Brady Pay Cut - Time To Push All In in 2015

[burmafrd]

The links I shared clearly show his base salary goes way up and that his cap hit goes up a little. The only way he makes less from the Patriots is if/when they cut him. If he plays he is getting paid as much as he was before.

bknight is a romo hater and brady lover; so his garbage is expected. He got owned seven different ways already in this thread

 

[AbeBeta]

How is that? The value of an NFL team is going to rise in my opinion. I thought read where the Cowboys made something like $300M profit last year on $560M revenue. That ain't no luxury investment. The Cowboys are worth $3.2B. The Bills just sold for $1.2B. The Bills owner could easily sell the team tomorrow to a group in LA for double.

http://www.forbes.com/teams/dallas-cowboys/

You cant point to the more highly profitable franchises as any sort of example as they aren't for sale. Owner are rich and have other major sources of income. Where is that cash gonna come from for Brady and his wife in 5 years? Nowhere. He would likely not even pass the first round of ownership discussions unless he had major investors tied to him

 

[AbeBeta]

It is if he made more last year.

Everyone said he would never play for the 3 yr 24m extension when he signed it, but now that he is, no one gives him any credit for giving up salary.

Right. He was scheduled to make 1 mill less this year than his new contract awards. That's a paycut on planet Bknight but not here in reality

 

[AbeBeta]

He was coming off a 5yr/78m deal he signed in 2010 and is now on a 3 yr/27m deal. That's 15m to 9m any way you pay it.

The remaining money on that 5 year deal was 24 mill paid from 2015-2017.

He is now earning 27 mill from 2015-2017. All of the other money going into that big number you cite was signing bonus.

He ends up with the total value of this 2013-2017 contact being (using your #s) 5 years, 81 mill.

You do understand that 81 is more than 78, right?

 

[Nightman]

The remaining money on that 5 year deal was 24 mill paid from 2015-2017.

He is now earning 27 mill from 2015-2017. All of the other money going into that big number you cite was signing bonus.

He ends up with the total value of this 2013-2017 contact being (using your #s) 5 years, 81 mill.

You do understand that 81 is more than 78, right?

You are 100% wrong about his 5yr/78m deal. It really was a 4yr/72m deal, but reported as a 5 yr deal to include 2010

2015-17 was a completely new deal in 2013 and is for 27m, which is 9m a year and a serious pay cut

 

[Nightman]

bknight is a romo hater and brady lover; so his garbage is expected. He got owned seven different ways already in this thread

You don't know me, if you did you would never call me a Romo hater

Please stay away from the adult table when we are doing math

Your chicken fingers are getting cold

 

[Nightman]

Right. He was scheduled to make 1 mill less this year than his new contract awards. That's a paycut on planet Bknight but not here in reality

You obviously have trouble with reading as well. The title of the post is from an article from 2013 when Brady signed his NEW 3yr extension

His latest restructure added 1m to his scheduled salaries in 2015-17 which were well below league average and a tremendous pay cut from his previous contract.

 

[joseephuss]

You are 100% wrong about his 5yr/78m deal. It really was a 4yr/72m deal, but reported as a 5 yr deal to include 2010

2015-17 was a completely new deal in 2013 and is for 27m, which is 9m a year and a serious pay cut

It is not a completely new deal. Each of his contract extensions he has signed(2010, 2013 and present) are all related and intertwined. It is a way of moving cap hits around and in this most current case freeing up cash flow.

 

[AbeBeta]

You obviously have trouble with reading as well. The title of the post is from an article from 2013 when Brady signed his NEW 3yr extension

His latest restructure added 1m to his scheduled salaries in 2015-17 which were well below league average and a tremendous pay cut from his previous contract.

His present deal had 1 mill added to each year. End of story. Just admit you are wrong and people might respect you a tiny bit

 

[Nightman]

His present deal had 1 mill added to each year. End of story. Just admit you are wrong and people might respect you a tiny bit

His present deal which doesn't even start until 2015????

If I made 100K for the past 5 years and my boss said that if I wanted to keep my job I had to take 50K for the next 3 years that would be a pay cut

Before the new deal started my boss said he made a mistake and I would be making 60k instead of 50k for the next 3 years.

Would you consider that a raise???? I know I wouldn't. It would just be a smaller pay cut.

 

[AbeBeta]

His present deal which doesn't even start until 2015????

If I made 100K for the past 5 years and my boss said that if I wanted to keep my job I had to take 50K for the next 3 years that would be a pay cut

Before the new deal started my boss said he made a mistake and I would be making 60k instead of 50k for the next 3 years.

Would you consider that a raise???? I know I wouldn't. It would just be a smaller pay cut.

His old deal had him earning 6 mill in 2015. His new deal has him earning 7 mill.

Get a freaking grip

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Romo took 17m a year when other top QBs are getting 20m+. It was 25m signing bonus and 55m guaranteed.

His guarantees run out after next season, so that's 38m that has already been accounted for and 17m for 2015.

Yeah but people aren't handing out 54 million guaranteed is what i'm saying. Guaranteed money is what these players truly look at when signing with a team. Wasn't the rumored deal for Dez slated to be a bunch of money but like 12 million guaranteed?

 

[EST_1986]

His present deal which doesn't even start until 2015????

If I made 100K for the past 5 years and my boss said that if I wanted to keep my job I had to take 50K for the next 3 years that would be a pay cut

Before the new deal started my boss said he made a mistake and I would be making 60k instead of 50k for the next 3 years.

Would you consider that a raise???? I know I wouldn't. It would just be a smaller pay cut.

Your scenario isn't what happened to Brady.

 

[Nightman]

His old deal had him earning 6 mill in 2015. His new deal has him earning 7 mill.

Get a freaking grip

And he made 16.5m in 2013 and in 2014

Don't need any more grip, you are just being obtuse

 

[AbeBeta]

And he made 16.5m in 2013 and in 2014

Don't need any more grip, you are just being obtuse

You are taking his signing bonus of 30 mill and applying it only to the first 2 years of his deal rather than the entire length of it.

I expect that is intentionally wrong math.

 

[Nightman]

You are taking his signing bonus of 30 mill and applying it only to the first 2 years of his deal rather than the entire length of it.

I expect that is intentionally wrong math.

He was due 30m for 2013 and 2014 according to his contract signed in 2010. They added 3m to it for restructuring and helping with the cap

I don't know why or how you refuse to see that the 3 yr 24m extension he signed in Feb of 2013 was new and real and is well below league average

 

[AbeBeta]

He was due 30m for 2013 and 2014 according to his contract signed in 2010. They added 3m to it for restructuring and helping with the cap

I don't know why or how you refuse to see that the 3 yr 24m extension he signed in Feb of 2013 was new and real and is well below league average

He received a 30 million dollar signing bonus in 2013. He had a 1 million dollar salary that year. He got 31 mill in 2013.

By your "reasoning" he took a MASSIVE paycut in 2014 when he played for 2 million.

His deal called for salaries of 7, 8, and 9 mill for 2015-2017. Those salaries are - again using your obtuse logic - all raises over the 2 mill he earned in 2014.

His new deal (which is actually just a restructure of his current deal) gives him salaries of 8, 9, and 10 mill for 2015-2017. So over the course of the 5 year period that he originally signed for, he now earns 3 mill more.

You can call that deal way below league average - but that's only if you totally ignore the SB. He's earning 60 mill over 5 years. That's a favorable deal for the Patriots, but this new deal in no way makes that so - the original deal was below average. It's 12 mill a year over the 5 year period.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Most of you people don't read the entire thread. You read the OP and then comment. I have been told off quite a few times in this thread that he did not take a pay cut. I posted on page two an update, which detailed the fact that Brady was not the point.

I guess you fol;ks still harping on Brady didn't get the updated notes.

This is about the window of opportunity this team - Dallas, because if i don't indicate that, some of you will be off and running with this being about New England - and Dallas having the potential of making a run over a couple of years if Dallas pushes all in.

Couldn't have said it better, despite the thread getting off track a bit. I believe we have to do whatever it takes and if that includes hampering us down the road with the cap so be it.

We could have the greatest offensive line in the NFL.
We could have a great draft and have a top five or ten defense.
The front office and player personnel could be solid.
Garrett and the coaches could continue to be outstanding.

But without the quarterback - you're spinning your wheels. I'm not saying we won't get lucky and find our guy or bring somebody in who could drive the bus, but I'm in Buffalo right now and they are completely screwed. Super Bowl caliber defense, good skill position players and they are in a great cap situation, but they missed on a first round quarterback pick, the back up retires and the coach left because he saw the handwriting on the wall.

 

[Nightman]

Couldn't have said it better, despite the thread getting off track a bit. I believe we have to do whatever it takes and if that includes hampering us down the road with the cap so be it.

We could have the greatest offensive line in the NFL.
We could have a great draft and have a top five or ten defense.
The front office and player personnel could be solid.
Garrett and the coaches could continue to be outstanding.

But without the quarterback - you're spinning your wheels. I'm not saying we won't get lucky and find our guy or bring somebody in who could drive the bus, but I'm in Buffalo right now and they are completely screwed. Super Bowl caliber defense, good skill position players and they are in a great cap situation, but they missed on a first round quarterback pick, the back up retires and the coach left because he saw the handwriting on the wall.

The Brady talk was to show that sometimes players do give some back to help the team. We know about Brady, Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki as a few examples.

Romo and TSmith both left money on the table to help the team.

Dez and Murray should do the same if they want to stay in Dallas and compete for multiple years. I'm not saying they HAVE to, but if they want to go for every last dollar or be the "highest paid" then Dallas should move on. The Pats have stayed relevant because they have made the hard decisions on cuts, drafted well and convinced some vets to play for less.

With the rollover from this year, the annual increase in the cap, restructuring Romo and cuts to Carr, Free, Bern and Melton, Dallas could be well over 40m under the cap next year. They would have a lot of holes to fill and plenty of FAs, but 40-50m under the cap allows for everyone to be signed.

Keep(approx cap hit)
Dez 8m
Murray 4m
RoMclain 4m
Carter 3m
Spencer 3m
Parnell 3m

RFAs
Leary, Beasely, Moore- 6-8m

Draft DE, DT, S and OT
UFAs DE, DT, S and OT

 

[burmafrd]

The Brady talk was to show that sometimes players do give some back to help the team. We know about Brady, Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki as a few examples.

Romo and TSmith both left money on the table to help the team.

Dez and Murray should do the same if they want to stay in Dallas and compete for multiple years. I'm not saying they HAVE to, but if they want to go for every last dollar or be the "highest paid" then Dallas should move on. The Pats have stayed relevant because they have made the hard decisions on cuts, drafted well and convinced some vets to play for less.

With the rollover from this year, the annual increase in the cap, restructuring Romo and cuts to Carr, Free, Bern and Melton, Dallas could be well over 40m under the cap next year. They would have a lot of holes to fill and plenty of FAs, but 40-50m under the cap allows for everyone to be signed.

Keep(approx cap hit)
Dez 8m
Murray 4m
RoMclain 4m
Carter 3m
Spencer 3m
Parnell 3m

RFAs
Leary, Beasely, Moore- 6-8m

Draft DE, DT, S and OT
UFAs DE, DT, S and OT

you a closet masochist or something? You love getting owned?