Biofuels being grown in the desert… with saltwater

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Biofuels being grown in the desert… with saltwater
While we are waiting for Fusion to be perfected, there could be another untapped fuel resource much closer to being ready. Darrin L. Morgan, Director Sustainable
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Aviation Fuels and Environmental Strategy at Boeing, reveals that researchers at the Masdar Institute in Abu Dhabi, funded by Boeing, Honeywell and Etihad Airways, may have achieved “the biggest breakthrough in biofuels ever”.

Alarmed by the poor quality of fuel made from shale oil and tar sands and frustrated by the blunt refusal of oil companies to provide fuel of better quality, Boeing and its partners have over the past 4 years funded research into alternative fuels that has led to spectacular results. They found a class of plants that can grow in desertson salt water and has superb biomass potential.

Nobody knew this”, says Morgan. “It is a huge discovery. A game-changer for the biofuels market.

These plants, known as halophytes, are adapted to growing in arid conditions on saltwater, and can be readily turned into sugars, which in turn can be converted into high-quality biofuel usable in today’s engines. Deserts have always had the space on which to potentially grow biofuels, but the lack of freshwater in these regions prevented the agriculture being possible. These new plants could mean that huge stretches of currently barren coastline could be converted into fuel-producing areas, without using up arable land or grain crops which would otherwise be used for food. This truly could change world economies.

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This is actually a big deal. Put this in central Australia and/or the Sahara and you eat a lot of carbon and grow a lot of fuel. Central cooling, too.
 

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This is actually a big deal. Put this in central Australia and/or the Sahara and you eat a lot of carbon and grow a lot of fuel. Central cooling, too.

Is there any money in that (initially;)): Would current interests want to compete with a plant that derives the same results as all that expensive technology?:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car?

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Just playing Devil's Advocate; that new found source of biotechnology/fuel has infinite potential.
 

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Is there any money in that (initially;)): Would current interests want to compete with a plant that derives the same results as all that expensive technology?:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car?

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Just playing Devil's Advocate; that new found source of biotechnology/fuel has infinite potential.

The problem is getting salt water into the desert. Not even sure how they want to do that. My guess would be a series of pipelines. Then you have to build plants to process the product into sugar then biofuel. That's outside any knowledge I have. Maybe some engineers and such could comment. It won't happen overnight and I'm not certain it would happen it our arid land here in the US. And we don't want that to turn into a political question.
 

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The problem is getting salt water into the desert. Not even sure how they want to do that. My guess would be a series of pipelines. Then you have to build plants to process the product into sugar then biofuel. That's outside any knowledge I have. Maybe some engineers and such could comment. It won't happen overnight and I'm not certain it would happen it our arid land here in the US. And we don't want that to turn into a political question.

They would build them on arid coasts so just minimal pipeline needed.
 

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Logistically I don't think it would be too difficult to get seawater into Nevada and Arizona, but yeah I see the problems on both sides for getting through bureaucracy.
 

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Depending on volume required they could potentially build this anywhere with the right climate and just add the salt.

They'd have to be able to secure enough water which may not be possible.

Be a huge supply potential provided the yield per acre was sufficient.

I wonder how tolerant the plants are to the cold. Deserts get pretty cold during the nights. If the plant was pretty resistant to cold you could potentially set some fields up in southern Utah and tap into the Great Salt Lake. I think they regulate it's level as it is by pumping water into surrounding areas to evaporate.

It'd be a long stretch but you may be able to carry it further south.
 

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We need to find a way to economically create heavier alcohols to add to our fuel. Ethanol is based on the 2 carbon ethane. We need alcohols based on 4 carbons(butane) or more. The higher the carbon the more BTU's it contains which leads to better gas mileage.
 

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I wonder how much Sodium from the dirt in the desert there actually is. Considering there used to be oceans over the deserts, I would imagine that there should be a LOT of NaCl in that area that would make transporting the salt water not as big an issue.
 

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yawn. We keep hearing every year about so called breakthroughs. And every year they fade away.
 

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yawn. We keep hearing every year about so called breakthroughs. And every year they fade away.
Yea, I think it probably stems from a combination of the initial discovery being overstated and problems getting through all of the red tape and acquiring proper funding.
 

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This won't go away but it will take some time to get it going. My guess is it will not get off the ground here but for Africa this could be a very big deal. There the problem will be to get the money to right people and not have most of it stolen via corruption.
 

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I'm interested in the politics of this subject and a lot more but this is not the forum for it.
 

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I say anything that can be used to make bio-fuels other than corn would be great. Most all of the ethanol currently produced is coming from corn. Corn is used in too many things from high fructose corn syrup to livestock feed so using to make fuel drives the cost up which affect the cost of other food items. Using a principle food item to produce fuel is not the best idea to me not to mention how much water it takes to produce ethanol which taxes the aquifers. Also as I stated earlier in the thread, ethanol based off of the two carbon (ethane) does not have as many BTU's as regular gasoline so we get worse fuel mileage. The next push for bio-fuels will be for bio-jet fuel. I am not sure I want to fly on a plane with bio-jet because if any gets through that contains FAME(Fatty Acid Methyl Esters), it will cause jet engine fouling.
 

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Yea, I think it probably stems from a combination of the initial discovery being overstated and problems getting through all of the red tape and acquiring proper funding.

more like the so called great breakthrough was never all that great
 

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this is just ethanol...the same thing henry ford ran his first vehicle on...more ways to get ethanol, the better. i prefer algae ethanol personally...but more is always better
 
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