Bob McGinn: How the scouts view the NFL draft top 50

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Sammy Watkins*, WR, Clemson: 6 feet 1 inch, 211 pounds. In what might become an all-time class of wide receivers, he stands as the best entering the draft. "He can pretty much do everything," one scout said. "He's fast. He makes plays. Catches the hell out of the ball. Knows how to play." Caught 240 passes (101 in 2013) for 3,391 yards (14.1-yard average) and 27 touchdowns. "He'll be a great kickoff return guy, too," another scout said. "But he won't do that very long. Not real tall but he's thick. He looks like a running back more than a wide receiver."

Greg Robinson*, T, Auburn: 6-5, 332. Redshirt sophomore started two years at LT. "He's phenomenal," one scout said. "He's the most talented of all of them...the most upside." Long arms (35). Bench-pressed 32 times. Ran a fast 40-yard dash of 4.92 seconds Saturday at the combine. Ability to drive block is what excites some scouts. "He'll mash you," said another. "He needs work in pass protection but he can pass protect. You see his punch. And he comes off the ball."

Jake Matthews, T, Texas A&M: 6-41/2, 308. Started 46 of 49 games, playing RT from 2010-'12 before moving to LT in '13 as the replacement for Luke Joeckel. "You can't go wrong with him," one scout said. "You just take him and you don't worry about anything. He's probably the most solid of the tackles." Average size, arm length (333/8), hand size (97/8) and strength (24 reps on the bench). Good speed (5.07). Cousin of Green Bay OLB Clay Matthews. "Really good technician," said another scout. "Good, not great athlete. He's a little soft. Not that he won't be a very good player. He gives great effort."

Johnny Manziel*, QB, Texas A&M: 5-11½, 207. Third-year sophomore and two-year starter. Won Heisman Trophy in 2012. "Hit or miss? What the hell are they talking about?" one scout said. "He's a better passer than the guy (Russell Wilson) who won the Super Bowl, and he's got a better arm. Here comes the pressure, a guy breaks open and he finds the receiver. Does he have a gun? No. But he doesn't have a bad arm at all." Has had a colorful if not controversial career off the field. Nicknamed "Johnny Football." Said another personnel man with more than 15 years of NFL scouting experience: "I'm fine with him on the field. He's probably the most unique guy I've done at that position. Just the way he kind of controls the game when he's on. But it's the other stuff. He's not a worker. He doesn't show up. He does what he wants to do. They need him. Everybody just kind of shrugs it off. You try to pull some of the stuff he does in an NFL locker room and it's just not going to work."

Blake Bortles*, QB, Central Florida: 6-5, 232. Fourth-year junior. "He's either the first or second quarterback (drafted)," one scout said. "Really good athlete. Great size. Above average to very good arm strength. Tough. Poised. Very productive in his last year." Completed 65.7% of his passes and started two years. "He's actually more of a runner," another scout said. "They ran him a lot and roll him out. He's raw. If somebody takes him and thinks he's going to be their franchise guy, they're going to get burned. He's not very accurate, and guys that are inaccurate don't really become that accurate. You can depend on him. He works his (expletive) off. He's a leader. He's won. He kind of raised the program. But I'm shaky with him."

Jadeveon Clowney*, DE, South Carolina: 6-5, 266. Often compared to Mario Williams and Julius Peppers. "I don't know where people say he didn't play hard this year," one scout said. "Not in the games I watched. They hold him. Somebody asked if he could play linebacker. He'd be a great linebacker. He stands up now sometimes." Third-year junior and probable top-five pick. "I would not put my job on the line for that guy," another scout said. "Who has a profile like that that's been successful in the NFL? Lazy. Not playing hard....I think his physical talent is being overblown. At what point in his life has he had to push himself? Now you're going to give him this money and say, 'Do something you're never done in your life before. Against guys you just can't run over.' I would not do it."



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McGinn's material is entertaining as his "executives" say a lot of interesting things.

But if you look back at his yearly articles, the comments are not especially on target. One of his "sources" basically said J.J. Watt was average.

He is not the only "draft insider" that teams use to throw out misinformation. Nawrocki is another.
 

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Johnny Manziel*, QB, Texas A&M: 5-11½, 207. Third-year sophomore and two-year starter. Won Heisman Trophy in 2012. "Hit or miss? What the hell are they talking about?" one scout said. "He's a better passer than the guy (Russell Wilson) who won the Super Bowl, and he's got a better arm

Bull Corn, straight up lie there
 

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There are some scouts that get quoted that make me wonder how the heck they have a job.
"I would not put my job on the line for that guy," another scout said. "Who has a profile like that that's been successful in the NFL? Lazy. Not playing hard....I think his physical talent is being overblown. At what point in his life has he had to push himself? Now you're going to give him this money and say, 'Do something you're never done in your life before. Against guys you just can't run over.' I would not do it."
 

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There are some scouts that get quoted that make me wonder how the heck they have a job.

There is plenty of nepotism in the NFL, and even the best scouts are wrong a large percent of the time.
 

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interesting that most of the scouts and internet gurus think Ha Ha Dix can play centerfield and Pryor is more of and SS mostly because they have not seen him in those single high situations.
 

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Bull corn what? He is a better passer than Russell.

Are you insane? what part of this going into the NFL says Russell was worse?

*2011 Wisconsin Big Ten QB 14 225 309 72.8 3175 10.3 11.8 33 4 191.8

*2013 Texas A&M SEC QB 13 300 429 69.9 4114 9.6 10.0 37 13 172.9
 

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Are you insane? what part of this going into the NFL says Russell was worse?

Russell was nothing more then a caretaker, while managing the game, making a play when needed, and nothing more. My point is he really hasn't had to win a game for them yet. I want to see that Russell.

JF is nothing like Russell IMO.
 

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Russell was nothing more then a caretaker, while managing the game, making a play when needed, and nothing more. My point is he really hasn't had to win a game for them yet. I want to see that Russell.

JF is nothing like Russell IMO.

So you are comparing the rah-rah leading in massive college wins to how an NFL team operates? That worked great for Tebow, Young and Newton but eventually it doesn't work out to wins.

Wilson might not have the dynamic moxie/pizazz/flash but he is far away a superior passer to Manziel. I have seen him make pointed precise accurate passes within the system he plays in. Manziel doesn't have the decision making skills like WIlson, he isn't accurate like Wilson, he can't read as well as Wilson, but he has the showiness like Vick and that type had.

I admit being very wrong that Newton would never improve as a passer because he has. but so far that type of QB doesn't do well for long in the NFL.
 

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Russell was nothing more then a caretaker, while managing the game, making a play when needed, and nothing more. My point is he really hasn't had to win a game for them yet. I want to see that Russell.

JF is nothing like Russell IMO.

You're talking to a guy who believes Russell Wilson is the perfect QB for the Seattle offense.

Like no other QB on the planet could do better.

Don't waste your time.
 

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Bull corn what? He is a better passer than Russell.

I agree with this.

Wilson can make all the throws but so can Manziel. Wilson may have the stronger arm but Manziel will improve with NFL coaching.

If Houston takes Manziel they will make it to the SB. Book it! ;)
 

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Are you insane? what part of this going into the NFL says Russell was worse?

probably the 1000 more yards passing against the best defenses in college football.

Manziel is a slightly better version athletically to Wilson.
I'd rather have Wilson's character tho.

Manziel put up elite quickness and agility number for a running back much less a QB.
His short shuttle, 40 and 3 cone are insane.
Those are Vick numbers.
 

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I agree with this.

Wilson can make all the throws but so can Manziel. Wilson may have the stronger arm but Manziel will improve with NFL coaching.

If Houston takes Manziel they will make it to the SB. Book it! ;)

Wilson was a middle rung QB at the Senior Bowl. His arm strength and accuracy were pedestrian.

He is a heck of a worker and playmaker but he wasn't an elite prospect.
Manziel is.
 

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probably the 1000 more yards passing against the best defenses in college football.

Manziel is a slightly better version athletically to Wilson.
I'd rather have Wilson's character tho.

Manziel put up elite quickness and agility number for a running back much less a QB.
His short shuttle, 40 and 3 cone are insane.
Those are Vick numbers.

He had a lot more attempts, reason was his defense wasn't good.

I guess you guys see Manziel in the mold of Steve Young, I mean he was a running QB too, but I don't see the elite passing ability.
 

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Wilson was a middle rung QB at the Senior Bowl. His arm strength and accuracy were pedestrian.

He is a heck of a worker and playmaker but he wasn't an elite prospect.
Manziel is.

I absolutely agree! I would take the kid in a second if he is there at 16. I think he will make any NFL team a legitimate contender for the playoffs.
 
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