Bill Parcells book: "Almost became Saints coach, almost traded them Tony Romo"

[Risen Star]

I see you get my point then.

This is also why I elevate Parcells higher than some others do. While some people like to discredit him for being a nomad, I think it's far more impressive to be able to take your act on the road and attempt to build from the ground floor once again and recreate what you had.

I think Bill Belichick is an outstanding coach who has had a historic run of success in New England, but he's never won a thing without possibly the greatest QB to ever play the game. He failed in Cleveland. He was failing in New England before Brady emerged. I'll always have some doubt whether he can recreate a Championship contender in another city starting over. With Parcells I have no doubt.

I just respect the hell out of him. I wish I could massage his shoulders right now.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

This is also why I elevate Parcells higher than some others do. While some people like to discredit him for being a nomad, I think it's far more impressive to be able to take your act on the road and attempt to build from the ground floor once again and recreate what you had.

I think Bill Belichick is an outstanding coach who has had a historic run of success in New England, but he's never won a thing without possibly the greatest QB to ever play the game. He failed in Cleveland. He was failing in New England before Brady emerged. I'll always have some doubt whether he can recreate a Championship contender in another city starting over. With Parcells I have no doubt.

I just respect the hell out of him. I wish I could massage his shoulders right now.

Ummmm. Ok?

 

[DFWJC]

There was a thread a few months ago where I mentioned that Payton had tried to trade for Romo.
I was told that I was naive to believe that lie and that people will believe anything....that I was just regurgitating false stuff.
Lol
Uh...ok.

 

[Doomsay]

In NY he also had Tom Coughlin and Bill Belichick on his staff.

He was smart enough to elevate / hire them along with guys like Payton, shouldn't that be a positive?

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

In NY he also had Tom Coughlin and Bill Belichick on his staff.

I'm amazed Parcells ever made it to being the Giant's HC, because obviously took credit for other's works as an assistant coach/coordinator.

/end sarcasm

 

[mahoneybill]

Does that mean to be a very good coach someone would have to do it with all scrub players and never get a lucky break on the field?

No. You know that's unrealistic.

My point is that sometimes the coaches are fortunate to have a player/players who are so dominant that it makes up for lesser teammates. Example Lawrence Taylor.

Also, every game has these the bounce or break that propels them to greatness and sometimes this happens in the biggest games of all.

Giants history as example:

Second Super Bowl Championship (1990 season) - sources Giants and Niners history.

They defeated the San Francisco 49ers, who were attempting to win the Super Bowl for an unprecedented third straight year, 15–13 at San Francisco and then defeated the Buffalo Bills 20–19 in Super Bowl XXV.

Playing with a back-up quarterback in Jeff Hostetler and a 33-year-old veteran running back in Ottis Anderson, the Giants convincingly defeated the Chicago Bears in the divisional playoff, 31–3, and won in dramatic, come-from-behind fashion over San Francisco, 15–13, in the NFC Championship on a last-second 42-yard field goal by Matt Bahr which was set up by a Roger Craig fumble caused by nose tackle Erik Howard. Super Bowl XXV proved equally exciting as the Giants used tough defense, and a ball-control and power-running Erhardt – Perkins style offense to stop the Buffalo Bills, 20–19, whose own last-second 47-yard field goal attempt by Scott Norwood missed wide right

 

[Gameover]

Parcells is the only coach in NFL history to take four teams to the playoffs, won two SBs with the Giants, took NE to a SB, and took the Jets to the CC game. Do you post stuff to attract attention or do you really have such disdain for people like Parcells and Marino?

Bill is a great football coach. Bill did a great job in both ny spots and in New England. Parcells time in dallas was a money grab!

Pebble and ed Werder can worship this guy, but if he doesn't get lucky with Tony Romo, his time in dallas would've been as useless as his time in Miami.

Dispute it pebble. His final 2 stops in the nfl were money grabs, just like this book.

#conning

Marino lost to Tony Eason @ his own crib.. Need I say more.

Parcells free agent signings:
Broke back Rivera - 30+ million
Anthony henry - 11 mil up front
The model LB -25 million couldn't play a lick
The big DT from the jets - 8 mil up front

Same intensity pebble. You'd crucify jones for that type idiocy. Don't act like your lord was gold here.#sameintensity

 

[Gameover]

Jerry didn't like walking on eggshells. Had to be large and in charge again.

Damn lie

When media and guys like you and pebble can't point to any real winning success, you fall back on 'Jerry lost power' or 'bill changed culture'.

No, bills time in dallas was much to do about nothing.

Thank God for Tony Romo. He's the reason the last 10 years haven't been nearly as bad as the woe is us crowd make it out to be

 

[tyke1doe]

The big bad BP wasn't the same HC in Dallas that he was in NY. He wouldn't have been in NO either. That's why the above quote makes me laugh.

I don't disagree with you. Bill wasn't the same person. I don't think he had the energy or fire to coach anymore. But I think he still had a vast knowledge about football, and that is what likely scared Loomis.

 

[tyke1doe]

Parcells is a very good coach, but like Carrol had some stud Defensive Players to help him along the way, in addition to wide right by Norwood / fumble by Niners in championship game that would have changed his history.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda ... DIDN'T!

 

[tyke1doe]

Damn lie

When media and guys like you and pebble can't point to any real winning success, you fall back on 'Jerry lost power' or 'bill changed culture'.

No, bills time in dallas was much to do about nothing.

Thank God for Tony Romo. He's the reason the last 10 years haven't been nearly as bad as the woe is us crowd make it out to be

Actually, Jerry said he didn't like walking on egg shells.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

No. You know that's unrealistic.

My point is that sometimes the coaches are fortunate to have a player/players who are so dominant that it makes up for lesser teammates. Example Lawrence Taylor.

I was being sarcastic to prove a point (not to be rude mind you) I think you are not giving enough credit to the rest of the Giant defense. That was a Bill Bilichick defense and regardless of what one might think personally of Bilichick or for that matter Parcells, their body of work has proven to me they both hands down are among the greatest coaches ever.

Also, every game has these the bounce or break that propels them to greatness and sometimes this happens in the biggest games of all.

But getting those breaks are just the nature of any sport and no team or player anywhere who has ever accomplished anything great hasn't had their share of lucky breaks as well. You have to be good to take advantage of those lucky breaks when they arrive and also create your own lucky breaks.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

This is also why I elevate Parcells higher than some others do. While some people like to discredit him for being a nomad, I think it's far more impressive to be able to take your act on the road and attempt to build from the ground floor once again and recreate what you had.

I think Bill Belichick is an outstanding coach who has had a historic run of success in New England, but he's never won a thing without possibly the greatest QB to ever play the game. He failed in Cleveland. He was failing in New England before Brady emerged. I'll always have some doubt whether he can recreate a Championship contender in another city starting over. With Parcells I have no doubt.

I just respect the hell out of him. I wish I could massage his shoulders right now.

I was with you up until the massage thing. I agree with the rest about Parcells however.

Belichick, meh, I don't rate him as the best ever but he's pretty darned good. I don't think it's all Brady though, I don't think the Pats get enough credit for playing good D. I mean, when I think of good defensive teams I think of Seattle, Baltimore, but not New England, but those guys are consistently good year in and year out. They don't usually give up many points. I have to give Belichick some credit there.

 

[Idgit]

Parcells is great. He knew exactly what he wanted and made good decisions quickly. He can overhaul a roster and get you from zero to competitive in no-time flat. And be entertaining while doing it. Like a lot of good coaches, getting over the hurdle to fielding a really elite team once you get competitive is another story. Part of it's having a great staff. Part is great players, and part of it is a little luck.

I never liked the 3-4 in Dallas, though. And Bill was way too conservative with that SEA playoff game plan, and it probably cost us at least one playoff win. I don't miss the days of Pepper Johnson at practice, either. Or the weird attachment to Rob Pettiti or to the sons of former players. But his press conferences were amazing, and the drama he brought along with him was always fun to watch. Just an all-around NFL personality and coaching icon. But he'll always be a Giant to the bone as far as I'm concerned.

 

[mahoneybill]

I was being sarcastic to prove a point (not to be rude mind you) I think you are not giving enough credit to the rest of the Giant defense. That was a Bill Bilichick defense and regardless of what one might think personally of Bilichick or for that matter Parcells, their body of work has proven to me they both hands down are among the greatest coaches ever.



But getting those breaks are just the nature of any sport and no team or player anywhere who has ever accomplished anything great hasn't had their share of lucky breaks as well. You have to be good to take advantage of those lucky breaks when they arrive and also create your own lucky breaks.

Good exchange. I respect Parcells and Belicheck for their work with the Giants, and for the many teams afterwards. Neither are saints, but come game day they know/knew how to get the best out of their teams.

 

[tyke1doe]

Parcells is great. He knew exactly what he wanted and made good decisions quickly. He can overhaul a roster and get you from zero to competitive in no-time flat. And be entertaining while doing it. Like a lot of good coaches, getting over the hurdle to fielding a really elite team once you get competitive is another story. Part of it's having a great staff. Part is great players, and part of it is a little luck.

I never liked the 3-4 in Dallas, though. And Bill was way too conservative with that SEA playoff game plan, and it probably cost us at least one playoff win. I don't miss the days of Pepper Johnson at practice, either. Or the weird attachment to Rob Pettiti or to the sons of former players. But his press conferences were amazing, and the drama he brought along with him was always fun to watch. Just an all-around NFL personality and coaching icon. But he'll always be a Giant to the bone as far as I'm concerned.

 

[jobberone]

Bill is a great football coach. Bill did a great job in both ny spots and in New England. Parcells time in dallas was a money grab!

Pebble and ed Werder can worship this guy, but if he doesn't get lucky with Tony Romo, his time in dallas would've been as useless as his time in Miami.

Dispute it pebble. His final 2 stops in the nfl were money grabs, just like this book.

#conning

Marino lost to Tony Eason @ his own crib.. Need I say more.

Parcells free agent signings:
Broke back Rivera - 30+ million
Anthony henry - 11 mil up front
The model LB -25 million couldn't play a lick
The big DT from the jets - 8 mil up front

Same intensity pebble. You'd crucify jones for that type idiocy. Don't act like your lord was gold here.#sameintensity

First of all, I don't know what calling a person a pebble is. But labeling people or name calling is not allowed here.

Parcells is known for taking programs on the down and out and turning them around. You can focus on one player but he put in his stamp of 'football' that is still felt around here. He turned the Jets around. NE, too. He had less success in Miami but if memory serves he wasn't a coach there.

Everyone else thinks he's a great coach. If you do as well then great. You can try to diminish his import to the NFL by nitpicking IF this and IF that all you want. You're on a very sparsely populated island my friend.

 

[MikeT22]

Damn lie

When media and guys like you and pebble can't point to any real winning success, you fall back on 'Jerry lost power' or 'bill changed culture'.

No, bills time in dallas was much to do about nothing.

Thank God for Tony Romo. He's the reason the last 10 years haven't been nearly as bad as the woe is us crowd make it out to be

Yep. Thank God for an undrafted free agent QB because heaven knows Jerry couldn't draft his way out of a paper bag. At least Parcells got us out of the 5-11 muck and back to credibility. Unfortunately Jerry went with softy Wade and squandered what was being built.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Damn lie

When media and guys like you and pebble can't point to any real winning success, you fall back on 'Jerry lost power' or 'bill changed culture'.

No, bills time in dallas was much to do about nothing.

Thank God for Tony Romo. He's the reason the last 10 years haven't been nearly as bad as the woe is us crowd make it out to be

How is it a lie when Jerry said it himself? Like Jimmy, Bill was to big a personality for Jerry. That's one great thing about JG, he's young enough to
take a back seat to Jerry (lack of better words) and still smart enough to ignore what he says.

 

[Risen Star]

That was nonsense. Romo was a wide eyed rookie starter with not even a full season starting under his belt. He was a mistake waiting to happen in that game and Parcells knew it.