Blaming the right people

[YosemiteSam]

That's like saying Syphills is better than Ebola.

That reminds me of the great Paul Rodriguez as Barney in Whoopee Boys

I wanted to thank you for only giving me the clap. These days it's refreshing to meet a girl with curable diseases.

 

[TimHortons]

Yup the injury and suspensions are hurting right now. That's why we have captains and we are sorely missing them right now. If only Bailey could rally the guys up... I think it'll light a fire. Tell them get it to at least the 30 and it's automatic. That's the only part of our team I have any faith in right now.

Bailey is probably the best kicker in the league. I remember the few years where we couldn't find a kicker, with Vanderjagt, Folk, and whoever else, where you had to hold your breath every time they attempted a FG. Having a kicker that's pretty much automatic is just a load off the mind (that Ravens game a couple years ago not withstanding )

 

[TimHortons]

I don't know how or why he's stayed on this roster for so long.

Heath is solid on Special Teams, that's why

 

[LandryFan]

Bailey is probably the best kicker in the league. I remember the few years where we couldn't find a kicker, with Vanderjagt, Folk, and whoever else, where you had to hold your breath every time they attempted a FG. Having a kicker that's pretty much automatic is just a load off the mind (that Ravens game a couple years ago not withstanding )

Folk was actually a good kicker for us until his last season here when he finally got released. I believe he was somewhere around 88% his first couple of years. The Buffalo game almost catapulted him to cult status when he made back-to-back 53 yarders for the win. But your point is well taken...Bailey is a breath of fresh air when it comes to worrying about FG's.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Heath is solid on Special Teams, that's why

There's many people that we could bring in that would be "solid on special teams" and actually be able to provide some help at his actual position.

 

[TimHortons]

There's many people that we could bring in that would be "solid on special teams" and actually be able to provide some help at his actual position.

Like who? Are there a bunch of quality safeties walking around on the street? With Wilcox and Church back there I'm sure the front office would have brought in anyone who could play. Heath is a crap safety, yes, and maybe you could sign someone off the street but they're going to be crap too and Heath already contributes a bunch on ST

 

[JoeKing]

As decimated as the Cowboys are there comes a point were the replacement players can no longer take up the slack. "Next man up" falls on deaf ears. Coaching can't fix it. The fans turning on each other... they are the only thing about the Cowboys that are failing more.

 

[DFWJC]

Having 12 men on the field to give them the FG instead of a punt WAS frustrating.

 

[CaptainCreed]

I see a lot of people saying Garrett, Weeden are to blame for the loss??? Dude, Garrett is playing with 2nd stringers across the board at this point. 2nd stringers in N.O. in a must win primetime game. Good luck. He's got a rookie LB defending CJ Spiller on a wheel route, 1 on 1. Weeded didn't throw picks and had a game tying drive. I don't get it. I know we're all pissed. But man. Blame the injuries. Plain and simple. That's all this is. It's SO bad, that we may not win until we get players back. Do people just not feel blaming injuries incapsulates things enough? You CAN'T blame injuries when we go into Philly and we're missing just Dez. You CAN totally blame injuries when by the 4th quarter of the Saints game we're missing:

Dunbar
Lee
Butler
Dez
Romo
McClain
Hardy
Gregory
Other McClain
Scandrick

It's the worst I've felt about a season in my life....So, I get the frustration. But we were supposed to be a pass rusher away and catch away from competing in the NFC championship game last year. There's no way our coaching and players individually got HORRIBLE as many people are saying in an offseason. This is when football sucks, guys. It'll be hard to stomach N.E. next week if we lose, especially if we lose how I think we will, which is fighting and clawing like we have been and losing by a few. Here's hoping we get players back really soon. Feel so bad for Witten.

Couldn't agree more. And the most important injury of all is Tony Romo. Maybe 10 guys in the world can play qb at the highest level and win consistently and he is one of them. Him out hurts the OL, hurts the running game, hurts the receivers, hurts time of possession, hurts the D who get stuck out there forever. We have to realize how hard it is anyway to win in the league and now we don't have one of the 10 guys in the world who can really play the position at an amazing level, making winning even harder now. Weeden has been okay, this is not a shot at him, but he cannot make the same presnap adjustments Tony regularly makes (or see the field the same way) and put us in favorable situations. It is causing the run game to get stuffed and little success on 3rd down outside of penalties helping us. This is expected when your franchise qb goes down. Look at Pitt, Vick and Weeden are playing about the same so far.

 

[Eddie]

i blame marinelli and his outdated scheme that a high school coach could attack

Who would you rather have? Rob Ryan's 1000 page playbook? You think our boatload of backups would have won the game with Ryan's gameplan?

Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson couldn't win when they didn't have talent. Gimme a break already ...

 

[AsthmaField]

One of the things I continue to wonder about is the fact that everywhere the Lovie Smith / Marinelli scheme has worked, it has had very good to great zone CBs.

Neither Claiborne or Carr fit that mold.

I think it's a problem.

IMHO, Marinelli is much better DL coach that defensive coordinator.

So, by barely losing two games with a defensive roster that is depleted of most of the play makers, Marinelli and his scheme go from miracle workers last year to outdated and over promoted?

With an offense that has trouble keeping time of possession because their pro bowl WR and QB are out of the line up?

Come on.

 

[perrykemp]

So, by losing two games with a defensive roster that is depleted of most of the play makers, Marinelli and his scheme go from miracle workers last year to outdated and over promoted?

Come on.

Asthma:

I love Marinelli as a DL coach.

As it relates to the Tampa-2 (ie the Kiffin 4-3) I think that defense has definitely seen its heyday. I don't see anything particularly innovative or interesting about it and it has pretty much run it's course in the NFL.

What I do know it when it's been run the most effectively it's had good zone CBs -- whether it be Ronde Barber in Tampa or Peanut Tillman / Jennings / etc in Chicago, Aeneas Williams with the Rams when they won the Superbowl / etc.

Almost all those guys where good tacklers and great and great at forcing turn-overs.

With Claiborne and Carr the Cowboys have two starting CBs that are neither good at playing in zone, good at tackling, or good at forcing turn-overs. Kinda a problem...

In summary, I like Marinelli a lot and he has performed a lot of miracle work taking mediocre talent and making it serviceable, however, the ultimate test will be taking all the talent he has this year and making it top 5-10.

 

[AsthmaField]

Asthma:

I love Marinelli as a DL coach.

As it relates to the Tampa-2 (ie the Kiffin 4-3) I think that defense has definitely seen its heyday. I don't see anything particularly innovative or interesting about it and it has pretty much run it's course in the NFL.

What I do know it when it's been run the most effectively it's had good zone CBs -- whether it be Ronde Barber in Tampa or Peanut Tillman / Jennings / etc in Chicago, Aeneas Williams with the Rams when they won the Superbowl / etc.

Almost all those guys where good tacklers and great and great at forcing turn-overs.

With Claiborne and Carr the Cowboys have two starting CBs that are neither good at playing in zone, good at tackling, or good at forcing turn-overs. Kinda a problem...

In summary, I like Marinelli a lot and he has performed a lot of miracle work taking mediocre talent and making it serviceable, however, the ultimate test will be taking all the talent he has this year and making it top 5-10.

The Steelers used that defense through their heyday, Dallas did in the Landry era and the Johnson era. Who knew that the 43 would lose its effectiveness between week 2 and week 3 of the 2015 NFL season?

 

[perrykemp]

The Steelers used that defense through their heyday, Dallas did in the Landry era and the Johnson era. Who knew that the 43 would lose its effectiveness between week 2 and week 3 of the 2015 NFL season?

Asthma:

A little bit of football background sounds like it is in order. First off -- not all 4-3 defenses are uniformly the same. Just like there are many variations of the 3-4 defense.

In my post I was referring to the particular variation of the 4-3 that Marinelli has been running (or coaching DL) since he joined Monte Kiffin in Tampa in the late 1990s.

That defense is popularly known as the Tampa 2.

I am providing a wikipedia reference for your perusal below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_2

 

[AsthmaField]

Asthma:

A little bit of football background sounds like it is in order. First off -- not all 4-3 defenses are uniformly the same. Just like there are many variations of the 3-4 defense.

In my post I was referring to the particular variation of the 4-3 that Marinelli has been running (or coaching DL) since he joined Monte Kiffin in Tampa in the late 1990s.

That defense is popularly known as the Tampa 2.

I am providing a wikipedia reference for your perusal below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_2

Lol

 

[NextGenBoys]

Like who? Are there a bunch of quality safeties walking around on the street? With Wilcox and Church back there I'm sure the front office would have brought in anyone who could play. Heath is a crap safety, yes, and maybe you could sign someone off the street but they're going to be crap too and Heath already contributes a bunch on ST

I meant in terms of the draft, sorry, not free agents.

 

[Frosty]

Again, just because you have 2nd stringers doesn't mean you can't still see coaching gaffes.

Not calling timeout in OT when you saw that play unfolding? That's a coaching mistake. 12 men on the field on a punt that ends up costing them 3 points? That's a discipline issue that starts with the coaching staff. This team makes way too many fundamental mistakes and errors that have NOTHING to do with the talent. And let's look at the most talented group - the OL. They are making tons of mistakes. Talent isn't the issue there. But they are making dumb mistakes and fundamental mistakes.

That's coaching.

Then take into account they have not looked good all year. The 2 wins were ugly and the games get uglier each week. Sloppy football breeds injuries an discipline problems much like the 2008 season

 

[AsthmaField]

Asthma:

A little bit of football background sounds like it is in order. First off -- not all 4-3 defenses are uniformly the same. Just like there are many variations of the 3-4 defense.

In my post I was referring to the particular variation of the 4-3 that Marinelli has been running (or coaching DL) since he joined Monte Kiffin in Tampa in the late 1990s.

That defense is popularly known as the Tampa 2.

I am providing a wikipedia reference for your perusal below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_2

Like Bob Sturm says:

but anytime somebody tells you the Cowboys run a Tampa 2, stop listening to anything else they say. The Cowboys do not run a Tampa 2 defense and while they might use that coverage once every blood-moon, the base of the Cowboys has generally been Cover 3 (like Seattle).

Link: http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...de-julio-jones-45-yard-td-easier-and-more.ece


I'm not going to stop listening to you because that would be rude and you have been right about some things. Nor am I going to call you an unflattering name like I read in another article because, well, that would be rude and against forum rules.

But yeah... Dallas has been running the Seattle (and Jacksonville and Atlanta) defense for a while now. In your initial post that I responded to, I didn't think you actually meant that Dallas was literally running a Tampa-2; so I gave you the benefit of the doubt and just assumed you meant a 43 in general.

Thus my lol.

 

[AsthmaField]

Charles may be wacky but he knows a thing or two about defense.

Charles is definitely wacky... but he does know defense pretty well.

 

[perrykemp]

Like Bob Sturm says:



Link: http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...de-julio-jones-45-yard-td-easier-and-more.ece


I'm not going to stop listening to you because that would be rude and you have been right about some things. Nor am I going to call you an unflattering name like I read in another article because, well, that would be rude and against forum rules.

But yeah... Dallas has been running the Seattle (and Jacksonville and Atlanta) defense for a while now. In your initial post that I responded to, I didn't think you actually meant that Dallas was literally running a Tampa-2; so I gave you the benefit of the doubt and just assumed you meant a 43 in general.

Thus my lol.

If Sturm says it, I accept my wrongness.

Having said, my personal bible for all things deeply NFL related, Wikipedia (ok, so I'm a bit lazy with my sources), thusly states in the introductory paragraph of the Tampa 2 page:

The defense is similar to a Cover 2 defense, except the middle linebacker drops into a deep middle coverage for a Cover 3 when he reads a pass play.[1]
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Which seems to indicates that the Tampa 2 is a blend of Cover 2 and Cover 3.

Question for you.... do you think Marinelli runs the Seattle variant of the 4-3 instead of the traditional Tampa 2 they played in Tampa / Chicago <because> he doesn't have corners who can play zone?