Bob Sturm on Jared Goff

[texbumthelife]

Wentz said he will be throwing at the combine, I love his approach, the kid is not afraid of anything and will show his ability.

Wentz and Goff. Let's see if Lynch steps up. We might need to get the popcorn ready if all three throw.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Wentz and Goff. Let's see if Lynch steps up. We might need to get the popcorn ready if all three throw.

I hope they do, see a little bit more from these QB's, it should be fun.

 

[AzorAhai]

Wentz and Goff. Let's see if Lynch steps up. We might need to get the popcorn ready if all three throw.

Why should that change anything? I sit in front of my TV all week with popcorn in hand for the combine already.

 

[jterrell]

@Alexander posted an article stating Goff plans to do everything at the combine.

I saw that as well and the NFL is pushing hard for them to do so but it is dumb really.
We'll see if it actually happens or not.
Both those guys are top 10 picks minimum right now.

More work does little for them.

 

[Alexander]

I saw that as well and the NFL is pushing hard for them to do so but it is dumb really.
We'll see if it actually happens or not.
Both those guys are top 10 picks minimum right now.

More work does little for them.

I disagree. NFL types are funny about that. They have the idea it shows transparency and also competitive spirit.

IIRC one of the reasons Witten slipped so far in the draft is that he refused to lift at the Combine.

 

[Risen Star]

I disagree. NFL types are funny about that. They have the idea it shows transparency and also competitive spirit.

IIRC one of the reasons Witten slipped so far in the draft is that he refused to lift at the Combine.

I agree. It's an opportunity to show your skills on a level playing field with the other prospects. You workout if you can.

 

[jterrell]

I disagree. NFL types are funny about that. They have the idea it shows transparency and also competitive spirit.

IIRC one of the reasons Witten slipped so far in the draft is that he refused to lift at the Combine.

There's years worth of data suggesting that working out at the combine is not a net positive for any player figured to go high round 1.
Potential negatives far outweigh any slight bump. You also risk injury.
Just not worth it.

The NFL is making a lot of money off the combine via sponsors and TV so of course they push hard to have the guys compete.
Any decent scout will state they could care less as they already have a grade on those guys.
GM's might like it so they get a first-hand few in one week but they generally have NOT held it against them.

Mariotta and Winston both participated but did so with little movement. Winston was the better thrower and Mariotta the better athlete.
They bucked a trend of top QBs not working out.

Luck and RG3 both declined to throw at the combine. Carr and Bridgewater didn't throw. Bortles did. It's been hit and miss.
For guys fairly certain they are top 5 there is little to gain and a lot to lose.

 

[Alexander]

There's years worth of data suggesting that working out at the combine is not a net positive for any player figured to go high round 1.
Potential negatives far outweigh any slight bump. You also risk injury.
Just not worth it.

The potential negatives are part of the point. Some feel that not participating means you have something to hide. If the negatives are there, they will materialize eventually. I cannot think of any high rated prospect that harmed themselves participating in the Combine. As far as the injury thing goes, they could injure themselves working out on their own doing some of the same activities they are asked to do in Indianapolis, almost an irrelevant point. A Pro Day workout only indicates there is something that they are hiding and it requires more digging.

The NFL is making a lot of money off the combine via sponsors and TV so of course they push hard to have the guys compete.
Any decent scout will state they could care less as they already have a grade on those guys.
GM's might like it so they get a first-hand few in one week but they generally have NOT held it against them.

Most of this is driven by agents. Of course the scouts do, but again, they are funny about it and if you asked most of them, yes, they prefer the prospect be transparent and do everything. And there are examples of it.

Bill Parcells would set his boards prior to the workouts and that any movement, up or down would be tied to them and the scout's making the decisions.

If you are a competitor, you do it. All the teams are there and if you are neck and neck with another prospect, they like to see how you compete. Pro Days are a backup to reinforce what happened at the Combine, or in some cases, recover. A disastrous Pro Day, while scripted to be in the prospect's favor, can really hurt and it is one shot only if you skip the Combine.

Mariotta and Winston both participated but did so with little movement. Winston was the better thrower and Mariotta the better athlete.

How much could they move if they did okay? They were pretty much oneA and oneB to begin with?

Luck and RG3 both declined to throw at the combine. Carr and Bridgewater didn't throw. Bortles did. It's been hit and miss.

Luck could have sat on his couch and got drafted at one. He was not jockeying for much of anything. Carr and Bridgewater skipped it and it nearly cost them both first round status (Carr fell into the second). Bortles went higher than projected. If it is hit or miss, these examples suggest you are probably better off, especially how the position is so valued and hard to evaluate.

For guys fairly certain they are top 5 there is little to gain and a lot to lose.

I am not certain that Goff is viewed as a surefire top 5 pick, much less head and shoulders considered better than Wentz or Lynch. He might need an extra nudge and I am sure his agent probably has an idea of that which is why he is not advising him to hold himself out.

All in all, I think he's doing the smart thing.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Hate to break everyone's bubble...but this kid has "BUST" written all over him. I've watched over an hours worth of highlights.....I can not believe the hype for this sub par project. I wouldn't even put him in the first round. 6'4...skinny as a toothpick. I'm afraid he is skinnier than Kellen Moore. This guy makes Manute Bol look fat. Someone get this guy a steak....Seriously someone send this guy some food stamps before he gets diabetes.

He's no Kellen Moore, that for sure!

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

You've been around long enough to know these guys aren't doing much at the combine but meeting with teams and partaking in the underwear olympics.

I doubt any of these 3 throw.

It would be in the best interest for all three of them to throw NFL Combine this year.

Plus there is always individual College Pro Days as well.

 

[jterrell]

It would be in the best interest for all three of them to throw NFL Combine this year.

Plus there is always individual College Pro Days as well.

If I were an agent for one of the top 3 they wouldn't throw at the combine but would in a pro days environment that I had more control over and where they had receivers they were familiar with.
Much like Johnny Manziel and about 90% of all R1 QBs before 2 years ago when this thing became live tv business with the NFL pushing it's agenda.

I'd have them there to take medicals, do interviews and get oggled while naked but not throw.
I'd let my guy run the 40 if they could break 4.7 seconds consistently on a slow track.

As a fan I hope they throw but it's probably not in theirt best interest.
Wentz has his Senior Bowl to live off of and frankly as a Cowboys fan I like the thought of him showing little else now that all coachign staffs have the same access.

Goff is a reader of defenses and has shown he throws as hard as he needs to. Not sure the practice format gives him his best foot forward.

Lynch 'may' well show some things but I suspect his accuracy is suspect and if it is versus air he may wel last til round 2.

I just think they all 3 have more to lose than to gain.

Right now everyone is looking for excuses to knock guys down the board.