Bill Parcells is expected to try to trade the Dolphins' No. 1 pick.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa!!!!

According to Parcells and his contract, the GM will have final say over personel so why is it that Parcells can have this idea to trade the #1 pick. Is that not a decision for the person with the final say. Suppose the GM wants DMac or Dorsey? If this is true, then it is proof that Parcells is making the personel decisions and JJ should point this out to the league. I'm confident JJ will fight the league over this issue and get some form of compensation although I'm still not convinced Ireland would even want to leave Dallas.
 

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Chocolate Lab;1861310 said:
But what does it matter what Parcells thinks? His GM will be making all the decisions anyway. ;)

that is what I thought....how can a non GM be doing anything with the picks?
 

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Chocolate Lab;1861310 said:
But what does it matter what Parcells thinks? His GM will be making all the decisions anyway. ;)


Yup, exactly..........:rolleyes:

Parcells is going to find every loop hole he can to try and get Ireland even if it means he flat out lies to everyone in the league.
 

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ringmaster;1861329 said:
What I don't get why is it such a forgone conclusion to some fans, and media people that Ireland, and Garrett's departures are etched in stone after the season.

No one really knows what is going to happen regardless of what some talking head, or fan says.

Like alot of the "stuff" put out there...

its either media generated/fabricated or bulleting board talk.

Gotta feed the machine :D
 

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There is going to be alot of people "walking on egg shells" down there in Miami! We will probably hear the crackling way out here in the West. In fact, I think I'm hearing those cracklings already?

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ThreeSportStar80;1861438 said:
I doubt Jerry will trade away the ranch for the 1st pick in 2008...


Your posts are starting to sound like CrazyCowboy's posts!


:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
 

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YoMick;1861430 said:
Like alot of the "stuff" put out there...

its either media generated/fabricated or bulleting board talk.

Gotta feed the machine :D
The phrase: "Throw poo at a wall and see what sticks." comes to mind.
 

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big dog cowboy;1861263 said:
I would too if I was him.

It's a no-brainer for Parcells. He almost has no choice but to trade down with all the holes Miami has.

There is NO WAY he takes the first player in the draft and I don't blame him once bit.
 

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Norm was saying yesterday that it would take Both of this years #1's, next years #1 and a couple of young players like Burnett and Free, way to high a price for me for a back like McFadden who may have a shelf life of 5 or 6 years.
 

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mickgreen58;1861274 said:
Makes sense.

I wonder what he does about the QB position?

I wonder if he will be more patient and draft one since he doesn't have to coach him?

If I am rebuilding a franchise, that is the first thing I try to shore up.

Parcells has always preferred the veteran. I suspect he's going to sign a free agent and build around that guy.
 

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AmishCowboy;1861463 said:
Norm was saying yesterday that it would take Both of this years #1's, next years #1 and a couple of young players like Burnett and Free, way to high a price for me for a back like McFadden who may have a shelf life of 5 or 6 years.

Exactly!

Not to mention we already have a PRO BOWL RB on the team!

Plus, we really need to add one more talented CB and eventual number 1 WR on the roster via the Draft, unless we do it via FA.

We're set up perfectly to do this.
 

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Sarge;1861451 said:
It's a no-brainer for Parcells. He almost has no choice but to trade down with all the holes Miami has.

There is NO WAY he takes the first player in the draft and I don't blame him once bit.

I'm sure there is no way that Parcells wants to take the first player in the draft, but it is possible that he won't find a viable trading partner.

In this draft, the Dolphins #1 likely isn't the most attractive pick in the first round. If he can't find a trading partner, Parcells is most likely to spend the choice on a lineman. ... and so teams looking to move up for "skill position players" would be better off dealing for the #2 pick.

Jake Long might give the Dolphins the kind of long term value that Parcells would want from the overall pick. Put Long on a line with Vernon Carey ... and you just might be on the way to something special.
 

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ZeroClub;1861482 said:
I'm sure there is no way that Parcells wants to take the first player in the draft, but it is possible that he won't find a viable trading partner.

In this draft, the Dolphins #1 likely isn't the most attractive pick in the first round. If he can't find a trading partner, Parcells is most likely to spend the choice on a lineman. ... and so teams looking to move up for "skill position players" would be better off dealing for the #2 pick.

Jake Long might give the Dolphins the kind of long term value that Parcells would want from the overall pick. Put Long on a line with Vernon Carey ... and you just might be on the way to something special.

I agree with everything you've said - but if I had to guess right now, I'd bet BP finds a trading partner and grabs more picks even if it flows into 2009.

If no partners, I agree Jake Long would most likely be his pick, as it should be.
 

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The parcells formula for miami(or any rebuild project really). He has done it several times and it works. I think miami will bear witness as well:

year 1:
Cut any super-high salary players

cut any players smaller than nfl average or not fitting typical body shape(parcells is big on size and shape)

with the high picks of your sorry team, trade down for as many possible 2nd and 3rd round picks as you can

Draft in this order:
1st round(if a pick is left)-LB or DE(easiest position to evaluate for non-bust in 1st round

2nd round-Several OLinemen, bigger the better.

3rd round-several dlinemen or LBs

4th round and lower-several project qbs, several project cbs

Bring in serviceable veteran quarterback who can make all throws and handoffs

bring in a veteran mid-level wide receiver

convert a long lean OT from college to a blocking tight end

camp and preseason, churn the roster and practice squad trying out as many players from other teams as possible.

season 1: max protect conservative offense and vanilla defense

season 1: 7-9

year 2:
trade down in draft again, but not as much
1st round: another LB, DE, or possibly RB
2nd round: more OL
3rd round: RB
4th and lower rounds: several project WR and CB

depending on O-line draft prospects, might necessitate signing big mid-level Guard or tackle to solidify line

camp and preseason continue working qb prospects coaxing out intangibles

figure out best dline rotation scheme

sign a veteran safety to help defensive calls

sign a practice squad offensive veteran from each of your first four opponents to spy and eke out a few wins

season2: 9-7

year 3:
draft: 1st round: Dline or Oline
2nd round:RB
3rd round:LB or TE
4th and lower: CB and WR prospects

drop off a few of the old parcells guys and rotate some of the new talent into those skill positions

camp and preseason: add new schemes suiting rotated in personnel

coach hard on pass blocking especially for RBs and TEs

open up passing game playbook

solidify Dline rotation(should have at least two star level LBs or DEs by now)

season 3: over power teams with size and physicality playing conservative still but much more passing

season 3: 11-5 playoffs




Basically parcells builds the oline first then two dlines, puts in veterans at skill positions until drafted talent can be trusted, and any stubborn issues trade or sign from outside. It drives fans nuts, but CB, WR, RB are almost inconsequential to the parcells plan. He just gathers a bunch of low rounders up and finds a few who wil do OK.
 

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mickgreen58;1861274 said:
Makes sense.

I wonder what he does about the QB position?

I wonder if he will be more patient and draft one since he doesn't have to coach him?

If I am rebuilding a franchise, that is the first thing I try to shore up.

Cleveland's Anderson? He will be a free agent.

:)
 

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we can get felix jones or ray rice with our pick.and a corner. i wouldnt trade anything.
 

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juckie;1861709 said:
we can get felix jones or ray rice with our pick.and a corner. i wouldnt trade anything.

felix jones is staying in school.
 

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ZeroClub;1861482 said:
I'm sure there is no way that Parcells wants to take the first player in the draft, but it is possible that he won't find a viable trading partner.

In this draft, the Dolphins #1 likely isn't the most attractive pick in the first round. If he can't find a trading partner, Parcells is most likely to spend the choice on a lineman. ... and so teams looking to move up for "skill position players" would be better off dealing for the #2 pick.

Jake Long might give the Dolphins the kind of long term value that Parcells would want from the overall pick. Put Long on a line with Vernon Carey ... and you just might be on the way to something special.

there is no way parcells will take an OL with the 1st pick of the draft.
 

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iceberg;1861788 said:
there is no way parcells will take an OL with the 1st pick of the draft.

I can see him taking Long, but I really think he will do everything in his power to trade down.
 
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