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CrownCowboy

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So now he is banning kids for having a misdemeanor on thier record?

A misdemeanor? Really?

This man is destroying the league.
 
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My brain is always active, which is why I could decipher your inability to use language correctly.

One of the first steps in communicating effectively is understanding the language of communications. And that, my friend, takes BRAIN POWER. :D

THAT was an excellent retort. Well done.
 

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I don't think you're ever going to get the competitive nature of athletes out of football. The Peyton Mannings may not feel they need to rush back in because their spot is secure.

But the Lance Dunbars of the league might.

And what I think is happening is when these guys' bells get rung, and they pass the concussion protocol - even if it may be border line (I'm not talking about those who clearly have a concussion) - they volunteer to get back out there because they don't want to lose their jobs or they want to contribute to the team win.

How do you legislate THAT out of the game?

I don't see a way to legislate that but I'm sure some genius tech guy will develop a device that will diagnose concussions in the
future and make the final decision for the Doctor. It might even be an app on a cell phone or tablet.
 

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Banned from any league related event. So no Combine and No Draft.

Not that they can't be drafted, they just can't attend the draft.

I wonder if a college holds a pro-day on it's campus for NFL scouts to come and see the players, I wonder that is considered a league event.

I wonder if annual days where teams invite local players to interview is considered a league event.

That's interesting. I wonder if the very presence of a league representative at one of these events could be construed as a "league event."

Probably not. But it would be interesting if the league "suggested" that teams not send representatives to any workout-like events. That would be too draconian, though.
 

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So now he is banning kids for having a misdemeanor on thier record?

A misdemeanor? Really?

This man is destroying the league.

Not at all. You do not have a right to a job or to play football. Obey the rules and all your dreams
are possible. Get convicted of a bad crime and you can work at McDonalds maybe.
 

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I don't see a way to legislate that but I'm sure some genius tech guy will develop a device that will diagnose concussions in the
future and make the final decision for the Doctor. It might even be an app on a cell phone or tablet.

:)
 

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Not at all. You do not have a right to a job or to play football. Obey the rules and all your dreams
are possible. Get convicted of a bad crime and you can work at McDonalds maybe.

Bad crime. A felony. Ok. I might can see some kind of point.

But a misdemeanor? All misdemeanors?

Thats unreasonable. As ultra conservative of a man as I am, that to me, is very very unreasonable.
 

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Bad crime. A felony. Ok. I might can see some kind of point.

But a misdemeanor? All misdemeanors?

Thats unreasonable. As ultra conservative of a man as I am, that to me, is very very unreasonable.

That depends upon the type that was done.
 

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Bad crime. A felony. Ok. I might can see some kind of point.

But a misdemeanor? All misdemeanors?

Thats unreasonable. As ultra conservative of a man as I am, that to me, is very very unreasonable.

Not really, lots of assaults on women are reduced to misdemeanor's and many gun charges that would be felonies in
some states are misdemeanors in others. This is one standard that can cross state and regional lines...If you do the
crime...do the time. Not unreasonable at all.
 

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I agree. Meantime all responsibility seems to be removed from the player. Witten knew he had a broken Jaw no one forced him to play he wanted to same with the lacerated spleen or Romo with the broken ribs. I guess the league could just make it mandatory that any player not at 100% is not allowed to play period. I would like to see players union reaction if the league were to say any player who has had 2 concussion are barred from ever playing in the NFL again.
That's the problem, there's so much pressure on the player from the outside that they really have no choice but to get back on the field ASAP. If you don't then you're soft, you're letting your team down. And it gets worse because of how easy it is to pass the concussion test (or to cheat), the medical staff will clear you when you know that you shouldn't be. So what do you do? Do you quit? Do you refuse to go out there even though the experts in that area are telling you that everything is fine and you're good to go? Because that's how the media is going to portray it, they'll show you on the sideline shaking your head refusing to get back on the field while the medical staff is clearing you. Your career would be over at that point, you'd be the laughing stock of the NFL.

But at the same time, what do you do? Do you suspend everybody that suffers a concussion for 3-6 months? Everybody would be placed on IR immediately. The league would be "dead", there would be so many star players missing. And if you ban everybody after 2 concussions, forget about it. The players will do whatever it takes to hide it. The least the NFL could do is be upfront about this. Tell the players, everybody, the media, fans etc. what they're signing up for. CTE, suicides, brain damage, Alzheimer, all that stuff. If you still want to play football you know what you're signing up for. It's on you. It's not any worse than breaking your neck and to sit in a wheel chair your entire life, that stuff happened as well. Players have died on the field. So concussions aren't the worst thing that could happen to you, but the issue is that the NFL is trying to sweep it under the rug because they're scared that they're gonna lose fans, that kids are not going to be allowed to play football which obviously will hurt the NFL bigtime if all the great athletes are now heading to the NBA, MLB etc. Sooner or later they have to admit what's going on, what everybody is beginning to see. I don't know what they're waiting for.
 

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Not really, lots of assaults on women are reduced to misdemeanor's and many gun charges that would be felonies in
some states are misdemeanors in others. This is one standard that can cross state and regional lines...If you do the
crime...do the time. Not unreasonable at all.

All misdemeanors is very unreasonable.

Most states classify misdemeanors in four or five subcategories on severity, ranging from jaywalking to DWI and further.

It should absolutely be subjective and be on a case by case basis. Anything else is ridiculous, as this is.
 

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That's the problem, there's so much pressure on the player from the outside that they really have no choice but to get back on the field ASAP. If you don't then you're soft, you're letting your team down. And it gets worse because of how easy it is to pass the concussion test (or to cheat), the medical staff will clear you when you know that you shouldn't be. So what do you do? Do you quit? Do you refuse to go out there even though the experts in that area are telling you that everything is fine and you're good to go? Because that's how the media is going to portray it, they'll show you on the sideline shaking your head refusing to get back on the field while the medical staff is clearing you. Your career would be over at that point, you'd be the laughing stock of the NFL.

But at the same time, what do you do? Do you suspend everybody that suffers a concussion for 3-6 months? Everybody would be placed on IR immediately. The league would be "dead", there would be so many star players missing. And if you ban everybody after 2 concussions, forget about it. The players will do whatever it takes to hide it. The least the NFL could do is be upfront about this. Tell the players, everybody, the media, fans etc. what they're signing up for. CTE, suicides, brain damage, Alzheimer, all that stuff. If you still want to play football you know what you're signing up for. It's on you. It's not any worse than breaking your neck and to sit in a wheel chair your entire life, that stuff happened as well. Players have died on the field. So concussions aren't the worst thing that could happen to you, but the issue is that the NFL is trying to sweep it under the rug because they're scared that they're gonna lose fans, that kids are not going to be allowed to play football which obviously will hurt the NFL bigtime if all the great athletes are now heading to the NBA, MLB etc. Sooner or later they have to admit what's going on, what everybody is beginning to see. I don't know what they're waiting for.


There is no middle ground here. The NFL has to protect the players from themselves. The team doctor has to have the final decision and
override the coaches or player so that he can be protected for whatever time is necessary. Otherwise lawsuits will bankrupt the NFL.
 
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That's interesting. I wonder if the very presence of a league representative at one of these events could be construed as a "league event."

Probably not. But it would be interesting if the league "suggested" that teams not send representatives to any workout-like events. That would be too draconian, though.

My guess is that the college days are run by the school, not the NFL. Individual meetings are run by the teams, not the league per say. So these players in question would be permitted to participate.

I have no proof that this is true. It just seems to make sense to me.
 

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All misdemeanors is very unreasonable.

Most states classify misdemeanors in four or five subcategories on severity, ranging from jaywalking to DWI and further.

It should absolutely be subjective and be on a case by case basis. Anything else is ridiculous, as this is.

The NFL was specific for gun convictions or assault convictions either misdemeanor or felony. I think that is pretty
clear and pretty cut and dried. The main wording is that it must be a conviction. They didn't mention thefts or drugs
on purpose.
 

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All misdemeanors is very unreasonable.

Most states classify misdemeanors in four or five subcategories on severity, ranging from jaywalking to DWI and further.

It should absolutely be subjective and be on a case by case basis. Anything else is ridiculous, as this is.

I agree. I think there has to be a case-by-case provision somewhere in this policy.
 

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The NFL was specific for gun convictions or assault convictions either misdemeanor or felony. I think that is pretty
clear and pretty cut and dried. The main wording is that it must be a conviction. They didn't mention thefts or drugs
on purpose.

Thanks for the additional info. :)
 

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The NFL was specific for gun convictions or assault convictions either misdemeanor or felony. I think that is pretty
clear and pretty cut and dried. The main wording is that it must be a conviction. They didn't mention thefts or drugs
on purpose.

If I am issued a citation and pay that citation, that is an admission of guilt. Most citations are misdemeanors. So then, I'd have a misdemeanor on my record. So, generally, if the NFL bans players from any NFL related event based on that then yes, it's beyond ridiculous. Yes, you are right, they did mention gun and assault convictions, but again, if it's a misdemeanor conviction it still should be subjective.

I understand the NFL has a narrative that they want to follow and probably an agenda, but when you start to paint things with a broad brush it's not good. These young men shouldn't have doors shut in their lives because of a damn misdemeanor. At the very least, a case by case evaluation should be done and the facts put on the table.
 

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If I am issued a citation and pay that citation, that is an admission of guilt. Most citations are misdemeanors. So then, I'd have a misdemeanor on my record. So, generally, if the NFL bans players from any NFL related event based on that then yes, it's beyond ridiculous. Yes, you are right, they did mention gun and assault convictions, but again, if it's a misdemeanor conviction it still should be subjective.

I understand the NFL has a narrative that they want to follow and probably an agenda, but when you start to paint things with a broad brush it's not good. These young men shouldn't have doors shut in their lives because of a damn misdemeanor. At the very least, a case by case evaluation should be done and the facts put on the table.

Nope, if you start doing that then it will mean court cases and lawyers trying to get paid. This is pretty clear that as of today
you better stay out of violent or potential violent crimes no matter how petty if you desire to ply your wares in the NFL.
 

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Nope, if you start doing that then it will mean court cases and lawyers trying to get paid. This is pretty clear that as of today
you better stay out of violent or potential violent crimes no matter how petty if you desire to ply your wares in the NFL.

Well that's the game the NFL will probably play anyway with this new policy. So what's your point?
 
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