Blue Chip Prospects

Sydla said:
Again, Jeanty is on a really bad team. Hard to show much of anything there.

As someone pointed out, taking a RB with a terrible OL seems like a total waste of that pick. In this league, I don't care how good a TB you are, if your OL isn't good, neither will your TB.

For the record, I didn't want Dallas to take Jeanty because I am in the mindset that you don't use a first round pick on a TB unless he's the missing piece or the value is just too good to pass up. Like if we were picking 28th and Love was there, I'd consider it under that situation given value.
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Barkley proved that last yr when the Eagles OL was the best in football.
 
Cowboyny said:
Barkley proved that last yr when the Eagles OL was the best in football.
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Yep and now the OL is having issues and Barkley is down (granted, I also believe RBs see declines when used a lot in a previous season, so Barkley could be a case of declining OL play and overuse last year).
 
Sydla said:
Yep and now the OL is having issues and Barkley is down (granted, I also believe RBs see declines when used a lot in a previous season, so Barkley could be a case of declining OL play and overuse last year).
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He certainly seems to have hit a wall. That said, the Eagle's entire offense looks like it's taking a bong hit before every play.
 
Sydla said:
Yep and now the OL is having issues and Barkley is down (granted, I also believe RBs see declines when used a lot in a previous season, so Barkley could be a case of declining OL play and overuse last year).
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Both Williams/Dowdle will run for 1k yards behind our OL, where they pay just 3 million for each. Makes no sense to use a 1st rd pick at the position.
 
MarionBarberThe4th said:
The position is always changing it feels.

I haven’t felt great about our rb since ever it feels like.

Missed it with Felix and Julius. Didn’t get enough out of Murray. Ran zeke into the ground. Also he probably shouldn’t ever have been a cowboy.



So anyways is Jordan love bijan Robinson?
Is saquan Barkley cooked ? Is Rico Fowler as good as Javonte?

I think with this position it’s best to stay flexible .



Like Ashton jeanty had a 3rd and 1 last night he got tripped up and dropped but it’s like man for a top 5 pick can you figure SOMEthing out on that play? It’s asking a lot but top 5 ya know? You wrote a letter saying draft the guy they can’t tackle



I think the rams are the team that get to draft Jordan love. They get that bonus draft pick and they have a one year window with Stafford




What Dallas should do with this balanced roster and balanced draft stock is to keep things flexibile and don’t lock into anything


And also don’t totally avoid anything anymore either . Like they did with dt and lb for half a season.
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RB success is highly dependant on OL play and scheme which is why a lot of people think drafting them early is a huge mistake.

I think we just need playmakers on defense and we should use both 1st on that side of the ball.
 
cnuball21 said:
I feel like this term is thrown around way too casually every year. For me it is legit top 5 caliber prospects in any class that have all pro potential.

Think Luck, Alt, Chase, Garrett, Kuechly, Jalen Carter, etc...

This years class which is not top heavy? I have 1...

Caleb Downs. He will not get drafted early due to positional value but he is arguably the best player in the draft. He is a do it all S that can be a chess piece like defender. I see him as a more athletic version of Kyle Hamilton who has been a star.
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We pic lower down and Downs won't be there. That said, he's a need and tremendous player of course you take him.
 
There is no such thing as a blue-chip RB or Safety IMO.

It takes a high positional value to truly be blue chip.
The only true blue chips for me are Peter Woods and Rueben Bain Jr.

Reese is really, really good but at the next level he has a high bust factor. He has 7 total tackles and no sacks in his last 4 games. Can he play at next level at his size and handle an NFL schedule?

None of these QBs are blue chip to me.

Love and Downs are both can't miss guys but at lower position values where scheme and players around them will matter.
Love is doing jack squat with a bad OL. Same as Barkley did.
Carnell Tate is a great player, but he plays with a monster on the other side against woefully overmatched opponents.
Jordyn Tyson is elite because he plays with literally no receiving help and produces big time.
But neither is the can't miss type true blue chip WR.

NFL Draft blue chips to me are walking in making a Pro Boel at a position of value.
 
cnuball21 said:
RB success is highly dependant on OL play and scheme which is why a lot of people think drafting them early is a huge mistake.

I think we just need playmakers on defense and we should use both 1st on that side of the ball.
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Yup. Jeanty is an elite prospect at the position that has been awful because that Raiders OL is among the worst in the NFL.
You can't just take a RB to fix the run game. You have to build an OL and run blocking scheme that works.
 
jterrell said:
There is no such thing as a blue-chip RB or Safety IMO.

It takes a high positional value to truly be blue chip.
The only true blue chips for me are Peter Woods and Rueben Bain Jr.

Reese is really, really good but at the next level he has a high bust factor. He has 7 total tackles and no sacks in his last 4 games. Can he play at next level at his size and handle an NFL schedule?

None of these QBs are blue chip to me.

Love and Downs are both can't miss guys but at lower position values where scheme and players around them will matter.
Love is doing jack squat with a bad OL. Same as Barkley did.
Carnell Tate is a great player, but he plays with a monster on the other side against woefully overmatched opponents.
Jordyn Tyson is elite because he plays with literally no receiving help and produces big time.
But neither is the can't miss type true blue chip WR.

NFL Draft blue chips to me are walking in making a Pro Boel at a position of value.
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Totally disagree about Safety. Championship Ds do not happen without a top FS. Or at the very least a real playmaker there.

It is no cooincidence that the Dallas Cowboys have never won a SB without top safety play. And if you examine the last 20 SB winning teams, the vast majority of them have at least a Pro Bowl FS.

If that is not clue chip there is no such thing

This idea that only edge rusher or QB or WR is blue chip is total garbage. Look at how much difference Q has made.
 
gtb1943 said:
Totally disagree about Safety. Championship Ds do not happen without a top FS. Or at the very least a real playmaker there.

It is no cooincidence that the Dallas Cowboys have never won a SB without top safety play. And if you examine the last 20 SB winning teams, the vast majority of them have at least a Pro Bowl FS.

If that is not clue chip there is no such thing

This idea that only edge rusher or QB or WR is blue chip is total garbage. Look at how much difference Q has made.
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The Cowboys have never won a Super Bowl without a top notch RB either.
RBs can absolutely be blue chippers,
 
cnuball21 said:
Posters say this every year about a RB coming out...he is not IMO.
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your the only one who thinks that.
kiper.
brugler.
both have love very high in their rankings.
but you keep scouting those positions and logos.
 
jterrell said:
There is no such thing as a blue-chip RB or Safety IMO.

It takes a high positional value to truly be blue chip.
The only true blue chips for me are Peter Woods and Rueben Bain Jr.

Reese is really, really good but at the next level he has a high bust factor. He has 7 total tackles and no sacks in his last 4 games. Can he play at next level at his size and handle an NFL schedule?

None of these QBs are blue chip to me.

Love and Downs are both can't miss guys but at lower position values where scheme and players around them will matter.
Love is doing jack squat with a bad OL. Same as Barkley did.
Carnell Tate is a great player, but he plays with a monster on the other side against woefully overmatched opponents.
Jordyn Tyson is elite because he plays with literally no receiving help and produces big time.
But neither is the can't miss type true blue chip WR.

NFL Draft blue chips to me are walking in making a Pro Boel at a position of value.
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Big fan of both players but Woods doesn't have the production and Bain doesn't have the measurables to be blue chip.
 
cowboyec said:
your the only one who thinks that.
kiper.
brugler.
both have love very high in their rankings.
but you keep scouting those positions and logos.
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Having him high in their rankings and my point can coexist.

Also position and / or logo have nothing to do with whether or not a player can be a blue chipper. ND is ranked every year so maybe try a different argument?
 
jterrell said:
There is no such thing as a blue-chip RB or Safety IMO.

It takes a high positional value to truly be blue chip.
The only true blue chips for me are Peter Woods and Rueben Bain Jr.

Reese is really, really good but at the next level he has a high bust factor. He has 7 total tackles and no sacks in his last 4 games. Can he play at next level at his size and handle an NFL schedule?

None of these QBs are blue chip to me.

Love and Downs are both can't miss guys but at lower position values where scheme and players around them will matter.
Love is doing jack squat with a bad OL. Same as Barkley did.
Carnell Tate is a great player, but he plays with a monster on the other side against woefully overmatched opponents.
Jordyn Tyson is elite because he plays with literally no receiving help and produces big time.
But neither is the can't miss type true blue chip WR.

NFL Draft blue chips to me are walking in making a Pro Boel at a position of value.
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Ehhhh, you’d have a hard time arguing that Kyle Hamilton isn’t blue chip. He’s a safety who is the most interchangeable player in the league having logged multiple snaps at S, CB, LB.

4 years in league and he’s a three time all pro. If you could guarantee me Caleb Downs would be the same player, he’d absolutely be blue chip and worthy of a high first round pick.
 
Sydla said:
Ehhhh, you’d have a hard time arguing that Kyle Hamilton isn’t blue chip. He’s a safety who is the most interchangeable player in the league having logged multiple snaps at S, CB, LB.

4 years in league and he’s a three time all pro. If you could guarantee me Caleb Downs would be the same player, he’d absolutely be blue chip and worthy of a high first round pick.
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Yea...and I think Downs is a more athletic version of Hamilton.
 
cnuball21 said:
Having him high in their rankings and my point can coexist.

Also position and / or logo have nothing to do with whether or not a player can be a blue chipper. ND is ranked every year so maybe try a different argument?
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notre dame's ranking has nothing to do with his talent.
you think he's a horrific no talent bum.
i do not.
difference of opinion.
if he's on the board when you pick...there is no way he's not the best player available.
you turn that card in and move on with your day.
position and logo be damned.
he's the only rb worth taking in rd1.
 
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