Bob Sturm on Jared Goff

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LM I have marked your words
we'll see

i know alot of people get on bandwagons of players that are hot at the moment. I doubt 80% of the people on this guys jock have seen much of goff but are happy about the hype on a player. But theres a reason Goff was bad against the pac12. Because they know his tendencies. they know he was a bubble screen guy who had guys who could break it open after the catch. Just like these NFL teams are going to know his tendencies. The legit top QBs in drafts dont have these types of consecutive bad showings. But the likes of Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, had these types and they also had these type of climbs after the games were played. When teams makes choices like these theyre called desperate.
 

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That's as incorrect as it is arrogant. You're simply too busy sipping your own kool aid to pay attention. This forum has quite a few members who played at the collegiate level. Some even at well known programs.

Your talent evaluations are historically bad here, as other have pointed out. You're more than entitled to your opinion, but to try and paint yourself as some defacto expert is laughable. If you want to actually scout someone, a good place to start is watching the game tape, not the highlights.

http://yourdailycowboysfootballfix.com/nfl/kellen-moore-sets-franchise-record-in-2nd-nfl-start/

Just keep talking Tex....since your good @ it....don't let facts get in your way....:rolleyes:
 

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i know alot of people get on bandwagons of players that are hot at the moment. I doubt 80% of the people on this guys jock have seen much of goff but are happy about the hype on a player. But theres a reason Goff was bad against the pac12. Because they know his tendencies. they know he was a bubble screen guy who had guys who could break it open after the catch. Just like these NFL teams are going to know his tendencies. The legit top QBs in drafts dont have these types of consecutive bad showings. But the likes of Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, had these types and they also had these type of climbs after the games were played. When teams makes choices like these theyre called desperate.

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yeah and was doing it against a secondary that lost its CBs and a S. Washington was down to 3 DBs and 1 WR playing DB if i remember right. Moore is smart but the guy should be a clip voard holder and stay there

And Moore was playing w/ a team that was tanking for a draft pick the last month...imagine if he had a team that cared:rolleyes:
 

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And Moore was playing w/ a team that was tanking for a draft pick the last month...imagine if he had a team that cared:rolleyes:

If the Cowboys were tanking, then add that to another of the long list of things they didn't do very well in 2015. They played in too many close games for a team bent on tanking. I also think if the tank was on, Hardy should have been cut before reaching his performance bonus and we should have seen a lot more of the young guys.

I guess what I am saying is, no, they weren't tanking.
 

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i know alot of people get on bandwagons of players that are hot at the moment. I doubt 80% of the people on this guys jock have seen much of goff but are happy about the hype on a player. But theres a reason Goff was bad against the pac12. Because they know his tendencies. they know he was a bubble screen guy who had guys who could break it open after the catch. Just like these NFL teams are going to know his tendencies. The legit top QBs in drafts dont have these types of consecutive bad showings. But the likes of Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, had these types and they also had these type of climbs after the games were played. When teams makes choices like these theyre called desperate.

I've watched entire games of his against Texas, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona St. and Utah and I know you are making up nonsense because he actually performed very well on the road against a very good Stanford defense/overall team. He also lead a big time comeback against Arizona St., throwing for 500+ yards and 5 TD's. Are they in the PAC-12? He also performed reasonably well on the road against UCLA, another very good defense. They lost the Stanford and UCLA games in large part because Cal just does not have a very good team in general, especially against Stanford where each time they got close their defense or ST's gave up huge play after huge play.

Utah was clearly his worst game of the year but at least 2 of the INT's weren't his fault and he still made impressive throws, and nearly led them back to win at the end. Even still, you cherry pick that game like it's the first time a top 10 pick at QB had a terrible game.

Yea, he threw a bunch of bubble screens and passes within 5 yards of the LOS, but so did Derek Carr, so did Mariota. He also takes plenty of deep shots and shows great touch and accuracy on them. He shows the ability to go through progressions and the footwork to slide around in the pocket to buy time to get off throws, he doesn't have a rocket for an arm but it's definitely strong enough to make NFL throws. He broke Mariota's record for TD passes in a season. By all accounts he is a student of the game and wants to be great, although there is no way of knowing stuff like that for sure unless you have access to the player like the NFL teams do.

The guy has weaknesses, so does every QB coming out every year, but there's more than enough there to work with to mold him into a franchise QB given time to sit behind Romo. It's on the coaching staff to put a young QB with talent but a lack of experience into a position to succeed.

Your insistence on anything but a QB shows that you came into the process with a closed mind, probably because you haven't actually watched these guys or many of the other top prospects, and just want to cling on to the window we have with Romo and the hope of the very long shot that lightning strikes twice in terms of finding a franchise QB as a 6th/7th/UDFA.

And just so you know, I've watched plenty of Myles Jack too. I love him as a prospect but I find it comical that you are so gung-ho about a 4-3 LB who hasn't been uber productive despite showing awesome physical ability and is coming off a knee injury that cost him his junior season, as opposed to potentially solidifying our QB situation for 10+ years.
 

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There's a HUGE difference between understanding football vs ability to process info as a QB in split second and delivering the football to where it needs to be.

By your reasoning Belicheat should be a Hall of Fame QB and best EVER QB. Nope, it doesn't work that way.

That's not my reasoning. That is the reasoning I see from the Pro Wentz crowd.


He played at a bigger school and he's supposedly smart. He is also physically limited even though people don't want to admit it and I don't care how much you know it will not translate to the NFL if you can fit passes in tight windows.

Now Maybe he put in 15-20 pounds and shows he can be a drop back guy as well but as of right now he is so overrated as this more safe option.
 

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I've watched entire games of his against Texas, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona St. and Utah and I know you are making up nonsense because he actually performed very well on the road against a very good Stanford defense/overall team. He also lead a big time comeback against Arizona St., throwing for 500+ yards and 5 TD's. Are they in the PAC-12? He also performed reasonably well on the road against UCLA, another very good defense. They lost the Stanford and UCLA games in large part because Cal just does not have a very good team in general, especially against Stanford where each time they got close their defense or ST's gave up huge play after huge play.

Utah was clearly his worst game of the year but at least 2 of the INT's weren't his fault and he still made impressive throws, and nearly led them back to win at the end. Even still, you cherry pick that game like it's the first time a top 10 pick at QB had a terrible game.

Yea, he threw a bunch of bubble screens and passes within 5 yards of the LOS, but so did Derek Carr, so did Mariota. He also takes plenty of deep shots and shows great touch and accuracy on them. He shows the ability to go through progressions and the footwork to slide around in the pocket to buy time to get off throws, he doesn't have a rocket for an arm but it's definitely strong enough to make NFL throws. He broke Mariota's record for TD passes in a season. By all accounts he is a student of the game and wants to be great, although there is no way of knowing stuff like that for sure unless you have access to the player like the NFL teams do.

The guy has weaknesses, so does every QB coming out every year, but there's more than enough there to work with to mold him into a franchise QB given time to sit behind Romo. It's on the coaching staff to put a young QB with talent but a lack of experience into a position to succeed.

Your insistence on anything but a QB shows that you came into the process with a closed mind, probably because you haven't actually watched these guys or many of the other top prospects, and just want to cling on to the window we have with Romo and the hope of the very long shot that lightning strikes twice in terms of finding a franchise QB as a 6th/7th/UDFA.

And just so you know, I've watched plenty of Myles Jack too. I love him as a prospect but I find it comical that you are so gung-ho about a 4-3 LB who hasn't been uber productive despite showing awesome physical ability and is coming off a knee injury that cost him his junior season, as opposed to potentially solidifying our QB situation for 10+ years.

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That's not my reasoning. That is the reasoning I see from the Pro Wentz crowd.


He played at a bigger school and he's supposedly smart. He is also physically limited even though people don't want to admit it and I don't care how much you know it will not translate to the NFL if you can fit passes in tight windows.

Now Maybe he put in 15-20 pounds and shows he can be a drop back guy as well but as of right now he is so overrated as this more safe option.

You're making stuff up. He's absolutely not physically limited. He has plenty of arm and CAN fit throws into tight windows. You're talking about him like he's Chad Pennington or something and thats not even close to true.
 

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yeah and was doing it against a secondary that lost its CBs and a S. Washington was down to 3 DBs and 1 WR playing DB if i remember right. Moore is smart but the guy should be a clip voard holder and stay there

Did you actually read the article. It's hilarious. Apparently Moore is a better QB than Andrew Luck too.

Honestly............ I just can't today. I might hurt my lungs laughing so much.
 

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I've watched entire games of his against Texas, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona St. and Utah and I know you are making up nonsense because he actually performed very well on the road against a very good Stanford defense/overall team. He also lead a big time comeback against Arizona St., throwing for 500+ yards and 5 TD's. Are they in the PAC-12? He also performed reasonably well on the road against UCLA, another very good defense. They lost the Stanford and UCLA games in large part because Cal just does not have a very good team in general, especially against Stanford where each time they got close their defense or ST's gave up huge play after huge play.

Utah was clearly his worst game of the year but at least 2 of the INT's weren't his fault and he still made impressive throws, and nearly led them back to win at the end. Even still, you cherry pick that game like it's the first time a top 10 pick at QB had a terrible game.

Yea, he threw a bunch of bubble screens and passes within 5 yards of the LOS, but so did Derek Carr, so did Mariota. He also takes plenty of deep shots and shows great touch and accuracy on them. He shows the ability to go through progressions and the footwork to slide around in the pocket to buy time to get off throws, he doesn't have a rocket for an arm but it's definitely strong enough to make NFL throws. He broke Mariota's record for TD passes in a season. By all accounts he is a student of the game and wants to be great, although there is no way of knowing stuff like that for sure unless you have access to the player like the NFL teams do.

The guy has weaknesses, so does every QB coming out every year, but there's more than enough there to work with to mold him into a franchise QB given time to sit behind Romo. It's on the coaching staff to put a young QB with talent but a lack of experience into a position to succeed.

Your insistence on anything but a QB shows that you came into the process with a closed mind, probably because you haven't actually watched these guys or many of the other top prospects, and just want to cling on to the window we have with Romo and the hope of the very long shot that lightning strikes twice in terms of finding a franchise QB as a 6th/7th/UDFA.

And just so you know, I've watched plenty of Myles Jack too. I love him as a prospect but I find it comical that you are so gung-ho about a 4-3 LB who hasn't been uber productive despite showing awesome physical ability and is coming off a knee injury that cost him his junior season, as opposed to potentially solidifying our QB situation for 10+ years.

Again i say look at the top rated teams hes played. and not the cupcake schedule they play. You can all be happy about a QB who can pass all day on weal teams but when he's played against the better talent. He's no better then average. His stats and results back all that up. IM not saying he's bad because he doesnt have a skillset, im saying teams know him and what he does in situations because he is a developmental QB. NOt a top 5 pick. You can have all the stats you want when ur throwing the ball 50 times a games and more than half of them are bubble screens. Not to mention the guy is in serious need of size. 6'4 205. Thats not a good thing in the nfl. Out of the top 3 QBs he's the one that the Cowboys IMO wont pick. He need a team with a spread offense to be successful.

Not even going to get into Jack, because the guy is the best player in this draft. The most athletic and has the highest ceiling. Ill see you come around after the comvine when all you hear about is his name.
And i find it funny you brought up UCLA game, because now i know ur full of BS because he was awful in that game until garbage time after UCLA had run away with the game.

If you wouldve said the stanford game then i would be convinced that you have actually watched him play. But you havent
 
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Again i say look at the top rated teams hes played. and not the cupcake schedule they play. You can all be happy about a QB who can pass all day on weal teams but when he's played against the better talent. He's no better then average. His stats and results back all that up. IM not saying he's bad because he doesnt have a skillset, im saying teams know him and what he does in situations because he is a developmental QB. NOt a top 5 pick. You can have all the stats you want when ur throwing the ball 50 times a games and more than half of them are bubble screens. Not to mention the guy is in serious need of size. 6'4 205. Thats not a good thing in the nfl. Out of the top 3 QBs he's the one that the Cowboys IMO wont pick. He need a team with a spread offense to be successful.

Not even going to get into Jack, because the guy is the best player in this draft. The most athletic and has the highest ceiling. Ill see you come around after the comvine when all you hear about is his name.
And i find it funny you brought up UCLA game, because now i know ur full of BS because he was awful in that game until garbage time after UCLA had run away with the game.

If you wouldve said the stanford game then i would be convinced that you have actually watched him play. But you havent

Are you mental?

Right in the first sentence of my post I said he played well on the road against Stanford and later noted that every time he pulled them close in that game their defense or ST's would give up a huge play. Stanford, the team that finished 3rd in the country that is. As for the UCLA game, he moved the ball well enough early on but their defense gave up points on drive after drive, he played well in garbage time too but what do you want him to do, not play well?

It wasn't his best game but you implied he didn't play well against the PAC-12 because they had him figured out, that was clearly not the case.

Jack is an excellent prospect that I've had my eye on since last season. I know he's likely to run in the 4.5 area, maybe lower at the Combine. Fantastic athlete, one of the best coverage LB's I've ever seen in college, I think he has the coverage ability of an old school SS playing at LB, which is extremely rare. I'd be happy enough with him at 4, my point is that it's comical to me that you act like he is some sure fire, no brainer pick when he missed his entire Junior year and has never been ultra productive in terms of stats like a guy like Kuechly was.

Goff is right there with him as a prospect, both have clear traits that transfer to the NFL, you just refuse to see them in Goff because you want to cling to Romo and the fairy tale that is finding a franchise QB in the 6th round or later. Just because people hit the lottery doesn't mean you should bank on the lottery for your retirement.
 

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Can this kid even throw a spiral?

Jesus that is some hidious tape.......Hence I'm sure he's gonna be the Cowboys pick now..:banghead:


I'm not sold on Goff.

Know what I'm also not sold on? You're ability to evaluate a quarterback. Kellen Moore.
 

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So yeah...I think that makes me a QB expert....other than the fact I'm probably the only guy on this forum that has ever played past the high school level here.

You compared Paxton Lynch to Drew Bledsoe, so if you actually did play college football, I'd say you have Michael Jordan esq evaluation skills...
 
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