Brad Sham, "The Brian Waters deal is dead."

[cowboys1985]

http://m.nbcsports.com/content/brian-waters-will-play-if-he-finds-right-situation

Between Brad Sham's report and this....seems like a lot of posturing by both sides to get the $ at their price. Should be interesting, I still think Water's will be a Cowboy come opening day.

 

[Corso]

This is good news

I don't necessarily disagree. Was that a double-negative?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I would think if another "starting" guard was going to be brought in it would be happening today.

 

[ragman]

I don't think Waters is coming here because he and his agent want more than the Cowboys are willing to give. Keep in mind that while the Cowboys are about $10 million under the salary cap, they still have to work out a deal with Lee this season, and Carter, Dez, and Smith for next season. The money under the NFL CBA only goes so far.

 

[cowboys2233]

http://m.nbcsports.com/content/brian-waters-will-play-if-he-finds-right-situation

Between Brad Sham's report and this....seems like a lot of posturing by both sides to get the $ at their price. Should be interesting, I still think Water's will be a Cowboy come opening day.

It's an interesting problem. I agree that they shouldn't overpay for a guy. At the same time, what if they did ultimately get Waters at their asking price? Do you then have a disgruntled player who doesn't put forth full effort because he is pissed that he was underpaid by the team? Hopefully not, you would think a guy like that would be a professional under any circumstances, particularly one who seemingly has a strong, potentially HOF, reputation to consider.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

It's an interesting problem. I agree that they shouldn't overpay for a guy. At the same time, what if they did ultimately get Waters at their asking price? Do you then have a disgruntled player who doesn't put forth full effort because he is pissed that he was underpaid by the team? Hopefully not, you would think a guy like that would be a professional under any circumstances, particularly one who seemingly has a strong, potentially HOF, reputation to consider.

I think they have wisely walked away from this opportunity and are not looking back. Yes, the guy could have helped but, as the as the Patriots determined before, he is not worth the baggage.

This guy sounds like a head case more than anything and he is not the RKG. I'd make him beg for a job if I were Jerry.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Pass.

 

[burmafrd]

I think they have wisely walked away from this opportunity and are not looking back. Yes, the guy could have helped but, as the as the Patriots determined before, he is not worth the baggage.

This guy sounds like a head case more than anything and he is not the RKG. I'd make him beg for a job if I were Jerry.

Do a little research before you call anyone a head case. But then I doubt you will

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Do a little research before you call anyone a head case. But then I doubt you will

Wow. The pot just called me black. Good one.

You do not need to conduct any research to determine that this guy has no interest in being part of something greater than himself. If he plays for anyone it would only be for himself. So, just maybe, he is selfish and not a head case. My bad. Either way he is a not a good fit for this, or any other team.

 

[cowboys2233]

Wow. The pot just called me black. Good one.

You do not need to conduct any research to determine that this guy has no interest in being part of something greater than himself. If he plays for anyone it would only be for himself. So, just maybe, he is selfish and not a head case. My bad. Either way he is a not a good fit for this, or any other team.

Can't agree on this. Something greater than himself? A guy should not be looked down on simply because he's trying to maximize the amount of money he gets. But if it's the difference between making $2 million playing for your home team or playing hardball for $3 million and ultimately winding up with nothing, I would argue that he is not maximizing the amount of money he gets for the amount of work needed. Clearly, there is a a game of chicken going on here -- I think both parties will wind up giving in a little and he'll be here soon.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Can't agree on this. Something greater than himself? A guy should not be looked down on simply because he's trying to maximize the amount of money he gets. But if it's the difference between making $2 million playing for your home team or playing hardball for $3 million and ultimately winding up with nothing, I would argue that he is not maximizing the amount of money he gets for the amount of work needed. Clearly, there is a a game of chicken going on here -- I think both parties will wind up giving in a little and he'll be here soon.

Absolutely! There comes a time, though, in any negotiation when you have to determine whether the compromise is worth it. I think the Cowboys are done negotiating. Shame, too, because they could have used Waters right away.

 

[cowboys2233]

Absolutely! There comes a time, though, in any negotiation when you have to determine whether the compromise is worth it. I think the Cowboys are done negotiating. Shame, too, because they could have used Waters right away.

Nah, both Jerry and Waters' representation totally left the door open. If they were done, they would have said so. Jerry "not wanting to close the door" and Waters' "still willing to play if right situation presents itself" is not definitive by any stretch. Just hard negotiating stances, is all. They're both trying to convince themselves that the other party wants and needs them more than they need the other party. Giving up on a guard of Waters' quality, particularly when it is such a position of need, is a hard pill to swallow. Likewise, the Cowboys present the perfect opportunity for Waters, home team, contender, the most visible team in the league. And even if it's not what he wants, a couple millions dollars for six months of work is hard to turn down under any circumstances.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Nah, both Jerry and Waters' representation totally left the door open. If they were done, they would have said so. Jerry "not wanting to close the door" and Waters' "still willing to play if right situation presents itself" is not definitive by any stretch. Just hard negotiating stances, is all. They're both trying to convince themselves that the other party wants and needs them more than they need the other party. Giving up on a guard of Waters' quality, particularly when it is such a position of need, is a hard pill to swallow. Likewise, the Cowboys present the perfect opportunity for Waters, home team, contender, the most visible team in the league. And even if it's not what he wants, a couple millions dollars for six months of work is hard to turn down under any circumstances.

I like your positive approach. I'm not so optimistic but I hope you are right.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Absolutely! There comes a time, though, in any negotiation when you have to determine whether the compromise is worth it. I think the Cowboys are done negotiating. Shame, too, because they could have used Waters right away.

In my experience, most deals are finalized soon after one side declares that they are "done negotiating."

 

[cowboys2233]

I like your positive approach. I'm not so optimistic but I hope you are right.

Me too, he would give us tremendous flexibility. This can either be a win-win or a lose-lose. Again, $2 million for six months of work is pretty darn good. If the parties don't come to an agreement, the Cowboys are definitely a lesser team with much less flexibility, particularly if, heaven forbid, we have more injuries on the offensive line. At the same time, I think this is Waters' last chance to get significant guaranteed money -- he is able to do so after taking a year off only because he was so good prior to that. But two years? It's amazing how quickly the league can forget about you. Two years out and he's done for good.

 

[gdogg24]

I said we we're good before Leary got hurt but after he got knee surgery I was a little skeptical but after seeing Arkin I think we'll be ok