Bob Sturm's NFL draft profile series: Jalen Ramsey could come in and be the best player in the Cowbo

[BrAinPaiNt]

I am just putting the last part...Here is the link to the entire write up... http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...le-series-meet-jalen-ramsey-best-player-draft

Summary and Potential Fit For the Cowboys: For me, this is likely the best player in the draft. Position versatility, ability to come in and be the best player in the Cowboys secondary (regardless of which position it might be), and a 21-year old who looks like stardom in the NFL is not far away. Jalen Ramsey sure checks all of the boxes I would look for when you discuss things you are looking for in a Top 5 pick.

I am skeptical about whether he would be available for the Cowboys and whether the Cowboys would want to spend another 1st round pick on a defensive back, but it sure seems like if he is around at their pick that this player is the type you can feel great about. I am asked frequently where would he play if he were with the Cowboys, which is a question we still ask about Byron Jones. I think the Cowboys want Jones to be their full-time deep safety from here on out, which might put Ramsey as a box safety or as a corner. I am not that hung up on this question at the moment because I don't know the future of the personnel situation with Brandon Carr or even Mo Claiborne. But, I do know this: Zone or man, corner or safety, Jalen Ramsey is going to be the best defensive back on his team for a long, long time. And if that happens to be Dallas, then let's hope the coaches understand how to use his skill set properly and to maximize his ability. I think he is a star.

 

[TheFinisher]

Bob's right in that he's a player that checks all the boxes. If the team is committed to Byron Jones as a Safety then Ramsey makes a lot of sense in terms of need and fit, we have a big issue at CB with Scandrick coming off the injury, Carr's contract situation looming, and Claiborne as a FA.

 

[Macnalty]

I agree if we have no affinity with any of the QB's Ramsey should be near the top of the list, IMO Tunsil the LT is a better talent but a lesser need.
Top CB's that fit Dallas, J Ramsey, Briean Boddy Calhoun, William Jackson III, special mention Sean Davis Maryland.
Alexander and VH III fall behind these guys IMO

 

[Gaede]

Big fan of Sturm, can't help but notice his overuse of hyperbole lately.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Not at corner please!

 

[Killerinstinct]

Ramsey is no 1 target in the draft. Will he be there at 4? It depends.

 

[Direwolf63]

I heard the same stuff about Claiborne. He may be good, but he's no Deion Sanders. And that's how good you need to be to go #4.

 

[jterrell]

I have pretty much agreed with Sturm on every profile and this is no exception. --Hockey sucks tho Sturm! lol.

Ramsay looks like the most complete player in this draft.
He is the CB version of Demarcus Ware for me.

What that means is he has off the charts measurables for his prospective position and has had a lot of success in college but not necessarily as the specialist (shut down CB) you'd like. So you have to project him somewhat onto your team and way from freelance city.

Dallas needs a pass rushing DE bad, a future QB bad and a CB bad.
Right now my money would be on Ramsay, a trade down for Spence or the QB we deem most franchise-worthy.

Because I can make my QB decision (value not making the pick) fairly soon I have time to plan free agency around that expectation.

 

[Western]

At No. 4 selection, a team should evaluate players on their playmaking prowess and production in college.
3 Interceptions throughout his career as a secondary player at FSU is evidence of a lack of playmaking skills.

More than that if your scouting department is solid, drafting secondary players in later rounds with an equal amount of Ramsey's potential should exist (Richard Sherman, a 5th round pick, Kam Chancellor, a 5th round pick, Brent Grimes, an undrafted free agent, Chris Harris, Jr., an undrafted free agent, and Josh Norman, a 5th round pick - are all solid playmakers in the secondary).

Should be no debate, if either Wentz or Goff are available, the franchise QB trumps the CB/Safety position.
Goff's and Wentz's QB productions in college far exceed Ramsey's production at the CB position.

 

[Sydla]

I hate that a decision to select a kid like Ramsey has to be made in the context of Claiborne.

You should not let a past mistake dictate a decision you have to make now. If Ramsey is the best player on the board for us at 4 according to our board, you take him and dont let yourself be swayed by the fact Claiborne busted.

And FWIW - I don't think Claiborne was the athlete Ramsey is.

That doesnt' mean I'd take him at 4 for sure but I don't think they are exactly comparable players.

 

[jterrell]

Big fan of Sturm, can't help but notice his overuse of hyperbole lately.

He normally does profilesof players in the 20s or much lower. Those players have issues.
Though his reports on David DeCastro and Aaron Donald read as if he had been taking viagra also.

He sees and reports very good players are very good.

I'd imagine this is much like a teacher who grades semi-literate goofballs then gets to a handful of intense, interesting, well-written papers.

Watching the tape of Ramsay you see a guy jump off film. He is the kind of rare athlete Jack is but he also makes numerous big plays. When he gets in an area with the ball he makes a play on it. Outside technique stuff, it is hard to criticize Ramsay's work product playing a bunch of different spots for teams that won a lot of games.

 

[CATCH17]

I would go QB because if Romo goes down we can't win a game.. Our team is 100% QB dependent.. A corner doesn't change that.

If Dallas decides not to go QB then Ramsey has to be the pick unless you have the cajonies to take Noah Spence in the top 5.


Imo, Ramsey is the 2nd best player in the draft.

 

[jterrell]

At No. 4 selection, a team should evaluate players on their playmaking prowess and production in college.
3 Interceptions throughout his career as a secondary player at FSU is evidence of a lack of playmaking skills.

More than that if your scouting department is solid, drafting secondary players in later rounds with an equal amount of Ramsey's potential should exist (Richard Sherman, a 5th round pick, Kam Chancellor, a 5th round pick, Brent Grimes, an undrafted free agent, Chris Harris, Jr., an undrafted free agent, and Josh Norman, a 5th round pick - are all solid playmakers in the secondary).

Should be no debate, if either Wentz or Goff are available, the franchise QB trumps the CB/Safety position.
Goff's and Wentz's QB productions in college far exceed Ramsey's production at the CB position.

good college corners often do not have high INT totals.
teams do not throw at them.
but beyond that ramsay played everywhere and was seldom asked to just be a secondary guy.

ramsay had 5 sacks and 15.5 tackles for loss. he made big plays routinely.
he batted down numerous balls. he forced 4 fumbles and recovered 2 others.
he made more plays in run support than Jack.
and he went up and won jump balls a ton for passes defensed that would have been TDs versus lesser athletes.

he does have questionable hands.

sherman was a WR for 3 years at stanford. that's why he fell through the cracks.

chancellor was a massive strong safety/LB hybrid which is why he fell.
he fits in seattle because they have sherman and a top 10 pick and the best coverage safety in football with earl thomas.

but yes if you have a qb rated highly enough and they are available what other players rate really doesn't matter.
the curve you grade on has to elevate qb's or you are doing it wrong.

 

[kiheikiwi]

I heard the same stuff about Claiborne. He may be good, but he's no Deion Sanders. And that's how good you need to be to go #4.

Man, this will be an interesting first choice !
I don't think we should be comparing the Claiborne debacle to what we do now with Ramsey.
It has been said that Dallas only did a perfunctory assessment of Claiborne that year as they thought there was no way he would still be around. Yes they had a high grade on him, but nothing in the way of an in depth scouting report as they did not see the need, knowing he would be gone. As he slid a little (to # 6) they were surprised, and traded up. In my opinion wasting 2 valuable picks and setting themselves back. All due to not scouting the player thoroughly. (Good college talent, fragile ego).
I think they learned a valuable lesson from that. To leave no stone unturned. It's why they were ready to take Frederick, and then Martin, when their main targets those years were picked out from underneath them. And assuredly this year they will not make the same mistake. So if they do take Ramsey over a QB, or a LB'er etc. I will be less inclined to bemoan another high CB.
Claiborne is a lesson learned.
(Now, could they coach him properly ?) .....

 

[Gaede]

He normally does profilesof players in the 20s or much lower. Those players have issues.
Though his reports on David DeCastro and Aaron Donald read as if he had been taking viagra also.

He sees and reports very good players are very good.

I'd imagine this is much like a teacher who grades semi-literate goofballs then gets to a handful of intense, interesting, well-written papers.

Watching the tape of Ramsay you see a guy jump off film. He is the kind of rare athlete Jack is but he also makes numerous big plays. When he gets in an area with the ball he makes a play on it. Outside technique stuff, it is hard to criticize Ramsay's work product playing a bunch of different spots for teams that won a lot of games.

Well put, you make a convincing argument

 

[BAT]

good college corners often do not have high INT totals.
teams do not throw at them.
but beyond that ramsay played everywhere and was seldom asked to just be a secondary guy.

ramsay had 5 sacks and 15.5 tackles for loss. he made big plays routinely.
he batted down numerous balls. he forced 4 fumbles and recovered 2 others.
he made more plays in run support than Jack.
and he went up and won jump balls a ton for passes defensed that would have been TDs versus lesser athletes.

he does have questionable hands.

sherman was a WR for 3 years at stanford. that's why he fell through the cracks.

chancellor was a massive strong safety/LB hybrid which is why he fell.
he fits in seattle because they have sherman and a top 10 pick and the best coverage safety in football with earl thomas.

but yes if you have a qb rated highly enough and they are available what other players rate really doesn't matter.
the curve you grade on has to elevate qb's or you are doing it wrong.

Ramsey is too similar to Jones IMO. Both athletically off charts, both uber-versatile (almost TOO much position flex) and both lack playmaking production (not enough INTs). Jones had a nice rookie season but his play did not change the game. Steady but no big plays, no turnovers. Secondary as a whole actually played worse, again no turnovers.

If Ramsey is the pick, Jones needs to be a corner. Ramsey is the better safety. But neither guy inspires me much as a game changer, or Spags' term, a closer.

 

[reddyuta]

Not sure i agree but I imagine SD will be looking at him too.

 

[reddyuta]

Ramsey is too similar to Jones IMO. Both athletically off charts, both uber-versatile (almost TOO much position flex) and both lack playmaking production (not enough INTs). Jones had a nice rookie season but his play did not change the game. Steady but no big plays, no turnovers. Secondary as a whole actually played worse, again no turnovers.

If Ramsey is the pick, Jones needs to be a corner. Ramsey is the better safety. But neither guy inspires me much as a game changer, or Spags' term, a closer.

maybe they can play him at SS,he is more dangerous closer to the LOS.

 

[BAT]

maybe they can play him at SS,he is more dangerous closer to the LOS.

At 200 to 205 lbs, that seems extremely light to me for SS. You can get away with being that small in college but the NFL is for big boys, who can all run.

 

[pancakeman]

I heard the same stuff about Claiborne. He may be good, but he's no Deion Sanders. And that's how good you need to be to go #4.

Well that's a bit of an overstatement, isn't it? To be a secondary player worth a #4 pick you have to match maybe the greatest talent of all time at the position?