Brad Sham, "The Brian Waters deal is dead."

[burmafrd]

If indeed it is a money issue, then I do have an issue with it. They did the same thing with Holland, not like we are talking about a back breaking long term deal here, one season, show him the money.

I'm not losing sleep either way, but it does bother me that its money that keeps them from this transaction, especially when we are talking a 1 year deal.

Holland would have been better then either Bernie or Livings and could have been had for the price of either one. That was a big mistake last year.

 

[Alexander]

If indeed it is a money issue, then I do have an issue with it. They did the same thing with Holland, not like we are talking about a back breaking long term deal here, one season, show him the money.

I'm not losing sleep either way, but it does bother me that its money that keeps them from this transaction, especially when we are talking a 1 year deal.

What should bother you is that we were in the position to even debate spending money on a player who sat out a year in the first place.

It is inexcusable. We are not one of the teams that suffered a devastating injury to a starter. We suddenly realized our guards could not play and then tried to apply a bandaid.

Thankfully, both players either did not want to play or wanted too much money where even the Joneses had to back away from the table.

 

[Alexander]

not surprised. Jerruh feels like he got burned on both the Rivera and BIGG deals and does not want to pay much at all for a guard anymore.

I do not think that weighed into it at all if we were offering Waters a contract in the first place. You just don't try to coax a 36 year old guard out of retirement if you feel "burned" by previous screw ups.

 

[Zordon]

Yep I wouldn't be surprised one bit if this was a money issue. I said in the other thread that we were going to have to pay around 4M. The fact that we still have Livings and Bernie on the books is not going to let Jerry go that high. He'll just throw more coaching to fix his mess.

1 month before the season starts and you're begging linemen to come out of retirement. Does anybody else see how embarrassing this looks?

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Looks like the Cowboys are "settling" for Bernadeau at RG. I'm so tired of "settling" on the OL.

I don't really see it as settling. Bern has a lot of physical talent, unlike Arkin. I believe Arkin has a high enough football IQ and technique to be a legitimate starter in this league. But he's likely doomed because he doesn't have an NFL body or strength. Our OL looked very good in the last preseason game with a healthy Smith-Leary-Fred-Bern-Free. All signing Moore or Waters would've done was seal a leak for this season and this season alone, and leave us needing to draft a RG early next year. If Bern can be serviceable this year, we'll have a much more realistic idea of if and when we need to draft a RG next year.

I don't think this spells the end of the world. We still have 3 preseason games for Bernadeau to prove his worth. If, after those 3 games, we KNOW that RG will be a liability this season, we scour the waiver wire.

 

[TheSport78]

I don't really see it as settling. Bern has a lot of physical talent, unlike Arkin. I believe Arkin has a high enough football IQ and technique to be a legitimate starter in this league. But he's likely doomed because he doesn't have an NFL body or strength. Our OL looked very good in the last preseason game with a healthy Smith-Leary-Fred-Bern-Free. All signing Moore or Waters would've done was seal a leak for this season and this season alone, and leave us needing to draft a RG early next year. If Bern can be serviceable this year, we'll have a much more realistic idea of if and when we need to draft a RG next year.

I don't think this spells the end of the world. We still have 3 preseason games for Bernadeau to prove his worth. If, after those 3 games, we KNOW that RG will be a liability this season, we scour the waiver wire.

That's a big "if" pertaining to Bernadeau being a serviceable player. He's missed the majority of two straight offseason programs. He is by no means a proven player, so it's not like we know what we're getting with the guy. Bernadeau just seems to have serious durability issues and he's no help to the Cowboys if he can't stay on the field. One of the biggest issues with Dallas' OL in recent memory is the lack of continuity; there seems to be numerous moving parts and a lack of cohesion. Just frustrating stuff...

 

[dogunwo]

didnt understand all the waters love. Guy is old and didnt play all last year. Hes a injury waiting to happen.

Is Montrae Holland available?

 

[tantrix1969]

I would say

1. DL
2. TE
3. WR

3.WR/CB

 

[JoeyBoy718]

That's a big "if" pertaining to Bernadeau being a serviceable player. He's missed the majority of two straight offseason programs. He is by no means a proven player, so it's not like we know what we're getting with the guy. Bernadeau just seems to have serious durability issues and he's no help to the Cowboys if he can't stay on the field. One of the biggest issues with Dallas' OL in recent memory is the lack of continuity; there seems to be numerous moving parts and a lack of cohesion. Just frustrating stuff...

I agree that health has been the most frustrating thing, even more so than lack of talent. Our tackles, Smith and Free, have always been healthy. The problem is, they've been inconsistent from a production standpoint. As much as everyone loves Smith, he still has a lot of learning to do. Our interior OL, unlike our tackles, has been plagued by injuries. When healthy, they haven't been as bad as everyone is making them out to be. Unfortunately, we've been playing musical chairs with our interior OL because a different guy is injured every week.

 

[Idgit]

I agree that health has been the most frustrating thing, even more so than lack of talent. Our tackles, Smith and Free, have always been healthy. The problem is, they've been inconsistent from a production standpoint. As much as everyone loves Smith, he still has a lot of learning to do. Our interior OL, unlike our tackles, has been plagued by injuries. When healthy, they haven't been as bad as everyone is making them out to be. Unfortunately, we've been playing musical chairs with our interior OL because a different guy is injured every week.

It's the health thing that drives me batty. Even with a young player, like Kowalski, we can't keep them in the lineup.

 

[tantrix1969]

the way some justify the lack of attention paid to the oline is baffling, if we aren't in win now mode why on earth would we spend the money we did on franchising Spencer

 

[burmafrd]

That's a big "if" pertaining to Bernadeau being a serviceable player. He's missed the majority of two straight offseason programs. He is by no means a proven player, so it's not like we know what we're getting with the guy. Bernadeau just seems to have serious durability issues and he's no help to the Cowboys if he can't stay on the field. One of the biggest issues with Dallas' OL in recent memory is the lack of continuity; there seems to be numerous moving parts and a lack of cohesion. Just frustrating stuff...

if Bernie was so good as some here claim why has he never shown it?

 

[Risen Star]

the way some justify the lack of attention paid to the oline is baffling, if we aren't in win now mode why on earth would we spend the money we did on franchising Spencer

It's not a real belief or philosophy. They simply back anything the team does.

I don't know whether Waters had anything left but the thought of seeing these same stiffs at G another year is enough to make me roll the dice on the relic.

 

[BAZ]

So the Cowboys got blanked by two "retired" players this year. Ouch, not cool.

 

[Idgit]

It's not a real belief or philosophy. They simply back anything the team does.

I don't know whether Waters had anything left but the thought of seeing these same stiffs at G another year is enough to make me roll the dice on the relic.

This is so far from true, I don't even think you believe it. There's a world of difference between thinking something is and should be a low priority and thinking anything the team does is ok.

And the stiffs we're trotting out at OG are 50% different this year, so that should make you feel half-way better than you did when you posted this. Isn't that good news?

 

[CATCH17]

A crossing route!!!

 

[CATCH17]

Fumble.. Crap

 

[DCBoysfan]

Yup, and the same people screaming to sign him will be the same ones slamming Jerry for overpaying for an over the hill guard when he's injured or doesn't play well..

I want to second this statement .

 

[Zordon]

I don't think this spells the end of the world. We still have 3 preseason games for Bernadeau to prove his worth. If, after those 3 games, we KNOW that RG will be a liability this season, we scour the waiver wire.

That's an unacceptable strategy. This did not sneak up on us and this is not a team that is rebuilding. This team is primed to win now and we saw firsthand how that oline destroyed our whole season last year.

the way some justify the lack of attention paid to the oline is baffling, if we aren't in win now mode why on earth would we spend the money we did on franchising Spencer

There are some here who are not in touch with the reality that this team's window is closing fast. After this year we might lose Ratliff, Spencer, Miles, and/or Hatcher due to Steven Jones salary cap mess.

 

[TwoDeep3]

And the stiffs we're trotting out at OG are 50% different this year, so that should make you feel half-way better than you did when you posted this. Isn't that good news?

To your first point there are fans that think those who question are haters. So why would it not be exactly the same on the other side. That there are some of us who believe there are fans who accept every move by this team and echo the low priority mantra because that is what the management of this team thinks?

I will not be please until they put a line up that can practice ball control and clock management by keeping the other teams defense on the field.

The best defense is an offense that hogs the ball for most of the game. That comes from a line that can dominate.