Billy Cundiff. Support him or not.

[Wolverine]

I see way to much blame going to Billy Cundiff. In that Denver game so many other things went wrong it is just lame to say Cundiff cost us the game. I guess I will go over AGAIN just some of the other things that also are to blame.

Our OL did a horrible job of opening holes for our running game. Our running game was nothing. THe OL also did a horrible job of protecting Bledsoe. Maybe if they did their job we win.

Terry Glenn dropped some key passes in the game. Maybe if he catches those we win the game.

Drew Bledsoe threw 2 INTs. One was returned for a TD that gave Denver 7 points. Maybe if Bledsoe did not give Denver 7 points we win the game. Maybe if on the 2nd INT Bledsoe completes the pass or throws it away we win the game.

Or maybe if T-New catches that on INT right to him we win the game.

There is just to many things that went down to say Cundiff cost us the game.


Last game he was a hero in here. He went 2-2 hitting a 56 yarder. Get me a list of all the Kickers who have hit a 56 yarder. Yeah I expect it to be a kinda short list.

Until we find a truly BETTER kicker the Cundiff I back the man. I guess if he goes 3-3 and nails 2 50+ yarders some of you wanting him gone will be saying he is the best Kicker in the NFL.

After seeing what garbage we had in Cortez I will back Cundiff till we get a kicker who is PROVEN BETTER.

I have said what I am gonna say and if some of you can not see that there were all kinds of other things that cost us the game then you are hopeless.

 

[Alexander]

I see way to much blame going to Billy Cundiff. In that Denver game so many other things went wrong it is just lame to say Cundiff cost us the game. I guess I will go over AGAIN just some of the other things that also are to blame.

Our OL did a horrible job of opening holes for our running game. Our running game was nothing. THe OL also did a horrible job of protecting Bledsoe. Maybe if they did their job we win.

Terry Glenn dropped some key passes in the game. Maybe if he catches those we win the game.

Drew Bledsoe threw 2 INTs. One was returned for a TD that gave Denver 7 points. Maybe if Bledsoe did not give Denver 7 points we win the game. Maybe if on the 2nd INT Bledsoe completes the pass or throws it away we win the game.

Or maybe if T-New catches that on INT right to him we win the game.

There is just to many things that went down to say Cundiff cost us the game.


Last game he was a hero in here. He went 2-2 hitting a 56 yarder. Get me a list of all the Kickers who have hit a 56 yarder. Yeah I expect it to be a kinda short list.

Until we find a truly BETTER kicker the Cundiff I back the man. I guess if he goes 3-3 and nails 2 50+ yarders some of you wanting him gone will be saying he is the best Kicker in the NFL.

After seeing what garbage we had in Cortez I will back Cundiff till we get a kicker who is PROVEN BETTER.

I have said what I am gonna say and if some of you can not see that there were all kinds of other things that cost us the game then you are hopeless.

When it comes down to the scoreboard and you want to hang the goat horns on someone, there is not a player more worthy than Cundiff.

Even with all the other struggles you mentioned, we had the game tied.

His sole job was to kick the ball through the uprights and he failed.

And bringing up Cortez does not help your campaign as what he did Thursday was exactly what Cortez did against Washington and Seattle: fail to do the one main thing he is paid to do.

 

[Wolverine]

When it comes down to the scoreboard and you want to hang the goat horns on someone, there is not a player more worthy than Cundiff.

Even with all the other struggles you mentioned, we had the game tied.

His sole job was to kick the ball through the uprights and he failed.

And bringing up Cortez does not help your campaign as what he did Thursday was exactly what Cortez did against Washington and Seattle: fail to do the one main thing he is paid to do.

Since the game went into OT. How about we blame the defense for giving up the big run to Dayne. The big run that gave them a real easy FG to make. If our D would have stopped him then maybe we get the ball back and we win the game.

See. The blame game for this game could go on forever. Give me time maybe I can find a way to blame Zimmer for this loss.

 

[Doomsday]

If he missed that kick earlier in the game it would be no big deal, but the bottomline is when the game is on the line late in the 4th quarter he has to step up. Realisticly that is what they are paying him to do. Good kickers come through in the clutch, Cowboy kickers hit meaningless 56 yard kicks and miss game changing chip shots in the 4th quarter.

 

[Mansta54]

Since the game went into OT. How about we blame the defense for giving up the big run to Dayne. The big run that gave them a real easy FG to make. If our D would have stopped him then maybe we get the ball back and we win the game.

See. The blame game for this game could go on forever. Give me time maybe I can find a way to blame Zimmer for this loss.

The game shouldn't have gone into OT, Cundiff has to make that kick. Its just that simple and yes he should be blamed. Thats his JOB and he failed..PERIOD!!

 

[parchy]

The game shouldn't have gone into OT, Cundiff has to make that kick. Its just that simple and yes he should be blamed. Thats his JOB and he failed..PERIOD!!

I don't understand this. Yes, Cundiff failed at what he did, but come on... there was still plenty of time left on the clock, and there are way too many variables in the sport to say one way or the other that Cundiff blew the game.

 

[Alexander]

Since the game went into OT. How about we blame the defense for giving up the big run to Dayne. The big run that gave them a real easy FG to make. If our D would have stopped him then maybe we get the ball back and we win the game.

I am sure you could blame Ferguson or Keith Davis for Dayne's run.

But the game may never have reached OT had we had a lead. That would have forced more desperation from Plummer and we showed we could handle that.

 

[Alexander]

I don't understand this. Yes, Cundiff failed at what he did, but come on... there was still plenty of time left on the clock, and there are way too many variables in the sport to say one way or the other that Cundiff blew the game.

He makes that kick, it changes everything.

I have no doubt in my mind the entire team groaned after that miss and said "here we go again".

Just like Seattle and Washington.

Missed FGs in pressure situations can deflate the entire team.

 

[parchy]

I am sure you could blame Ferguson or Keith Davis for Dayne's run.

But the game may never have reached OT had we had a lead. That would have forced more desperation from Plummer and we showed we could handle that.

You don't know that though. Nobody does. It's pointless to sit here and point fingers (not saying you are, but do you see what I'm saying?) when one of a million different things could have happened following that kick had it gone through.

 

[Alexander]

You don't know that though. Nobody does. It's pointless to sit here and point fingers (not saying you are, but do you see what I'm saying?) when one of a million different things could have happened following that kick had it gone through.

Hey, you have to point the finger somewhere. It is human nature.

And if you are going to point, there is nowhere better than in Cundiff's direction. That's my point.

 

[parchy]

Hey, you have to point the finger somewhere. It is human nature.

And if you are going to point, there is nowhere better than in Cundiff's direction. That's my point.

Hard to disagree there. I still think it's moot/stupid to do so though.

 

[Reality]

When it comes down to the scoreboard and you want to hang the goat horns on someone, there is not a player more worthy than Cundiff.

Even with all the other struggles you mentioned, we had the game tied.

His sole job was to kick the ball through the uprights and he failed.

And bringing up Cortez does not help your campaign as what he did Thursday was exactly what Cortez did against Washington and Seattle: fail to do the one main thing he is paid to do.

So you don't consider Bledsoe gift wrapping 7 points for Denver to be a bigger factor in the loss than a 3 point field goal miss?

 

[Reality]

The game shouldn't have gone into OT, Cundiff has to make that kick. Its just that simple and yes he should be blamed. Thats his JOB and he failed..PERIOD!!

And if he had made it, do you think Denver would have played so cautiously afterwards? Do you think they would have punted the ball on fourth down with less than 2 minutes to go in the 4th quarter if they were behind knowing they wouldn't get it bakc?

 

[Alexander]

So you don't consider Bledsoe gift wrapping 7 points for Denver to be a bigger factor in the loss than a 3 point field goal miss?

Being that we tied the game and negated that miscue, no.

The timing of what Cundiff did is the issue here. Not the raw points.

 

[Alexander]

And if he had made it, do you think Denver would have played so cautiously afterwards? Do you think they would have punted the ball on fourth down with less than 2 minutes to go in the 4th quarter if they were behind knowing they wouldn't get it bakc?

They could also have thrown the ball more and as we showed in the second half, we were prepared to handle.

 

[Mansta54]

It's simple, Cundiff HAS TO MAKE THAT KICK...

 

[Reality]

Being that we tied the game and negated that miscue, no.

The timing of what Cundiff did is the issue here. Not the raw points.

So, what you are really saying is that the only play that matters is the last one that yields points or misses out on points in a game? So, by that logic, Bledsoe is the only reason the Cowboys lost to the Seahawks .. the other plays didn't matter. Roy Williams is the ONLY reason the Cowboys beat the Eagles .. the other two touchdowns they scored didn't matter.

I'm sorry, but it's this kind of narrow-minded thinking that leads people to believe a bad call by the referees at the end of the game decides is to blame when a team loses. Nevermind the fact that the team had 60 minutes of actual game time to score more points or give up fewer points.

I'm not a Cundiff fan nor am I a Bledsoe hater. I am proud of the team for playing what I consider the second best team in the league in a tight game that took overtime for them to win. There are a LOT of what-if's from that game that would have made the Cundiff miss a non-issue and it's because of that I will not blame him for the loss. Should he have made the kick? Absolutely!! Is he to blame for the loss? Of course, along with Bledsoe, Newman (great game, just missed that sure touchdown on the interception), the offensive line as a whole, Terry Glenn dropping that pass, the penalty on the last punt by Denver, and many more if I wanted to take the time to go back over it.

I'm sorry but any team that relies on kickers to win games is just asking to lose a game. That's my biggest complaint this season of Parcells is that he plays for field goals instead of touchdowns in close games, especially in the fourth quarter.

I blame this loss on the team as a whole but I applaud them for outplaying Denver most of the game. This was a major test and while they failed to get the win, they once again proved they can play with any team in the league.

So, while everyone continues to want to blame a single player for the loss, I'll choose to look at it for what it was .. a loss to the second best team in the league who is a non-conference and non-division opponent that only counts as a single loss when the season ends rather than in any tie-breaking formulas.

.. and this is the last I will say on this dead horse topic ..

-Reality

 

[kojak]

I see way to much blame going to Billy Cundiff. In that Denver game so many other things went wrong it is just lame to say Cundiff cost us the game. I guess I will go over AGAIN just some of the other things that also are to blame.

Our OL did a horrible job of opening holes for our running game. Our running game was nothing. THe OL also did a horrible job of protecting Bledsoe. Maybe if they did their job we win.

Terry Glenn dropped some key passes in the game. Maybe if he catches those we win the game.

Drew Bledsoe threw 2 INTs. One was returned for a TD that gave Denver 7 points. Maybe if Bledsoe did not give Denver 7 points we win the game. Maybe if on the 2nd INT Bledsoe completes the pass or throws it away we win the game.

Or maybe if T-New catches that on INT right to him we win the game.

There is just to many things that went down to say Cundiff cost us the game.


Last game he was a hero in here. He went 2-2 hitting a 56 yarder. Get me a list of all the Kickers who have hit a 56 yarder. Yeah I expect it to be a kinda short list.

Until we find a truly BETTER kicker the Cundiff I back the man. I guess if he goes 3-3 and nails 2 50+ yarders some of you wanting him gone will be saying he is the best Kicker in the NFL.

After seeing what garbage we had in Cortez I will back Cundiff till we get a kicker who is PROVEN BETTER.

I have said what I am gonna say and if some of you can not see that there were all kinds of other things that cost us the game then you are hopeless.

I can't put all of the blame on Cundiff. It does take a team effort. But that FG was huge. And they seem to always come back and bite you in the arse.

 

[Alexander]

So, what you are really saying is that the only play that matters is the last one that yields points or misses out on points in a game? So, by that logic, Bledsoe is the only reason the Cowboys lost to the Seahawks .. the other plays didn't matter. Roy Williams is the ONLY reason the Cowboys beat the Eagles .. the other two touchdowns they scored didn't matter.

Not at all.

You look at the game in it's totality.

Only a very stupid person would blame Bledsoe exclusively for the Seattle loss. We missed plenty of opportunities in that game. As for your Roy Williams reference, the team made plays to put him in that position. And if he dropped the gift interception, yes, you could consider him culpable.

I'm sorry, but it's this kind of narrow-minded thinking that leads people to believe a bad call by the referees at the end of the game decides is to blame when a team loses. Nevermind the fact that the team had 60 minutes of actual game time to score more points or give up fewer points.

Not even close. Execution for the player is simple.

Cundiff has one role, at most two. Kick the ball through the uprights when we need a FG or extra point and kickoff deep enough to keep the field position manageable.

He did neither. His kickoff in overtime was terrible as well.

We resigned him because we expected that he would be able to make the easy kicks inside 40 yards, unlike Cortez and presumeably unlike Suisham. Listen to Coach Parcells' response to the question in his postgame comments. He expected that Cundiff could do it.

He betrayed that trust.

I'm not a Cundiff fan nor am I a Bledsoe hater. I am proud of the team for playing what I consider the second best team in the league in a tight game that took overtime for them to win. There are a LOT of what-if's from that game that would have made the Cundiff miss a non-issue and it's because of that I will not blame him for the loss. Should he have made the kick? Absolutely!! Is he to blame for the loss? Of course, along with Bledsoe, Newman (great game, just missed that sure touchdown on the interception), the offensive line as a whole, Terry Glenn dropping that pass, the penalty on the last punt by Denver, and many more if I wanted to take the time to go back over it.

You can add Bledsoe back into the mix for audibling out of the run on 3rd down which made the kick necessary.

I'm sorry but any team that relies on kickers to win games is just asking to lose a game. That's my biggest complaint this season of Parcells is that he plays for field goals instead of touchdowns in close games, especially in the fourth quarter.

I won't argue here. But Coach Parcells expects the kickers to do their job, which is kick the FG.

I won't apologize for them if they cannot do it. Of any player on the team, this one player has direct responsibility for their actions more than any other. And when they fail, it is hard for me to use the "team game" concept to fall back on.

 

[DoomsDayD]

When it comes down to the scoreboard and you want to hang the goat horns on someone, there is not a player more worthy than Cundiff.

Even with all the other struggles you mentioned, we had the game tied.

His sole job was to kick the ball through the uprights and he failed.

And bringing up Cortez does not help your campaign as what he did Thursday was exactly what Cortez did against Washington and Seattle: fail to do the one main thing he is paid to do.

I dont care how bad we played,at the time he kicked that ball we were tied and his sole job right there was to put us ahead and probably win the game. Sorry but he wouldnt be back in uniform again for me.