't stand this hypocritical league, and by extension, don't want to be a party to the league's hypocrisy?

You're not making any sense.

Wait, I see a blank. Let me help you remove it from your eye.

Exactly. Excellent point.

 

[tyke1doe]

League does not force players back to start with. Concussion protocol now has independent neurologist on the sideline they check the player out after they are shaken up and it is their determination not the team, player or coach if they play or not.

Correct. This is the new standard with respect to concussions. Of course, if a particular situation falls through the cracks that becomes enough for the conspiracy crowd to rant that one example establishes an overall pattern.

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh, I get it. Wink Wink, let's give this guy a "concussion test" wink wink.

League: Hey Case, we need to test you. Got it Case? Case? Do you understand? Just nod, Case.
Case: *nods*
League: So here we go, Case. What's your name?
Case: Um, Case?
League: You passed the test. The man is ready. Now go help your team win you tough cookie!

No in the past maybe so in todays league these neurologist are independent they are not hired by the team and their goal is to monitor players. In the past a Sean Lee may have gone right back out there not now and the players return the following week is not a sure thing there were several players who after going through protocol were not allowed to play the following week.

I think some of this is unfair to the NFL for many years even the medical field knew little about long term effects of concussion.

 

[LittleD]

You do know that every society known to civilization has adopted a form of "political correctness" under your loose definition?

Me being naïve.

The ones usually whining about political correctness are those who are now on the side of history where THEY can't say whatever they'd like. They cared nothing about political correctness when others couldn't say what they chose or felt.

The commish doesn't care a bit what I think or you think. He cares what the media writes and what advertisers and
congress does. Period... The NFL is all about the show and the brand and any threat that emerges to that
paradigm.

 

[Doomsday101]

Correct. This is the new standard with respect to concussions. Of course, if a particular situation falls through the cracks that becomes enough for the conspiracy crowd to rant that one example establishes an overall pattern.

Exactly, it is not that easy to make the determination but from what have been seeing the league is being very cautious and if there is any indication the player is not allowed to return. In the case of Lee he was hurt in the Philly game and not allowed to return then was not allowed to play the following week.

 

[CCBoy]

well since goodell can make law as he sees fit based on xyz criteria its not like it matters.

Know why monopolies are illegal when they inhibit natural flow?

Not all destructive tendencies are ignored in American business...this applies to sport. The NFL got a lesson during the lockout.

 

[Doomsday101]

The commish doesn't care a bit what I think or you think. He cares what the media writes and what advertisers and
congress does. Period... The NFL is all about the show and the brand and any threat that emerges to that
paradigm.

League cares about lawsuits and I don't think they are looking to see players hurt. On the other hand we all know including the players this is a physical game and there are risk but then this is why they are paid as such. No one is being forced to play and I think as long as players understand the risk then a lot of it is up to them.

 

[tyke1doe]

So first it doesn't happen now it's "one exmaple" since I just gave you one. Insert foot in mouth. Whoops, too late.

Apparently, you have difficulty with the finer points of grammar.
I never said it didn't happen. I asked you a question.

First, the NFL doesn't still do that does it? What is the concussion protocol all about if it does?

A question mark is used in most cases when a person is seeking an answer. A question mark suggests that a person is uncertain and is asking for more definitive information.

Second, this is what YOU said:

The same league that forces players that suffer concussions back on the field after 1-2 snaps

Okay, so you cite Keenum. Let's ASSUME that the league knew about this (which we don't know for certain). You used the plural noun PLAYERS
And you gave ONE (a singular noun) example. Not MULTIPLE examples which would be consistent with your argument.

Son, before you pop off about someone being naïve and gullible, maybe you would do well to understand language and grammar, you know, basic stuff you should have learned in elementary school.

Who said I was worried about anything? What are you even talking about?

You're the one whining about hypocrisy. Of course you're upset. You know that's another word for worried, right?

You're not making any sense.

I'm making perfectly good sense, and it fits what I said initially. Everyone is a hypocrite. You want to call out the hypocrisy of others then feign stupidity when I call you out.
Or maybe it's not feigning.

Exactly. Excellent point.

Yes, because I've said EVERYONE is a hypocrite, including me and you also. Glad you recognized the point as excellent.

 

[rynochop]

Barns and Noble is that way.

They're aren't getting a job at Barnes and Nobles with that background, but I get what your saying

 

[RW31]

No in the past maybe so in todays league these neurologist are independent they are not hired by the team and their goal is to monitor players. In the past a Sean Lee may have gone right back out there not now and the players return the following week is not a sure thing there were several players who after going through protocol were not allowed to play the following week.

I think some of this is unfair to the NFL for many years even the medical field knew little about long term effects of concussion.

It's a joke either way. Is it better now than 50 years ago? Obviously. But barely. Back then they didn't take you out of the game. They don't even do it now 100% of the time. And if they do take you out of the game usually you're back on the field 1-2 weeks later. And they continue to deny the fact that there's a correlation between football and head injuries / brain damage / CTE.

 

[iceberg]

Know why monopolies are illegal when they inhibit natural flow?

Not all destructive tendencies are ignored in American business...this applies to sport. The NFL got a lesson during the lockout.

one of these days your reply will be pertinent to what i said, not what you want to say.

no one said ignore anything from what i could tell. all i WAS saying and AM STILL SAYING is that goodell can't be the one to convict people, the courts need to be. if the courts do not convict him, he can't make his own "convictions" up as he goes.

 

[LittleD]

League cares about lawsuits and I don't think they are looking to see players hurt. On the other hand we all know including the players this is a physical game and there are risk but then this is why they are paid as such. No one is being forced to play and I think as long as players understand the risk then a lot of it is up to them.

Whoops! I'm sorry, I thought I was in the banning of convicted college players being admitted to the
combine or the draft. I see where it changed to concussions. I agree though with your comments on players
and their risk and choice to play the game.