Bill bashing in vogue right now

[malbis030347]

it is amazing all the negativity being spewed about Bill by players and broadcasters right now.....oh, he had his faults for sure but no denying he laid a foundation all of us can be thankful for this year....
I would hope we make it to the SB with the players BP brought in so he will have a good legacy when he gets to the HOF.....this will also prove Wade is right when he says 'putting players in the best position to be successful is what it is all about'.......something maybe BP fell short on..

 

[Royal Laegotti]

it is amazing all the negativity being spewed about Bill by players and broadcasters right now.....oh, he had his faults for sure but no denying he laid a foundation all of us can be thankful for this year....
I would hope we make it to the SB with the players BP brought in so he will have a good legacy when he gets to the HOF.....this will also prove Wade is right when he says 'putting players in the best position to be successful is what it is all about'.......something maybe BP fell short on..

Looks like Bill and Jerry assembled a team of crybabies.:bang2:

 

[Vintage]

Its too justify the poor play of some of our players.

And if we fall off again this year, some will drum up the ol' "well, its the first year with Wade's system" excuse.

Fact of the matter is, we aren't as good as some think we are. Otherwise, we wouldn't have gone 9-7 last year and lost out in the first round of the playoffs.

 

[superpunk]

Looks like Bill and Jerry assembled a team of crybabies.

I know it's not your thing, but be fair.

It is only a handful of players doing the whining.

Granted, they are the ones the media gravitates to. Bill made them look like idiots for years, and now they'll take any anti-Bill angle they can find, even if they didn't have the stones to when he was actually....you know....here.

I'm tired of the Bill bashing for his coaching achievements while in Dallas. It's old, tired, played out, lazy, and just flat out weak-minded crap.

If we're gonna bash him for anything it should be his COMPLETELY unnecessary comments regarding Owens.

 

[Stash]

I know it's not your thing, but be fair.

It is only a handful of players doing the whining.

Granted, they are the ones the media gravitates to. Bill made them look like idiots for years, and now they'll take any anti-Bill angle they can find, even if they didn't have the stones to when he was actually....you know....here.

I'm tired of the Bill bashing for his coaching achievements while in Dallas. It's old, tired, played out, lazy, and just flat out weak-minded crap.

If we're gonna bash him for anything it should be his COMPLETELY unnecessary comments regarding Owens.

If it were only guys like Spears and Julius Jones who have not met expectations to this point, I might agree.

But when it's 'Parcells guys' like Jason Ferguson saying that the scheme was limiting and too conservative, I have to give credence to it possibly being true.

 

[iceberg]

Looks like Bill and Jerry assembled a team of crybabies.:bang2:

we have jjones and spears.

that's a "team"? we have 51 other players, uh, 50 if we just move ellis to the side, NOT whining that i know of and wanting to get out there and play. you often prone to seeing 1 or 2 "vocals voices" and letting it speak for *everyone*?

my stance on bill was annoyingly clear to most but to rag on him now that he's gone is pointless and for a large part, unfounded.

but feel free to keep banging your head - you don't seem at risk of hurting much. : )

 

[superpunk]

If it were only guys like Spears and Julius Jones who have not met expectations to this point, I might agree.

But when it's 'Parcells guys' like Jason Ferguson saying that the scheme was limiting and too conservative, I have to give credence to it possibly being true.

Ferguson didn't say either of those things. But I can see how this testament from a "Parcells guy" is going to become board-lore, just like Parcells mythical comments about not wanting Julius to improvise, lest he see the bench.

"We weren't that conservative when we were with the Jets," Ferguson said. "We would play two-gap maybe 10 times a game. Last season, we were in two-gap all the time. The (down linemen) were like circus elephants forming a wall and moving in one direction.

"I don't know why we stuck with that. Maybe (Parcells) couldn't trust the (defensive coaches) here to try other schemes. With the Jets, he had coaches he believed in more, I guess, guys like Bill Belichick, Romeo Crennel and Al Groh."

Nothing about being limiting...no complaints about bein "too conservative"...just observations on how our defense was different than what he expected, and a possible explanation. But if people are looking to crucify Bill, I'm sure this will just be construed as another rallying cry.

 

[iceberg]

If it were only guys like Spears and Julius Jones who have not met expectations to this point, I might agree.

But when it's 'Parcells guys' like Jason Ferguson saying that the scheme was limiting and too conservative, I have to give credence to it possibly being true.

i've not heard him say this but i think we all felt the D was being held back and could stand to be opened up some. could it? saying so isn't really saying "parcells is a mean mean man and was holding me back" unless you're on max-drama mode and you *want* to push it that far.

 

[smarta5150]

"We weren't that conservative when we were with the Jets," Ferguson said. "We would play two-gap maybe 10 times a game. Last season, we were in two-gap all the time. The (down linemen) were like circus elephants forming a wall and moving in one direction.

"I don't know why we stuck with that. Maybe (Parcells) couldn't trust the (defensive coaches) here to try other schemes. With the Jets, he had coaches he believed in more, I guess, guys like Bill Belichick, Romeo Crennel and Al Groh."



So Bill Parcells hasn't been the same since flying solo...

 

[iceberg]

"We weren't that conservative when we were with the Jets," Ferguson said. "We would play two-gap maybe 10 times a game. Last season, we were in two-gap all the time. The (down linemen) were like circus elephants forming a wall and moving in one direction.

"I don't know why we stuck with that. Maybe (Parcells) couldn't trust the (defensive coaches) here to try other schemes. With the Jets, he had coaches he believed in more, I guess, guys like Bill Belichick, Romeo Crennel and Al Groh."

So Bill Parcells hasn't been the same since flying solo...

not that uncommon. different sitatuations people will act differently. we all would but for parcells, it's a party foul.

 

[Stash]

Ferguson didn't say either of those things. But I can see how this testament from a "Parcells guy" is going to become board-lore, just like Parcells mythical comments about not wanting Julius to improvise, lest he see the bench.



Nothing about being limiting...no complaints about bein "too conservative"...just observations on how our defense was different than what he expected, and a possible explanation. But if people are looking to crucify Bill, I'm sure this will just be construed as another rallying cry.

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"We weren't that conservative when we were with the Jets," Ferguson said. "We would play two-gap maybe 10 times a game. Last season, we were in two-gap all the time. The (down linemen) were like circus elephants forming a wall and moving in one direction.

"I don't know why we stuck with that. Maybe (Parcells) couldn't trust the (defensive coaches) here to try other schemes. With the Jets, he had coaches he believed in more, I guess, guys like Bill Belichick, Romeo Crennel and Al Groh."

Wow!

I guess we can read the same thing and see two completely opposite things.

If that isn't calling the scheme too conservative, I don't know what is.

That's a Parcells guy openly questioning his former coach - plain and simple.

 

[iceberg]

Quote:
"We weren't that conservative when we were with the Jets," Ferguson said. "We would play two-gap maybe 10 times a game. Last season, we were in two-gap all the time. The (down linemen) were like circus elephants forming a wall and moving in one direction.

"I don't know why we stuck with that. Maybe (Parcells) couldn't trust the (defensive coaches) here to try other schemes. With the Jets, he had coaches he believed in more, I guess, guys like Bill Belichick, Romeo Crennel and Al Groh."

Wow!

I guess we can read the same thing and see two completely opposite things.

If that isn't calling the scheme too conservative, I don't know what is.

That's a Parcells guy openly questioning his former coach - plain and simple.

but he's not using it as an excuse for personal failure, or failure to meet expectations, now is he? he's also saying he doesn't know why it was different, only that it was.

you're reading too much into it.

 

[superpunk]

Quote:
"We weren't that conservative when we were with the Jets," Ferguson said. "We would play two-gap maybe 10 times a game. Last season, we were in two-gap all the time. The (down linemen) were like circus elephants forming a wall and moving in one direction.

"I don't know why we stuck with that. Maybe (Parcells) couldn't trust the (defensive coaches) here to try other schemes. With the Jets, he had coaches he believed in more, I guess, guys like Bill Belichick, Romeo Crennel and Al Groh."

Wow!

I guess we can read the same thing and see two completely opposite things.

If that isn't calling the scheme too conservative, I don't know what is.

That's a Parcells guy opening questioning his former coach - plain and simple.

No.

That's what you read into it - clearly because that's what you want to see. And if that's how it's going to be, there's not going to be any talking-sense to you, so I won't try. Nowhere in that piece did Ferguson say what you claim he said. You may believe that he intimated, implied, or suggested sucha thing, but I'm not playing the speculation game.

Ferguson said the defense was different than what they ran in New York, wasn't what he expected, and then he surmised why that might have been. Nothing else.

But see whatever you want to see.

 

[superpunk]

but he's not using it as an excuse for personal failure, or failure to meet expectations, now is he? he's also saying he doesn't know why it was different, only that it was.

you're reading too much into it.

Good call. This isn't a complaint, or an excuse, by Ferguson to make himself look better by tossing someone else under the bus. (See Julius, Spears, James and TO) It's an observation, and a diplomatic one.

Reading between the lines appears to be a fine art, here.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Bashing Big Bill has always been en vogue.

If Wade Phillips wins here, alot of it will have to do with what his predecessor did.

- Mike G.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Wow, I hadn't seen those quotes from Ferguson, stash. Good stuff.

The Xs and Os part of the game has never been Bill's forte, but he knows this stuff. That makes you wonder if he didn't want to play 2-gap all the time just to try to win "his way" and not Belichick's.

And IMO not all of this is "Bill Bashing". The new coach coming in has a very different philosophy than that of the old coach. Some of this is simply enthusiasm from the players at the idea of trying something different. What do we expect? The players to have a wake for the guy who's gone?

 

[iceberg]

Good call. This isn't a complaint, or an excuse, by Ferguson to make himself look better by tossing someone else under the bus. (See Julius, Spears, James and TO) It's an observation, and a diplomatic one.

Reading between the lines appears to be a fine art, here.

i think it happens a lot. people hear something and equate it to what they think the overall topic is vs. staying in a "neutral stance". if you have an agenda, it's even easier. i've had people pick out 1 word i said and while i can understand why people would ? it, they don't understand my flippant overall attitude.

oh well. nice to be on an agreeing side w/you. i'm sure i'll go to my own corner soon enough. : )

 

[Stash]

No.

That's what you read into it - clearly because that's what you want to see. And if that's how it's going to be, there's not going to be any talking-sense to you, so I won't try. Nowhere in that piece did Ferguson say what you claim he said. You may believe that he intimated, implied, or suggested sucha thing, but I'm not playing the speculation game.

Ferguson said the defense was different than what they ran in New York, wasn't what he expected, and then he surmised why that might have been. Nothing else.

But see whatever you want to see.

You do the same.

Nowhere in those quotes do I see Ferguson saying any of it was a good thing. And the 'circus elephants' comment sure as %^$# isn't some compliment!

This player is openly questioning why the team persisted in running a conservative scheme.

You want to defend Parcells?

Feel free.

And I'll feel free to criticize his ultra-conservative coaching too.

:toast2:

 

[dcfanatic]

Looks like Bill and Jerry assembled a team of crybabies.:bang2:

I don't care if Bill Parcells was putting them in the wrong spots, I don't care if Bill Parcells was calling the wrong plays and I don't care if Bill Parcells was too conservative on offense and defense...

These guys were still playing football for Petes sake. The more excuses they keep making the stupider they are gonna look if they suck next year.

The whole 'blame parcells' thing is really sad. I would like to see a bunch of players who are focused on winning games in the future, not crying about games lost in the past.

If this theme works all the way into training camp this team is in trouble. They need to start worrying about the things they need to do become better football players, not look for ways to hide all the flaws on some of these players.

Wade Phillips and Brian Stewart are going right along with this theme also as if they just won 5 Super Bowls together. They were a one and done team last season just like the Cowboys. That Chargers defense for all the sacks and what not did allow 20 or more points in 9 of it's 17 games last season. So it's not like he was dominating teams like the '85 Bears.

If all these guys keep making excuses and blaming Parcells they better come out on Sept. 9th against the Giants and show and prove. Because if they don't the local media in Dallas is gonna start the blame game right away and they will have plenty of quotes to work with when dissing this team.

If I was a defensive player who was just abused like these guys were last Decemeber I would not open my mouth to any reporters. I would keep my trap shut until sometime next season when I was playing better and that play proved the point that I was in a bad scheme.

Parcells is gone. Stop talking about the guy. Some of these vets need to get in a meeting and let guys like Spears, James and Julius know that crying about last season is not going to help them this season.

 

[Stash]

Bashing Big Bill has always been en vogue.

If Wade Phillips wins here, alot of it will have to do with what his predecessor did.

- Mike G.

You're absolutely right - Parcells left the team in a much better place than when he found it and brought some quality players here.

I just feel that his vanilla schemes did not allow for him or those players to take full advantage of their abilities.